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BIG BROTHER
1st April 2008, 23:02
http://www.nydailynews.com/latino/2008/03/31/2008-03-31_cuba_lifts_ban_that_kept_its_citizens_fr.html



HAVANA (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Havana) - New President Raul Castro (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Raul+Castro)'s government has lifted a ban on Cubans staying at hotels previously reserved for foreigners, ending another restriction that had been especially irksome to ordinary citizens.
"They have informed us that with a national ID card, anyone can stay here," an employee at the Ambos Mundos Hotel (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Ambos+Mundos+Hotel) in Old Havana.
She insisted on anonymity because she is not authorized to speak to foreign reporters, but said non-guests who are Cuban nationals will also be allowed to pay to enjoy other hotel services, including gyms.
Front desk workers and managers at the Nacional, Valencia (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Valencia) and Santa Isabel (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Santa+Isabel+SA) hotels in Havana also said Ministry of Tourism officials told them Cubans were allowed to stay in hotels across the island as of midnight on Monday.
Like other guests, they will be charged in convertible pesos worth 24 times the regular pesos earned by state employees.
Catering to tourists and foreign executives, many of Havana's best-known hotels charge well over $100 per night.
The four-star Ambos Mundos, for example, charges $173 a night in high season — more than eight times the average monthly state salary of about $20.
Some hotels scheduled meetings with all staff members to discuss the changes, and officials said new rules will also allow Cubans to rent cars at state-run agencies for the first time.
"Access to hotels was a complaint a lot of people had, so this is positive," said Magaly, a Havana retiree who said she did not feel comfortable divulging her full name. "But the prices are so expensive. I can't pay for a hotel. Very few people can."
There was no official announcement in state-controlled media on the lifting of the ban on hotel rooms and other tourist services, and word spread slowly through the Cuban capital.
It was business as usual inside the luxurious but slightly dog-eared lobby of the Hotel Nacional, and receptionists at several other hotels reported no immediate spike in reservations.
Other tourism employees said they had not yet been officially informed of the change.
Magaly, 69, predicted a sudden surge in hotel occupancy that wouldn't last.
"There will be a boom. Everyone will stay in hotels even if it's only for one day," she said. "But then the novelty will wear off and everything will be the same again."
On Friday, Cuba (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Cuba) authorized its citizens to obtain mobile phones, which only foreigners and key officials in the communist government were previously allowed to have.
A resolution from the Interior Commerce Ministry (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Interior+Commerce+Ministry) also authorized the general sale beginning Tuesday of computers, microwaves and DVD players, items which had only been sold to companies and foreigners.
But much of the population has access to convertible pesos or other foreign currency, either through jobs in tourism or with foreign firms or cash sent by relatives living in the United States (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/United+States). They will suddenly have a host of new ways to spend their money.
Tourism generates more than $2 billion annually in this country, and official restrictions that banned all Cubans — even those who can afford it — from enjoying beach resorts and luxury hotels were an especially sore point for many on the island since the government began encouraging foreign tourism en masse in the early 1990s.
Critics of the government have for decades branded the bans "tourism apartheid."
Even if few Cubans can take advantage of the new rule, it eliminates a glaring historical contradiction within the Cuban revolution.
When rebels led by Fidel Castro (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Fidel+Castro) took power in 1959, they joyfully overran beach resorts and hotels that had been largely limited to foreigners, declaring them open to all Cubans.
Governmental restrictions were eventually restored, however, as a way of promoting social equality within the communist system and limiting ordinary Cubans' contact with foreigners.
Since taking power from his ailing, 81-year-old brother Fidel on Feb. 24, Raul Castro, 76, has pledged to make improving Cubans' everyday life a top priority and undo "excessive restrictions" on society and the economy.


So, I'm pretty sure all of you guys have heard about this. I personally didn't like the fact that the Cubans weren't allowed in the Hotels in fact I'll be honest I didn't know that the govement had restricted cubans from using the hotels until a while ago, and i found that pretty disgusting.

So, comments, opinions?

BIG BROTHER
2nd April 2008, 05:07
anyone?

AGITprop
2nd April 2008, 05:11
The Hotels cost ten times more per night than what a Cuban worker makes in a Month. Don't worry too much.

BIG BROTHER
2nd April 2008, 05:21
Yes, but it seems there are some "rich cubans" who will be able to afford this. Also, I've read that Raul is promoting private owned farms and such. Will this lead to inequality and later to the dreaded "Market-socialism"?

AGITprop
2nd April 2008, 05:25
What do you think? I smell Chinese model, regardless of whether he is going to call it that. That is where Cuba is headed. The question is, will the people passively accept it. I hope not. The only people who will be able to afford the hotels though, are government bureaucrats who own them.

BIG BROTHER
2nd April 2008, 05:49
Yes, the same thing with the cellphones and DVD's its the burocrats the ones who are able to afford them. By the way, does any1 know why were th cellphones and other electronic banned?

Guerrilla Manila
2nd April 2008, 06:54
It's going to be a travesty when both Fidel and Raul are gone.

There are thousands of Miami Gusanos just chomping at the bit, to return and try to buy up everything.

Ideally these Gusano fucks would be sent to the wall that they escaped the last time ... but sadly upon their return they may be bringing franchises for McDonalds.

To me it is truly amazing how long Cuba has held out thus far ... I guess it was inevitable that eventually the powerful outside forces would break through ... along with the mirage of "glimmering" materialism.

Once the dam breaks ... there will be no stopping it.

BuyOurEverything
2nd April 2008, 15:16
The reason that Cubans were banned from going in hotels was to prevent prostitution, which was a pretty regular occurrence. Perhaps it was a fucked up way to deal with it, but the law was never just to arbitrarily restrict the freedom of Cubans. Also, seeing as the hotels cost way more than most Cubans can afford, all this will lead to is a few Cuban bureaucrats and new rich being able to stay there along with a big increase in prostitution.

Also, the sale of many electronics was restricted (they weren't banned) due to electricity shortages after the Soviet Union collapsed. I guess they figured stuff like food production was a better use of their scarce resources.

BIG BROTHER
2nd April 2008, 15:59
The reason that Cubans were banned from going in hotels was to prevent prostitution, which was a pretty regular occurrence. Perhaps it was a fucked up way to deal with it, but the law was never just to arbitrarily restrict the freedom of Cubans. Also, seeing as the hotels cost way more than most Cubans can afford, all this will lead to is a few Cuban bureaucrats and new rich being able to stay there along with a big increase in prostitution.

Also, the sale of many electronics was restricted (they weren't banned) due to electricity shortages after the Soviet Union collapsed. I guess they figured stuff like food production was a better use of their scarce resources.

ohh, thanks for the answer.

Now I've also read that Raul Castro is giving away small plots of land for Private production. I mean I know he's trying to make sure all land gets used and produced by couldn't he do something else?

what do you guys think?

YKTMX
2nd April 2008, 17:21
This is a particularly sensible, albeit easy and populist, move on the bureaucracy's part. As other posters have suggested, it's probably part of a softening up strategy for the inevitable move to "private" capitalism.

Don't expect any resistance from Cuban workers - it won't happen.

AGITprop
2nd April 2008, 17:28
Don't expect any resistance from Cuban workers - it won't happen.

Perhaps not yet, but there is growing interest in Trotskyism in Cuba, and many are beginning to understand the bankruptcy of their degenerated worker's state and the twisted 'socialism' in which they live. Some people won't act, but others will agitate. It is going to be a sad day though, when the market dominates Cuba once again. Hopefully, this won't last long if it ever reaches to that point.

BIG BROTHER
3rd April 2008, 00:32
Perhaps not yet, but there is growing interest in Trotskyism in Cuba, and many are beginning to understand the bankruptcy of their degenerated worker's state and the twisted 'socialism' in which they live. Some people won't act, but others will agitate. It is going to be a sad day though, when the market dominates Cuba once again. Hopefully, this won't last long if it ever reaches to that point.

just out of curiosity how is that there's interest in trotskyism in Cuba? I mean where did you learn this? I'm curious

Anyways its sad to see that at least some cubans aren't very consious and I bet they will give privatization a warm welcome.

Also isn't Ironic how at first it was Raul the "radical" one in Fides july 26 movemenet and was the one who influenced Fidel to choose socialism, and now its Raul who is taking steps away from socialism.

Red Rebel
3rd April 2008, 23:46
Getting rid of Tourist Apartheid is a great move for Cuba. It was a necessary evil at the time but it's usefullness is over.


Also, I've read that Raul is promoting private owned farms and such.
False. Raul only further decentralized how farmers are able to obtain tools, supplies, ect.



By the way, does any1 know why were th cellphones and other electronic banned?


It was part of the Special Period. Basically the Cuban Telecommunications Company (ETECSA), was unable to provide service for mobile phones.



It's going to be a travesty when both Fidel and Raul are gone.


A revolution build on an individual(s) won't last. The Cuban Revolution wouldn't be alive today if that were true. When Fidel stepped down there was no disturbances in Cuba, life just went on. I have no reason to believe that 2 men are keeping a country together.



The reason that Cubans were banned from going in hotels was to prevent prostitution, which was a pretty regular occurrence.


Makes sense; however, the main point of this was to increase tourism and generate more foriegn capital.



Also isn't Ironic how at first it was Raul the "radical" one in Fides july 26 movemenet and was the one who influenced Fidel to choose socialism, and now its Raul who is taking steps away from socialism.


Cuba isn't moving away from socialism. The three main reforms under Raul (telecommunications, farmers & tourist apartheid) were all changes that happened when the USSR collasped. Now that Cuba is getting back on its feet, it doesn't need those reforms.

nvm
4th April 2008, 00:35
just out of curiosity how is that there's interest in trotskyism in Cuba? I mean where did you learn this? I'm curious

The IMT branch of Spain participates in the anual bookfair of Cuba and they sell hundreds of Trotsky books every year and Cubans are very interested to trotskyism.
I do not think that it is that great of an influence right now to Cubans , only a small percentage but this small percentage mght be able to influence hundreds of thousands of workers over the years.
Also the IMt i think has a branch there or a branch that will be created soon that is going to work(or it works if its already made)in the CP and will act as a left opposition.
Hopefuly they will be successful.


Otherwise it will be a day(and more) of mourning if Cuba becomes the new Hawai.

Raúl Duke
4th April 2008, 01:11
Nice move, I never liked that "tourism apartheid"....


Now I've also read that Raul Castro is giving away small plots of land for Private production. I mean I know he's trying to make sure all land gets used and produced by couldn't he do something else?

NEP?



Also isn't Ironic how at first it was Raul the "radical" one in Fides july 26 movemenet and was the one who influenced Fidel to choose socialism, and now its Raul who is taking steps away from socialism.

First came Mao than came Deng...

Something similar also happening in Cuba? Well, I'll not be surprised either way.

BIG BROTHER
4th April 2008, 06:10
Quote:
Originally Posted by josefrancisco
Also, I've read that Raul is promoting private owned farms and such.

False. Raul only further decentralized how farmers are able to obtain tools, supplies, ect.


Are you sure? I read it in some newspaper(of course you can only trust the burgoise media so much)


Quote:
Now I've also read that Raul Castro is giving away small plots of land for Private production. I mean I know he's trying to make sure all land gets used and produced by couldn't he do something else?
NEP?

Sorry to ask, but what does "NEP" mean?

Ferryman 5
4th April 2008, 22:40
Rosa Lichtenstein (http://www.revleft.com/vb/member.php?find=lastposter&t=74271) is a “moderator” which means she will threaten to shut you out of this site if you persist in arguing with here. That is why she is able to talk nonsense without sanction. The best thing is to pretend that she is of some consequence and talk round her.