Stalinists - The more I talk to them, the more they seem all

[Moskitto]

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[Capitalist Imperial]

A different version of the same oppressive, freedom robbing, initiative dampening, thought controlling, destiny stealing system.

[Moskitto]

but i'm talking about the Stalinists as people, not their politics. This should really include capitalists as well.

[lenin]

good that you are coming round moskito! i have noticed you seem less swayed by the bourgeois arguments of de panama etc. the stalinists on this site are much more educated than most liberals. most liberals on this site are simply rebelling against the norm. if you are a true leftist, as you get older, you will lean towards stalinism. whereas most of the liberals on this site will lean towards the democrats or the labour party.

[RGacky3]

I think that many of the liberals are just too stuborn to accept the stalinists, most of the stalinists have nothing against the liberals, they think all stalinists are fascist killers which is not true, they are communists just like the liberals.

[Edelweiss]

lenin, the opposite of what you are saying is the truth. Most people are Stalinists (or Nazis) when they are young. It's just a pubertal thing to piss parents, teachers (or other leftists on a BB :)) off I think. I never have met anyone who became a Stalnists as a sign of wisdom!

[lenin]

i would have to disagree malte. i am 20, but both my parents are stalnists so i have no reason to piss them off. (in russia anyway) most youngsters start out as idealistc communists, but as they grow older and mroe cynical, they drift closer to stalinism. stalinism is more like conservative communism in russia. the passionate youngsters are national bolsheviks or trotskyists. of course, they will vote for kprf when they grow older.

[Nateddi]

My views regarding stalinism never changed. I am not a hardline stalinism-crusader, as many people are on the forum. I had more respect for them than anyone else on this forum, especially for yuri. lenin is a bit too racist for me though ;)

[STALINSOLDIERS]

yep rgacky3 is a cool person....even though hes not a liberal but hes cool..

[lenin]

"lenin is a bit too racist for me though"

what did leonid say when he said that to you?

also, i wouldn't call leonid a stalinist. he is a leninist more than anything. he is a big supporter of Yuri Andropov who wanted to return the USSR to some form of leninism. he is maybe a stalin sympathiser and he wouldn't atack stalin like some of you would, but he is no stalinist.

[STALINSOLDIERS]

comrade lenin do you mean lenoid breznev one of the soviet leader...

[lenin]

no sorry i meant leonid my uncle (yuri).

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

I respect you because, like myself, you are authoritarian but how can you worship such a leader as Stalin? I've heard your argument s but would you really like to live under stalins rule?

People should not fear their government.

[James]

I would refuse to live under any totalitarian government. They all work on the same principle.

Heres a quote from a book i've nearly finished, about this guy that was 20 odd in germany around 1930. It displays my fears exactly...

The Nazis made..."a whole nation into a pack of hunting hounds directed against humans".

And another quote is "Without general elections, without unrestricted freedom of press and assembly, without a free struggle of opinion, life dies out in every public institution, becomes a mere semblance of life, in which only the bureaucracy remains as the active element."

Both quotes apply.

James

[Anarcho]

The problem I've seen with Stalinists is that most of them are convinced that they would be left alone and happy in a Stalinist regime.

The problem would arise when a change of power happened, and a new leader came in with different enemies.

Example: What happens when the new leader of the Restored Stalinist State (fictional state) who used to persecute the Jewish folks suddenly decides that the Jews are fine, but he's worried about folks that have family outside the country?

The persecutions within Stalinist regimes vary according to the whims of the leader. That is one of the biggest problems, as I see it.

[Natalenko]

(in russia anyway) most youngsters start out as idealistc communists, but as they grow older and mroe cynical, they drift closer to stalinism. stalinism is more like conservative communism in russia.

Wow, this is very suprising to me, for someone who was born in the USSR. I myself was born there (hence the name) in Smolensk, outside of Moscow, and i find it offensive that you say Russians "drift towards stalinism" this is DEFINATELY NOT TRUE!!!
Stalin destroyed Russia and its independant states, why would RUSSIANS support that?
He killed millions, and at the expense of.....what? His own fucking safety! Stalinists in Russia are an extreme minority, and they are only stalinists because they deny that stalin did anything wrong, like Nazis who deny the holocaust ever happened, its not that they think it was good, they just pretend it never happened.
They are wrong, obviously, but people in Russia DO NOT SUPPORT STALIN!!!!!
People from other countries do, but they have no idea what kind of attrocities he caused to my people. I cant beleive you think RUSSIANS would be STALINISTS!!! fuck!

[James]

hahahahahaha, thanks alot Natalenko.

[Natalenko]

Im sorry if I offend you, but I find it hard to tell if people are being sarcastic or serious here, so was that a genuine "thanks" or you taking the piss?

[lenin]

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[lenin]

the KPRF is a stalinist party and is the most poular party in russia. remember, not everyone who is a stalinist wants another stalin in russia! stalinsim stretches to what you saw in USSR in 70's and early 80's. what i was saying when i said most people drift towards stalinsim is that most hard-core stalinists are older people. natalenkos anti-communist attitude suprises me as he/she comes from the red belt (smolensk).

[James]

I wasn't being sarcastic. Just is, these guys claim that stalinism and the russian people are hand in hand at the moment. You just proved him wrong. Thank you.

:)

[lenin]

how many people want a neo-stalin in russia? a minority!

how many people want some form of stalinism back in russia? lots! even putin is a semi-stalinist (not economicaly of course).

[Edelweiss]

Hooray for Natalenko! :)

[Thine Stalin]

I wonder if he really russian, profile says australian and his aol SN, ZapAnarchoCommie, causes me to think different

[Natalenko]

Oki, well i Live in australia, i have since 1987, lucky cos even before the fall of the USSR, russia was very poor. Anyway, i still have family there, and they cry when i bring up issues of Stalins rule.
Now this to you guys just means a symbol of anti-stalinism, but when they visit and im sitting next to them, and they are deeply upset, it really moves me, they tell of all sorts of things, they personally have lost over half the Natalenkos (my family) because of stalin. They were drafted to Stalins red army, were captured in germany, escaped, rushed back to russia to HELP stalin (who at the time, they thought was good) and they were ALL killed by Stalin because they "may have been spies" Since when does being captured by germens make you a german spy??? This happened to more than 2.5million soldiers and destroyed over 1million families including my family in 1940, so how could they SUPPORT him??? there is about 90% of russian people who knew someone who was killed by Stalin. Not knew OF them, but KNEW them.

I KNOW that what you said about Stalinist parties in Russia being the most popular are complete belony.

As for my aim sn "ZapAnarchoCommie" Zap = Zapatista supporter Anarcho = Beleive in Anarchy and Commie = because im a socialist (but everyone knows what a commie is, so i use that instead).
How does that disprove that im Russian?

[man in the red suit]

I am not a stalinist, I am a liberalist, but I am somewhat sympathetic to the stalinists. I am keeping in mind the oppression and torture caused under stalin, and yet I think of the few points I share in common with the stalinists. I think that if we get along that we will eventually be able to reach a compromise.

[Moskitto]

by the way, I am not becoming a Stalinist, I just managed to keep an intersting conversation with Lenin.

However, I don't care now because I think I'm in love (not with Lenin.)

[James]

is it me?

[Moskitto]

nope someone i know in real life

[Nateddi]

lidia?

[Menshevik]

I liked Yuri (when he wasn't going on about zionists, etc.), but he's back in Belorus.

[Moskitto]

yeah, that's it.

[Thine Stalin]

[As for my aim sn "ZapAnarchoCommie" Zap = Zapatista supporter Anarcho = Beleive in Anarchy and Commie = because im a socialist (but everyone knows what a commie is, so i use that instead).
How does that disprove that im Russian?
[/quote]

They're usually terms used by westerners.

[Thine Stalin]

Stupid quotes..

[Natalenko]

ive lived in Australia for 15 years, of course i use western terms. Hang on, Anarchy was invented, or at least defined in Germany, Zapatistas are supported all over the world and socialism "Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics" how is that necessarily western?
If your talking about the word "commie" then hey, i picked that up in Australia....big deal! does this mean im not russian?