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Holden Caulfield
5th April 2008, 08:18
after many massages of debate that were logical my german cappie friend has resorted to


yes, education is free in some conutries, e.g. here in Germany:) people who belong to lower class have the possibility to study, butthey dont do it, as they saw bad example of their parents and surrounding:) not many of them decide to go out of that circle of powerty:) bt, as I said, if they decide study, they would have no problems wit paying for the educaton

why do you think wealth is limited? from the economic point of view, ressources are imited, and not wealth:) if wealth was limited, we would still live in the Middle Ages:) and why should the riches gove their wealth away? if somebody is poor, IT'S HIS OWN FAULT, and not the fault of the riches:) may be, he/she is too stupid or too lazy to become rich, that's his problem:) laying own problems on the others' shoulders is typical for commies, I know, but that doest work:)

Hegal, Trotsky etc. and their opinion are not very persuasive for me: people who are considered to be "great" by some sociaty circles, usually make even more mistakes than the average citizens:)

what you wrore about the workers, is inhuman:) of course, it's ok to fire them or give them less wages if they dont work - punishment is sometimes necessary:) but where are the benefits? people must get benefits if they accomplish their work well:) otherwise, they're like slaves, who were beaten if they didnt work hard enough:) nobody will accept such idea, and nobody would vote for it, quite logical:)

ussr pissed money for nukes and army, but not only for this:) e.g. a bread in ussr costed about 0.05 rubel, deep below the costs of production, at that time people were feeding their pigs with the bread:) similar thing with other foods:) ussr wanted to show, how "great" their accomplishments were (low prices), so that it slod goods under their costs of production, gave all the people work places, and as nobody wanted to work there, and the goods were sold over many years, one day ussr had no more money to play socialismus:)

I am not sure that the trade embargo is the reason of Cuba's powerty:) the most common reasons of powerty are mentality and political system:)


this is almost too retarded for me to comprehend, people are poor coz they just dont want to be,

any FACTs i can shoot him down with, i can own him with the theory side but he is a retard, i have no idea why he used all the smilies

Bud Struggle
5th April 2008, 16:16
Originally Posted by ;

yes, education is free in some conutries, e.g. here in Germany people who belong to lower class have the possibility to study, but they dont do it, as they saw bad example of their parents and surrounding not many of them decide to go out of that circle of powerty bt, as I said, if they decide study, they would have no problems wit paying for the educaton
I have no problem with this.



why do you think wealth is limited? from the economic point of view, ressources are imited, and not wealth if wealth was limited, we would still live in the Middle Ages and why should the riches gove their wealth away? if somebody is poor, IT'S HIS OWN FAULT, and not the fault of the riches may be, he/she is too stupid or too lazy to become rich, that's his problem laying own problems on the others' shoulders is typical for commies, I know, but that doest work.
I have no problem with this.


Hegal, Trotsky etc. and their opinion are not very persuasive for me: people who are considered to be "great" by some sociaty circles, usually make even more mistakes than the average citizens
OK, Maybe.


what you wrore about the workers, is inhuman of course, it's ok to fire them or give them less wages if they dont work - punishment is sometimes necessary but where are the benefits? people must get benefits if they accomplish their work well otherwise, they're like slaves, who were beaten if they didnt work hard enough nobody will accept such idea, and nobody would vote for it, quite logical
Probably right. Sometimes you give benefits with a job sometimes you don't. It depends on the value of the work the people do.


ussr pissed money for nukes and army, but not only for this.g. a bread in ussr costed about 0.05 rubel, deep below the costs of production, at that time people were feeding their pigs with the bread similar thing with other foods ussr wanted to show, how "great" their accomplishments were (low prices), so that it slod goods under their costs of production, gave all the people work places, and as nobody wanted to work there, and the goods were sold over many years, one day ussr had no more money to play socialismus.
Definitely right--SU had too many guns and not enough butter.


I am not sure that the trade embargo is the reason of Cuba's powerty the most common reasons of powerty are mentality and political system.
Bingo! Right again.

Dros
5th April 2008, 18:30
This guy is clearly an idiot.

Why bother?

Holden Caulfield
5th April 2008, 18:37
up to now they have made sensible albeit wrong arguments, and now i am faced with this,

me thinks they have lost the debate and are flailing around dying ideologically with this shitty comeback,

i hope i have destroyed thier views,

this message is one of many many many messages that sprung from a youtube comment, lol, to youtube and convert!

Bud Struggle
6th April 2008, 01:08
up to now they have made sensible albeit wrong arguments, and now i am faced with this,

me thinks they have lost the debate and are flailing around dying ideologically with this shitty comeback,

i hope i have destroyed thier views,

this message is one of many many many messages that sprung from a youtube comment, lol, to youtube and convert!

Indeed!!

With your wit and charm and full knowledge of all things Communism you have devastated their argument. As Marx would have said: "Well done my good and faithful servant!"

RedAnarchist
6th April 2008, 01:12
This guy is clearly an idiot.

Why bother?

Most people can be convinced if you give them enough facts and always refute any arguments they make. Even this guy.

Dros
6th April 2008, 01:37
Most people can be convinced if you give them enough facts and always refute any arguments they make. Even this guy.

I have found, that even after "winning" all arguments with cappies, even when they admit I'm right, they usually just shrug and walk away. Most people choose not to be Communists even when they know that Communism is correct.

That's not to say I'm against dialogue, especially with intelligent cappies. I just think we should try and do things in a way that is effective and will accomplish something. Debating with idiots is none of that.