Muslims' fury forces schools to shelve anti-homophobia storybooks for 5-year-olds

[Unicorn]

" Two primary schools have withdrawn storybooks about same-sex relationships after objections from Muslim parents.

Up to 90 gathered at the schools to complain about the books which are aimed at pupils as young as five.

One story, titled King & King, is a fairytale about a prince who turns down three princesses before marrying one of their brothers."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=553008&in_page_id=1770

[RedAnarchist]

The Daily Mail? Are you sure this is even a true story? I don't know who the Daily Mail would hate more, Muslims or homosexuals.

If these schools aren't religious, then these parents can just take their children out of them and put them in a religious school to indoctrinate them there.

[Unicorn]

The Daily Mail? Are you sure this is even a true story?
I am not British so I don't know about the brand of politics the newspaper espouses. Differences between capitalist rags are small anyway.

[RedAnarchist]

Well, the Daily Mail are one of the worst. They blame everything on immigrants, ethnic minorities and muslims.

[Gitfiddle Jim]

The Daily Mail are extremely right wing - they are royalists, Tory, anti-immigration, nationalists, racist, capitalist.

[spartan]

Well this is from the Daily Heil who openly proclaimed their support for Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists and who openly declared opposition to any war with Hitler's Germany.

Indeed they only changed their tune to a pro-war one when the British government threatened to close the newspaper down because pro-Nazi activities were made illegal when Britain declared war on Germany.

All in all take everything that this paper says with a pinch of salt and make sure that you have your exaggeration detector on (Though admittedly its so bleeding obvious that you wont have to have it on).

Also since when has this paper been a defender of homosexuality?

This story just proves that this paper is so racist that they would come to the defence of homosexuality (Something that they have in the past been against) just so that they can write a bad story about Muslims.

[Luís Henrique]

I don't think we need Muslisms to coerce schools into homophobia. We can do it pretty well with the resident Christians.

Luís Henrique

[Faux Real]

This is a pretty desperate attempt to discredit Rosa's thread.

[RedAnarchist]

Which thread is that?

[BobKKKindle$]

This pathetic excuse for a story reminds me of a similar "outrage" last year; apparently Muslim parents demanded that the study of the Holocaust and the historic persecution of the jewish people be withdrawn from the syllabus, but the story was later discovered to be false, as no muslims had made such a demand, and the study of the holocaust is now a compulsory part of the curriculum for all schools. Stories like this indicate the prevalence of islamophobia in British society - and evidently fake Socialists like the OP want to encourage this sentiment.

And which newspaper published this story....?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=445979&in_page_id=1770

[Devrim]

This pathetic excuse for a story reminds me of a similar "outrage" last year;

This reminds me of the last time that SWP members on here told us not to believe the bourgeois press. If people remember the bourgeois press was actually right.

Bob seems to imply that there is no substance to this story at all. I would doubt that. What is clear is that the newspaper has played on the 'Muslim' side of the story. The story itself actually mentions that 'non-Muslim parents were among those who complained'.


Stories like this indicate the prevalence of islamophobia in British society - and evidently fake Socialists like the OP want to encourage this sentiment.

In my opinion the attitude of the SWP actually gives more encouragement to the right that that of the OP here. Basically by taking up ridiculous positions that are so obviously disconnected from reality, they give ammunition to the right.

A prime example is the other thread about Islam and gays. An SWP supporter argues there that Islam is not anti gay, and then personally insults people who disagree offering no evidence in defence of her point. It is a very easy argument for the right to refute as it is so obviously untrue. If she had argued that not all Muslims were anti gay, it would have been a much more compelling case.

Here, Bob, seems to argue that there is no substance to this story, and implies that it is a complete falsification. The argument falls down completely if there is any truth to the story (which I personally suspect that there is). In that case the right will mock this argument easily. Much more logical is to argue how the newspaper are using this argument to attack people from a South Asian background.

I think that the arguments of the SWP have their part to play in the racist campaign.

Devrim

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

The Daily Mail supported the fascist Moseley and his Black Shirts before WW2.

I do not even believe the page numbering in that rag -- in fact, calling it a rag is to praise it too highly.

There is a long tradition in this paper (and the Express, the Sun and the Star, etc.) of making stuff up about immigrants and muslims. A Guardian researcher has even written book about all the stories these papers have made up. I'll post a link to it in a minute or two.

OK, here it is:

http://www.flatearthnews.net/

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Devrim:


This reminds me of the last time that SWP members on here told us not to believe the bourgeois press. If people remember the bourgeois press was actually right.

Deary me, you plumb new depths of stupidity by the week.

What actually happened was that I advised comrades not to believe rumours put about in such papers until we knew the facts.

Devrim just swallows whatever takes his fancy, or whatever agrees with his sectarian agenda.

And no SWP member said what you alleged of them, either.


An SWP supporter argues there that Islam is not anti gay, and then personally insults people who disagree offering no evidence in defence of her point. It is a very easy argument for the right to refute as it is so obviously untrue. If she had argued that not all Muslims were anti gay, it would have been a much more compelling case.

You need to resist the temptation to derail this thread.

And, I have dealt with this red-herring in that other thread. If you want to make anymore points, do it there, not here.

[RHIZOMES]

The Daily Mail is one of the worst mainstream newspapers in the world.

[Devrim]

Devrim just swallows whatever takes his fancy, or whatever agrees with his sectarian agenda.

No, actually, I checked the facts before making the post.


Deary me, you plumb new depths of stupidity by the week.

What actually happened was that I advised comrades not to believe rumours put about in such papers until we knew the facts.
...
And no SWP member said what you alleged of them, either.

What was said on that thread by SWP members or supporters:


Thius just shows that you lot should not believe what the bourgeois press prints

Even if this story were true (which, as is clear if one does some proper research and does not blindly accept a hostile organization's viewpoint, it isn't)

So, Devrim, that Tory rag is lying, not Respect or Respect Renewal.

No chance that it's in fact the bourgeois press that's lying? The reason he discounts this is because he doesn't know who the real enemy is.

Someone else said this:


Well, it does look like a blatant Tory lie. Shame on the people who gleefully copied it without hearing both sides. I wonder when we'll be seeing the rectification.

This story is true. Now I think that the Islamicist card is being played here, but it is a fact that parents objected to these books and that they have been, at least for the moment withdraw.

The line 'Don't believe the bourgeois press' just hands ammunition to the right.

Devrim

[black magick hustla]

What is this whole deal with the SWP and their love-affair with mullahs?

I never got it.

[RHIZOMES]

What is this whole deal with the SWP and their love-affair with mullahs?

I never got it.

they are unable to see the fine line between stopping Muslims & Middle-Easterners being discriminated against and actively supporting Islamicist reaction.

[Jazzratt]

This story is unhelpful. Even if it is true (very debatable) this is a very isolated incident, especially as many other religious pressure groups are up to the same stuff (the catholics know this trick by rote). All it serves to do is increase British fears of the "Other", and as we have seen in this thread it adds ammunition to the shrill Socialist Wahhabi Party spokespeople who are attempting to paint any criticism of Islam's reactionary elements as racist.