The primacy of the social in Marx's communism - ''lenin'' ge

[peaccenicked]

" Communism is the positive supersession of private property as human self-estrangement, and hence the true appropriation of the human essence through and for man; it is the complete restoration of man to himself as a social -- i.e., human -- being, a restoration which has become conscious and which takes place within the entire wealth of previous periods of development. This communism, as fully developed naturalism, equals humanism, and as fully developed humanism equals naturalism; it is the genuine resolution of the conflict between man and nature, and between man and man, the true resolution of the conflict between existence and being, between objectification and self-affirmation, between freedom and necessity, between individual and species. It is the solution of the riddle of history and knows itself to be the solution.''EPS section 3
Private property here is only seen as an element of the wider social question.



(Edited by peaccenicked at 5:41 am on June 7, 2002)

[El Che]

You can not have a "genuine resolution of the conflict between man and man" while there subsists race prejudice, hence the logical conclusion one arrives at, is that Marxism and racism are mutualy exclusive.

[peaccenicked]

Listening Stalinists
Moreover, the resolution of the conflict, takes place between man on all levels and one is cultural and the associated question of matters of conscience.

[lenin]

what the fuck are you going on about now peacenicked? man, your posts are boring!!!! if your doubting my views on marx's social views, go to 'marx;s social views' in this forum.

[peaccenicked]

You don't need to plead dumd. That you exude more than any capi here.
You have plain stated that communism is economic and played down the social. Are you in some sort of denial?
Please let me hear more of your ARROGANT STUPIDITY
AND SPREADING OF LIES.

[lenin]

again, read my post 'marxs social views'. if we were to take marxs social views into a communist society, it would be racist and anti-semitic. but if we only take his economic views, social equality will eventually happen. understand?

[peaccenicked]

You are lying about Marx's views.
Quote in context,show why you why can make these outrageous claims.
I have read Marx. You seem to have only heard from Stalinists.
Until you do that you should sit in the bath.

[lenin]

you dumb fucking idiot!!! how am i lying???? and you say i sound like a nazi denying the holocaust??? you sound like a fucking kid who found out santa doesn't exist!!!!! read the letter from karl marx to frederick engels dated 30th July 1862. read nathanials wehy book 'karl marx:racist'. all the quotes i put were real and i have stated sources. how can you call someone a jewish nigger and it be taken out of context?

[peaccenicked]

A racist comment in a private letter, is certainly damning but out of all the works, You choose this funny that.
It proves you have not read nearly anything of Marx's social views, and have just scratched the surface for dirt.
Fucked up moron that you are.

[lenin]

it wasn't just a racist comment in a private letter! read many of marx's letters to newspapers and you will find he berates several races. this is not because he thinks he is superior, but he blames them for there failing to overthrow bougoeis regimes. he especially didn't like the poles and spoke of a greater german empire over the 'rabble' (his word) of the east. he felt a succeful german revolution should be exported abroad.
why would i make this up? engels called for the destruction of slav babarians, i am slavic! i have nothing to gain from this at all.

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from lenin on 4:06 pm on June 7, 2002
what the fuck are you going on about now peacenicked? man, your posts are boring!!!! if your doubting my views on marx's social views, go to 'marx;s social views' in this forum.


WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MARX'S SOCIAL VIEWS! WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SOCIAL VIEWS OF THE MARXIST THEORY!

[peaccenicked]

There aspects of Marx's work which are nothern Euro-centric and there is some errors in his work that reflect German nationalism. However the whole body of his work goes against the grain of these errors. No one would call themselves Marxist if this was not the case.
You seem to want to raise these errors to the level of principle. The whole spirit of Marx is humanistic in general, profoundly so.
If you were a communist you would know this.