renouncing nationalism

[lenin]

after giving long thoughts about the war crimes committed by the evil third reich. i am formally renouncing my nationalist ways. if nationalism leads to the third reich, i want no part of it!
i am still proud of my soviet past but not on the same scale. i still support seperate countries for the time being but not isolation which i supoprted earlier. whenever i am asked what i am politically, i will no longer say national bolshevik. i still support some of there causes, but i cannot associate myself with an organisation thats flag is the background of an evil swastika.
i am still a stalinist though and my views on everything else apart from extreme nationalism have not changed. as a stalinist, i urge the other stalinists to also drop there nationalist tendancies. patriotism yes, but not nationalism. all you have to do is think of WWII, and you will understand what extreme nationalism does.

[Capitalist Imperial]

nationalism is imperative to morale within the empire

[lenin]

err...did i understand that corectly? if there is nationalism, there can be no empire!!!! if each country is nationalist, it wants to survive on its own! why would a patriotic nationalist citizen want to live under the rules of another country (which is what an empire is)?

[Xvall]

This is good Lenin..
This is the type of action you should undergo right now if you want to prove to others that you should be allowed back on boards. Not to worry lenin, I think we've all gone under our diffirent phases.. I'm glad you've reconsidered...

[peaccenicked]

This is the first time I have read something that shows me that 'Lenin' is moving leftward in his thinking.
But anyone writing this is a dangerous, racist idiot.
"you libertarian hippies are always telling me that communism isn't just an economic theory. that it is a social theory aswell. well, the father of modern communism is karl marx. he and frederick engels both wrote the communist manifest so therefore, there social views represent the social views of communism, right? ok then, lets have a look shall we. firstly, marx was a raving anti-semite. his family was of jewish ethniticity but he was baptised a protastant and was later a devout atheist. he wrote tow anti-semitic book, 'the jewish question' and 'a world without jews'. also, if you read the way he refers to jews in several of his works, it isn't exactly flattering!!!! when he refers to a writer who is jewish, he doesn't call them by there name, he calls them 'jew'. 'the english jew', ' the french jew' etc. also, he was quite racist. he refers to LaSalle as a 'jewish nigger' because of his black ancestory. he refers to his actions as 'nigger like'!!!! marx and engels both spoke badly about orientals aswell. engels also called for the destruction of the slavic race!!!! marx and engels were both racists because they took certain race's and made them enemies of communism. so then, do you still want to take communsim as a social theory and have the views of marx (who was also quite authoritarian) and engels (who was DOWNRIGHT authoritarian) as the social views of your society? or do you now agree that communism is purely an economic theory and can have conflicting social views? "

[Xvall]

Correct me If I'm wrong.. Marx was jewish, was he not?

[Nateddi]

He was ethnically Jewish, but he was atheist.

[Michael De Panama]

I'm proud of you.

Maybe you aren't as insanely evil as I took you for. There may still be hope for you.

[RedSovietCCCP]

Thats good lenin, i was never a fan of nationalism, but keep strong on your soviet beleifs!!!!!!!! I am a authoritarian Communist but don't call me a nazi!!! You have your beleifs of your social veiws I have my beleifs but we have the main theroy of commuism in comman!!!! We are fighting each other when we should be fighting capilistism!!!!!! I'm sick of fighting with each other comrades!!!! I agree with stalin on some issues but not all, same goes for Marx!!!! We are all communist but in different ways!!!!! You guys like these comments I found today?????? I do a lot!!

Joseph Stalin stated that after communism suceeds,"...then, there will come a peace across the earth." (I agree with this)

Karl Marx said,".....the meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism." ( I agree with this also)

[lenin]

good quotes redsoviet!!!! de panama, i wouldn't get too exited, my views haven't changed on anything else apart from extreme nationalism. and peacenicked, everything in tht post was true. why was it dangerous? marx made every attempt to disguise his jewish ancestory and did not class himself as a jew, ever.
anyway, like i said, i still support national bolsheviks on some issues because IMO, patriotism is the quickest way of ressurecting the USSR. but i won't be an actual 'national bolshevik' any longer.
patriotism and being proud of your country is good (BTW russia have just gone 1-0 up!!!!!) . but thinking your country is better than someone elses is very bad. if hitler had played on the german thought that they were better than everyone else, there would have been no WWII. all countires are equal. freindly rivalry is good and healthy. like the USA-USSR sporting rivalries, it is good as long as it doesn't get out of hand.

[Edelweiss]

ok lenin, I'm happy to see that. And although I know you'll piss off a lot of people I have let back into the other forums. At least "on probation". I hope I'll not regret that.

[James]

Good stuff lenin.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Malte on 4:41 pm on June 5, 2002
ok lenin, I'm happy to see that. And although I know you'll piss off a lot of people I have let back into the other forums.

Hmm...the guy's still anti-semitic y'know. I suspect you didn't read the post where he called me a "fucking Israeli Jew" just cos I questioned Lord Jesus Lenin...whatever, it's your choice whether to ban him or not, but it seems strange to take it away now, after some token gesture.

[Capitalist Fighter]

Malte lenin has made some incredibly racist and disgusting comments as guerrillaradio and i, (in another thread about calling someone a KOREAN *****) have pointed out. Surely you will not allow him to post in other forums because he is a leftist, not taking into account his racist and fascist nature. Lenin though you have interesting ideas your racism is something i cannot tolerate and it will continue to serve as a bulwark against resolution and cooperation between you and i unless of course you renounce your racism as you have done your nationalism.

[lenin]

HOLD ON CF!!! when the fuck did i call someone a korean *****???? thats fucking bullshit!!!! i want evidence followed by an apology from you!!!!

[Capitalist Fighter]

Hmmm, sorry lenin i erred. It was not you who made the Korean quote, it was in fact the racist Unknown and this can be found here...

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...ic=402&start=20 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=402&start=20)

Once again i'm sorry lenin for wrongly saying that quote was by you however your israeli and jewish quotes remain. I nonetheless still don't agree with them, however i do apologise for the error.

[James]

...yeah f*cking Cf, you made that f*cking thing f*cking up, you f*cker. Didn't you! you little F*cker you... F*cking Lenin never f*cking swears. F*ck yeah.

(please note: sarcasim alert!)

Love, F*cking
James

[lenin]

CF, no problem.

james, your an idiot.

[James]

HAHAHAHAHA!!! That really did make me laugh!!! Thanks lenin.

[big kiss]

James

[Reuben]

I think GR has raised a point here which needs to be answered.

[lenin]

the point GR has raised, as usual..... is bullshit!!!! i didn't call anyone a 'fucking israel jew'.

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from lenin on 3:59 pm on June 7, 2002
CF, no problem.

james, your an idiot.


Wow. That's coming from this guy:


Quote: from lenin on 12:21 am on May 30, 2002
why won't your style of comunism work? well for a start, you are not harsh enough. you would let capitalists walk all over you and your government would be doomed to failure. without a strict police force to guard the centrally planned economy, the economy becomes liberal, when it goes liberal, it goes capitalist. liberalism IS capitalism.
FUCK LIBERALISM, fucking liberals make me so fucking angry! its all this 'lets all live together as one big happy family' well guess what? we aint one big fucking happy family! we've fucking hated each other since the dawn of man and you fucking rich kids with a conciounce think you can change us for the better. i fucking hate todays liberal politically correct society! all it is is fucking MTV fucking mult-culterul fucking gay shit! fuck that! fucking capitalist bastards! who gives a fuck about fucking gays! what about the fucking workers who have been exploited for fucking time!
i fucking work my fucking ass off every day (nights actually) for a fucking shit wage! i get paid fuck all, 180 punds a week! for busting my fucking bollocks day in day out and the fucking fat cat at the top fucking rakes in the money why? because his fucking dad gave him the company! how come MTV don't dovot nights to me, the fucking exploited worker! the give nights to gays don't they? they have a fucking gay night! i'm so fucking pissed of with this liberal world sometimes! do you know why i'm a stalinist? i don't want equality, i want fucking revenge! i want to kill that fucking prick who i work for! who makes his money off my fucking hard work! he's done fuck all his life and i've had to fucking work like fuck just to get 180 pounds a week! he probobly earns that an hour, fucking prick! and when the time comes, this fuckers views should not be heard! thats why i'm a fucking stalinist!

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from lenin on 4:38 pm on June 7, 2002
the point GR has raised, as usual..... is bullshit!!!! i didn't call anyone a 'fucking israel jew'.


Ok, not those words, but you did tell me to "fuck off to israel with your jewish friends!!!!"

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...c=440&start=170 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=440&start=170)

[James]

But lenin is really nice bloke!

(note ; sarcasim overload!!!)

[BatistaNationalista]

Lenin could have had a chance, unfortunately he decided to go onto the bolshevik side of the national bolsheviks. Lenin, re-think your decision. The Russian people need you, they need nationalism. You cannot become just antoher liberal communist.

Don't get me wrong, communism is evil, but atleast national bolshevism is moderate; you have to go more nationalistic rather than more communistic. I feel ashamed of you.

[guerrillaradio]

Batista's back!!!!!! WOHOO!!!!!! We missed ya kiddo...

[James]

oh yes! another darling of mine. !!!

(NB/ sarcasim...)

[BatistaNationalista]

Kiddo?

Look who is talking. "Guerrilla radio"; you are just another teenage punk listening to rage against the machine. When you start to understand the nature of humans as well as economics, you will find out you wasted your teenage lives acting as a rebel. Stand up for your country, stand up for your race, stand up for your heritage. I don't care what you are, but do it! You need to stop being such a rebel.

[guerrillaradio]

Look who is talking. "Guerrilla radio"; you are just another teenage punk listening to rage against the machine.

Well...I am a teenager, I do listen to RATM and I have been called a "punk" before, but usually by close-minded conservative fascists....oh yeah, of course, it makes sense...

When you start to understand the nature of humans as well as economics, you will find out you wasted your teenage lives acting as a rebel.

"It is better to die on the ground than live on your knees" Albert Camus - The Rebel

Stand up for your country, stand up for your race, stand up for your heritage. You need to stop being such a rebel.

Or...what?? You'll set the Mafia on me, like your namesake??

Y'see, your problem, kiddo, is that you are incapable of backing up your arguments. Once I remembered you praising Le Pen cos he "didn't wanna mix everyone up like those commies". now how can you expect anyone (discounting rednecks) to take you seriously when that's your justification for a far-rightist OAP attempting to take power??

[Nateddi]

uhh does someone have my password or something. Shit.

(Edited by Nateddi at 10:46 pm on June 7, 2002)


(Edited by Nateddi at 10:48 pm on June 7, 2002)

[Anonymous]

Has an anarchist i have to say this: FUCK YOUR COUNTRY, FUCK RELIGION, FUCK THE MONEY! they are the reason of all wars! its all their fault!

[James]

Don't you think thats like hitler blaiming everything on the Jews?

Think your arguments through.