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Crest
4th April 2008, 06:25
Well here it is again. I think chapter one's a bit smaller, but at least it's not a primitivist rag any more. Here inclosed in Chapter I of the Genticus Manuscript, Latin for the National Manuscript. It's going to be longer, and its overall purpose is to diagnose and offer a cure for the spreading "disease" of Class Transition.


Chapter I - Class Transition explained

Throughout all of history leading up to the present 21st-Century Economy, there has always been such a thing as class struggle. Back in the days of old, there were the slaves and the masters, and there continues to be today, in the form of the Oppressor, the Bourgeoisie and the Oppressed, the Proletariat.

Unfortunately, today, things are slightly more complicated than they were in the days of Karl Marx. As it becomes harder and harder to define people as proletariates or bourgeois, more and more are becoming simultaneously oppressive and oppressed. In effect, this takes almost everyone out of the position of Bourgeoisie and out of Proletariat, into the Middle Class.

Why is this, however? It's a general scenario of what the end result will be, and already is beginning to become, of class conflict. You see, the harder the proletariots try too escape oppression, the more successful they will become in this mission. However, because this is happening without the destruction of the burgeois, they will lose power sure, but continue to oppress... And they will be oppressed by the group that was once made up of proletariots, and in result, the burgeois will continue to oppress the proletariots for their own survival.

This scenario is ultimate Total Middle Class, where everyone has fallen due to capitalism. In this case, oppression is everywhere and nobody is without worry. The only hope against this, in the very near future, is communism. Revolution must be sprung very soon, bringing us to Socialism (which mostly elliminates class conflict), and swift change to Communism (which totally elliminates class conflict).

However, it is my fear that Middle Class, even with transition of state power, will remain just that. Middle Class. Old enemies will continue to oppress each other. Even second generation people may remain in this toiled existance due to the tradition of hatred... and we'd have to wait it out for Middle Class to be as abolished as proletariot and burgeoisie. How long? Multiple generations, very likely. Perhaps as much as ten generations would the feud rage on, steadily losing more and more grip... Until Middle Class is ended by the system, in favor of what was sought in the first place: Classless Society.

As good as this optimistic image is, I don't believe it would be in society's best interest to wait it out. By the time ten generations passes, we'll likely have blown each other up. You accuse me of believing the ex-proletariats or the ex-burgeois would send nuclear warheads at each other? I plead guilty!

But now, how do you bring about the end of classes? As I've said before here, transition to socialism, and then to communism. How do you go about doing this? Well, in two steps. First of all there is to attempt peaceful reform. When this fails, and it will, you must take up arms against the government and change it yourself!
A responce to the old thread, and my responce to it:


I somewhat agree on this phenom that you mention, were a great number of people are both opressed and opressors, but I belive this is only in the first world contries, in third world countries the vast majority of people are just opressed and not opresors.
Yes, (I'm assuming we're speaking in the Maoist sense of Three Worlds Theory) true as this is, it won't be true indefinitly. The thing is, Class Transition is occuring there, too. Not as quickly, mind you, but it's still happening, and in the not overly too distant future we may be seeing Middle Class in those countries, something it's already not hard to imagine.

Die Neue Zeit
4th April 2008, 06:31
^^^ Either you're too philosophical there or you haven't grasped the Marxist approach to class well enough. You are posing a good remark here, though:


Unfortunately, today, things are slightly more complicated than they were in the days of Karl Marx. As it becomes harder and harder to define people as proletarians or bourgeois, more and more are becoming simultaneously oppressive and oppressed.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/simplification-class-relations-t73419/index.html

Crest
4th April 2008, 06:53
Probably both, despite all ^_^

And, uh, what point did you fail to make in having me read your article?

Die Neue Zeit
4th April 2008, 07:01
^^^ I didn't fail to make a point. I wanted to show in painstaking detail how modern capitalism has actually complicated class relations rather than simplified them. :)

Crest
4th April 2008, 07:07
Oh, gotcha.
Ok, well, the last quarter of the article did seem to suggest it, yes, but I'd like to point out that collectively speeking, a good percent of what you described could still fit a different "sects" of Proletariat and Bourgeois, which could still be, allowing room for your though process, quickly rushing towards Middle Class. You have shown me very little that I didn't already percieve the possibility of.