Cappies and Commies Unite [Archive]

lenin

1st June 2002, 08:43

ernest, lol, think that at your preril!!!!

the world wide prolaterian movement known as communism may be over, but stalinism is coming back in the countries that had it and you know it!
perfect example would be russia. look who was voted in, a stalinist! putin is a stalinist, not economically, but he basically appealed to voters the same way kprf do, patriotism. the reason he got in ahead of kprf was because he promised prosperity (which hasn't happned butt hats another story). kprf (stalinist) still hold 30%of the duma and stalalinist parties still hold majorirties (or absolute power) in several fsu countries (belarus, ukraine, moldava, turmenistan).
you also know as well as i do that USSR (i'll call it that for the sake of argument cause i can't be bothered to keep calling it the former soviet union) is more stalinist than capitalist. capitalism is abut competiton, how is there ompettion if the only holders of land are the state and the mafia? USSR can never completely go capitalist again. communism went on for too long.
not only russia, but china, n. korea, vietnam, cuba, laos are all stalinist. eastern europe is governed by reform stalnists. i'm not going to lie to you and say communism as a global movement is coming back, but stalinism (or some form of stalinism) is returning to former communist countries. and if you think its been defeated, you couldn't be further from the truth.

lenin

1st June 2002, 09:09

anyway CF, what with you favouring 'socialism' over stalinism? stalinism has far more capitalistc traits and is a far more realistic economy. why do you thik democratic 'socialism' is better?

Capitalist Fighter

1st June 2002, 09:30

I prefer socialism because i seek the preservation of ones civic rights, such as freedom of speech, opposition, etc. Stalinism deprives man of the most basic rights. Oppression and brutality are something that i don't think anybody would want.
BTW Ernest fascism still pervades the minds of the stalinist members of the board.

Angie

1st June 2002, 13:19

I wouldn't side with either Stalinism or Capitalism, sorry guys.

Nateddi

1st June 2002, 13:26

Despite how much I hate stalinism, I would much rather live under a country following the unrevisionist (KPRF) platform, rather than a country under a laissez-faire one.

Xvall

1st June 2002, 14:26

Well, I won't exactly 'join' you, but I'd be happy to intellectually CRUSH some of the idiots here.

Capitalist Fighter

1st June 2002, 14:53

yeah that's what i meant. I don't propose you be a capitalist, (well not yet anyway ;)) but i do hope that both camps can unite and "intellectually destroy" stalinism. Seriously maybe people here are misguided, whatever the evil that is stalinism has to be exposed and crushed.

lenin

1st June 2002, 17:17

after just reading one of redsoviet's posts i have started to realise something. the capitalists want to unite with the 'communists' to smash stalinism? what does this say to you? it says you are so close to capitalism, the capitalists want to allign with you! does this not prove to you that we are the true marxists?

Ernest Everhard

1st June 2002, 17:19

Quote: from lenin on 5:17 pm on June 1, 2002
after just reading one of redsoviet's posts i have started to realise something. the capitalists want to unite with the 'communists' to smash stalinism? what does this say to you? it says you are so close to capitalism, the capitalists want to allign with you! does this not prove to you that we are the true marxists?

NOt really, the capitalist don't care about either of you, both are defunct ideologies. We're only here to entertain ourselves.

lenin

1st June 2002, 17:23

incorrect! the idea of the world prolatriat revolution is (for now anyway) a defuct ideology. maybe even communism in new countries is not going to happen (exept places like nepal, colombia or phillipines). but stalinism or some form of stalinism is coming back in the countries where it used to be.

Ernest Everhard

1st June 2002, 17:26

no, nationalism is coming back in countries like russia where the government needs to take the peoples' minds of their real life problems.

RedSovietCCCP

1st June 2002, 17:41

Hehehehe..... Good point lenin!!!! It's funny that the capitalist and the so called communist are starting to align with each other!!!!! It's just one big happy capitalist family now. I'm not going to call them so called communist any more. They sound so much like democrats. At the university when the communist debate the democrats and the republicans there is so much similarity between the so called communist and the democrats!!!!!

lenin

1st June 2002, 17:45

ernest..."no"!err...how do you know? are you russian? i am! you are right about the nationalism though. but in russia, nationalism is stalinism!!!! or at least forms of it. nationalists speak about resurrecting the USSR more than the communists do!!!! i predict one of a few things will happen in russia. a british labour party style party will form a coalition with kprf, a national bolshevik ruler or a military dictatorship. thats my opinon based on the situation over there now.

Field Marshal

1st June 2002, 22:11

actually in Russia, it's not nationalism. It's a new wave of National Socialism. There are several groups in Russia like that.

And Capitalist Fighter, Stalinism did kill millions of people, but so did Communism, and so did/does Capitalism.

lenin

1st June 2002, 22:21

fiedl marshall, not being arrogant but, i'm from russia. i live over here but i go there at least 3 times a year. i know the situation there. the neo nazis go under a banner that is the same as the swastika but with a hammer and sickle instead (ie read back ground white disk), its called national bolshevism and it has a hard core following with the dissaffected youth. there not completely racist but do think we should of allied ourselves with hitler during the war to crush capitalism. this is where i disagree with them.

Capitalist Imperial

1st June 2002, 22:46

True capitalists should not waste their time differentiating between "greater" and "lesser" communisms. That is like sitting in your yard determining which one of 2 dog poops smell less bad.

Shock To The System

1st June 2002, 23:01

lenin...i hate to say it mate, but Russia have recently begun to turn land back into private ownership......so pretty soon the state wont actually own it anymore....

Shock To The System

1st June 2002, 23:04

so u live in russia lenin???/yeah right(!)....surely u wouldve known about the private ownership of land? it was all over the news here in England.....

lenin

1st June 2002, 23:16

i don't live in russia!!!! if you would read what i said, i said i was born in russia and i go back there 3-4 times a year. and yes i know about the sale of the farmland, but its farmland that was never used by the state anyway. anyway, when the fuck did i say russia didn't have private ownership???? you dumb fuck!!! you've just put words in my mouth!!!! russia had private ownership but the majority of it is owned by corrupt former state managers and mafia. in fact, did i even mention private land in this thread at all???? learn to read you fucking idiot!!!!

Shock To The System

1st June 2002, 23:46

lol stalinists r so easy to wind up........u have so much passion!
no, but seriously, stalinism will never re-emerge bcos people dont like being killed.....you dont realise this, yet u dare to call me stupid?
Seems pretty simple to me.

lenin

1st June 2002, 23:53

a new stalin will not return to russia, you are right. but elements will return. i think russia could be in line for a military dictatorship soon! seriously! the military is so depleted and pissed off it is unreal. and if there is one institute that can take power easily, its the red army! other than that, possible return to stalinsim would be through a coalition government with centre-leftists or nationalists. remember, stalinsim isn't just a ruler like stalin! its several things. its populism, its centralised government. its not just necessarily a dictator with a big mustache.

Thine Stalin

2nd June 2002, 02:45

It seems pretty simple to you shock because you have over simpilised it, I think lenin has a done a good job of proving that

RGacky3

2nd June 2002, 03:09

Quote: from Capitalist Fighter on 6:10 am on June 1, 2002
The major concern for members of both camps has to be at this moment fascism. Yuri, lenin, Thine Stalin, RedSovietCCP and StalinSoldiers are adhering to his most evil philosophy that proclaims the deaths of millions and supports such actions. Let's unite and destroy this philosophy with your rationality, intelligence, resilience and unity. Ever onward to victory :)
We will overcome :)
Socialism/Capitalism or Death! :)

SOCIALISM/CAPITALISM UNTIE!!!!! That is like trying to unite lions and deer. they are opposites, as socialists, our main concern is to get rid of capitalism, then get rid of fascism and stalinism.

Michael De Panama

2nd June 2002, 04:08

Wow, Capitalist Fighter, I was seriously thinking about starting this exact same topic. Seriously, word for word. How odd.

Well, you know I'll support the fight against the Stalinists.

RedRevolutionary87

2nd June 2002, 05:37

michael get it straight, our first enemy is capitalism. fascists and stalinists come secondary.

James

2nd June 2002, 08:59

michael get it straight, our first enemy is capitalism. fascists and stalinists come secondary

I disagree. Take nazi germany for example. Opposition was not allowed. Take UK. You can still voice your opinion more, even have the possibility of change.

What i'm saying is that i would rather live in the UK now, than nazi germany in 1939.

Capitalists come second for me at the moment, most of which seem prity ok to me (in that they respect others opinions).

Unlike "Thine Idiot", the fucking nazi pig.

James

lenin

2nd June 2002, 10:15

james, what you fail to realise is that nazi germany WAS a socialist country! nazism is a form of socialism that has been distorted to suit hitlers racist feelings. any country who uses a planned economy or a restricted economy is a socialist economy. as i said before, social issues have nothing to do with it. nazism is a form of socialism, just as stalinism (USSR), aswell as utopian socialism (never achieved), moderate socialism (norway, denmark). there all forms of socialsm because they use socialist economic teachings.
de panama, it doesn't suprise me you want to unite with capitalists. you are virtually one yourself. just give in and join the democrat party.
shock to the sytstem, whats the point in tring to 'wind me up'? what do you achive by just lying to piss me off. you idiot.

RedSovietCCCP

2nd June 2002, 17:47

Basically james, socialism has been distorted to suit hitlers racist feelings as you so called communists distort it as your liberal OPINIONS!!!!! And Micheal why do you agrue with lenin when he lived in the most powerful communist country ever??? And you are a capitalist (democrat)!!!!!!! Lenin isn't working for corporate Wal-mart like you micheal!!!!!!! So just keep your mouth shut Wal-mart employee!!!!

libereco

2nd June 2002, 18:05

Quote: from RedSovietCCCP on 5:47 pm on June 2, 2002

And Micheal why do you agrue with lenin when he lived in the most powerful communist country ever???

The Soviet Union? How the fuck was that communism? Was it a classless society? (hint: rethorical question)
The workers were treated like shit by the Party. Real communists and anarchists were hunted and killed, a fate not even capitalists should have to endure.
The USSR was nothing but a totalitarian state-capitalist system.

And you are a capitalist (democrat)!!!!!!!

Alright mr. Fascist. This may be hard for you to comprehend, but i'll say it anyway. Communism is not linked to any kind of Authorian system. It can very well be democratic, in wich case there might truly be no classes, it may also be anarchic.

Lenin isn't working for corporate Wal-mart like you micheal!!!!!!! So just keep your mouth shut Wal-mart employee!!!!

How do you know?
Where do you think the proletriat that you always talk about works? Who do you think the workers in the 19th century slaved for? I'll give you the answer: capitalists.
fucking idiot (this is your chance so you can complain about the insult and just disregard everything else i wrote).

oh and fuck you. (go cry me a river)

(Edited by libereco at 6:07 pm on June 2, 2002)

James

2nd June 2002, 18:45

james, what you fail to realise is that nazi germany WAS a socialist country!...

You missed the FUCKING point!

I was saying i would rather join the capiltalist and be able to still be my libertarian self, than be made a slave to the worse authertarian party there is (the far left...ie YOU).

Why do you like authertairan views so much? Its so upsetting, as you would know if/when YOU become SUBJECT to THEM. I suggest that you rejoin the REAL world. Chances are, you would fall subject to. The whole "authertairian left" wing ideolgy is a complete contradiciton - thus its irrational. You wouldn't mind bossing OTHERS around, and TELLING THEM what to do, but what happens when YOU are FORCED around, told what to say, what to think.

At least in the UK i'm not killed for going against the whole party theory.

Also shock to the system wasn't winding you up on purpose, it just happened. Like the way you upset and wind me up. I don't know if you are trying to do so or not...i put it down to lack of REALITY. Have you ever visited a concentration camp btw?

Michael De Panama

2nd June 2002, 21:54

My first enemy is the bourgeoisie. The most powerfull bourgeoisie possible is a Stalinist regime. I don't care if they call me their comrades or if they call themselves communists, I'd rather have capitalism than Stalinism. I see Stalinism as an example of the worst capitalist exploitation possible: A wealthy and ruthless ruler exploiting an entire nation of workers. If this is "the only way communism will come about", then I will much rather have capitalism. I will fight on the side of the proletariat no matter what. The worst of proletarian exploitation is what's going to be on the top of my priorities. Therefore, I would gladly unite with the cappies to fight the Stalinists.

And Micheal why do you agrue with lenin when he lived in the most powerful communist country ever???

Because, you see, I'm not arguing with him as a person, I'm arguing with his beliefs. You continuously deviate from the actual argument just to give desperate personal attacks. You are one of the more stupid people I've seen. Even if I took into account who Lenin is, his personal life in not admirable for me. I hate the Soviet Union. I've lived in one of the least powerfull third world proletarian nations in the world. What does it matter?

Lenin isn't working for corporate Wal-mart like you micheal!!!!!!!

I'll bet you that he is. That's what most of the proletariat works for, you imbecile. I work for a company that I hate. So you use that against me? The proletarian workforce of some Nike sweatshop in Indonesia is working for corporate America. Do you think they like it? Who are you fighting for, moron?

de panama, it doesn't suprise me you want to unite with capitalists. you are virtually one yourself. just give in and join the democrat party.

Ah, what you don't understand is that you support a much greater exploitation of the proletariat than the capitalists. You are the practically bourgeois. You have a bourgeois mind. You have bourgeois motives. I was expecting this response from you. In reality, you are the one with the rightwing leanings. You are the one who wants to put the power into the hands of the minority. You are the one who has capitalist leanings.

Stalinists like you hurt the movement much more than any capitalist could ever dream of doing. You represent everything that the rest of us communists fight against, and you try to represent this from the inside of the movement. The ignorant masses think that "communism" means, "no democracy", because of you fools. You are a much greater evil than the capitalists.

Field Marshal

2nd June 2002, 22:00

libereco, I think that he meant that the Soviet Union became a superpower.

And I think the only question that you have to ask youeself is the the political compass. "Is an enemy of your enemy a friend?" something like that.

STALINSOLDIERS

3rd June 2002, 02:51

you people cant defeat us neither in the internet and especially in real life.....well crush you like iron you capitalist fuck ill crush your skull with my boots..and who ever any communist sides with capitalism your weak you are just capitalist *****es...that is all for now

Michael De Panama

3rd June 2002, 02:53

So much for your claims that you weren't a Stalinist.

Capitalist Fighter

3rd June 2002, 05:43

StalinSoldiers, i analysed your situation in a previous post. Let me ellaborate on it now. Nobody likes you so you join the Stalinists, contrary to your earlier claims, in order to "fit in" with yuri and all them and makes friends. You are a try hard who has a picture of Stalin as their logo to be a real hard ass when in fact you are a little child who pretends they are part of a guerilla war. Get lost and fight in the jungles you fool. Try hard Stalinist scum.
Oh by the way, i'm so scared abour your little threats, pft. See you are a big man on an anonymous internet board but in real life you are a scared wanna hard ass who judging by everyone's opinion on this board is an idiot and doesn't know anything. :)

Capitalist Imperial

3rd June 2002, 18:38

Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 2:51 am on June 3, 2002
you people cant defeat us neither in the internet and especially in real life.....well crush you like iron you capitalist fuck ill crush your skull with my boots..and who ever any communist sides with capitalism your weak you are just capitalist *****es...that is all for now

SS, WE HAVE DEFEATED YOU IN REAL LIFE.

Michael De Panama

3rd June 2002, 19:02

Well, he's definitely got a point there.

STALINSOLDIERS

3rd June 2002, 19:35

ahahuh you think im just trying to fit in you think im weak please come to miami come here and ill show you whose weak....you say your stronger then come here i mean im weak remeber.....i want to fight all of you for real....

Capitalist Imperial

3rd June 2002, 19:41

Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 7:35 pm on June 3, 2002
ahahuh you think im just trying to fit in you think im weak please come to miami come here and ill show you whose weak....you say your stronger then come here i mean im weak remeber.....i want to fight all of you for real....

LOL,LOL,LOL, this says it all!!!

Thine Stalin

3rd June 2002, 19:59

I'm going around the country to various fairs with my boxing gym this summer, hopefully I'll get to meet up with a few of you idealists and we'll see what your peaceful hippie mentality does for you then, I'll be in the ohio state fair in august or september, feel free to enter it.

Needssomeconvincing

3rd June 2002, 22:45

I'd support communism and capitalism uniting but only after I get my ski holiday in hell. (I think I'll explain that for Capitalist Imperialist- That means when hell freezes over)

lenin

3rd June 2002, 23:01

i like your style thine stalin!!!! what weight do you box at? i've been boxing for a few years now. lost a bit of fitness though becaue i started serious weightlifting and am probobly too heavy for my height to make anything of it (225lbs and only 5'11). good idea about the state fair that!!!! if i could get some money together to get over there i wouldn't mind participating in a stalinist vs liberal communist boxing tournament!!! but the stalinists might have too fight each other to see who gets there hands on de panama first!!!!

(Edited by lenin at 11:41 pm on June 3, 2002)

RGacky3

3rd June 2002, 23:38

DAMN IT STOP FUCKING FIGHTING, BOTH IDEALISTS AND STALINISTS SHOULD UNITE AND FUCKING KILL THE CAPPIES NOT EACH OTHER.

Capitalist Imperial

4th June 2002, 00:20

I love it!!! Do you see why your system fails???? LOL, LOL,LOL

Thine Stalin

4th June 2002, 02:13

Quote: from lenin on 11:01 pm on June 3, 2002
i like your style thine stalin!!!! what weight do you box at? i've been boxing for a few years now. lost a bit of fitness though becaue i started serious weightlifting and am probobly too heavy for my height to make anything of it (225lbs and only 5'11). good idea about the state fair that!!!! if i could get some money together to get over there i wouldn't mind participating in a stalinist vs liberal communist boxing tournament!!! but the stalinists might have too fight each other to see who gets there hands on de panama first!!!!

(Edited by lenin at 11:41 pm on June 3, 2002)

Ha ha ha, that'd be great! I'm only 5'10 and 165 but I still brawl more than dance, so many fighters just using thinking too much I think, all I gotta do is get under their arms and thats a few cracked ribs right there.

lenin

4th June 2002, 02:21

5'10 165 is perfect middle weight. its been scientificaly proved that the perfect weight for a man to box is 165! when i fight, i'm about 4-5' shorter than my opponent! i like to brawl too. i got no choice really, my technical skills suck! i'm more of a tyson than an ali. if i wanted to take it seriously, i'd have to drop to about 180. but if i had to get down to 120 to fight de panama, i'd do it!!!!!!!!

Capitalist Imperial

4th June 2002, 20:16

Its ok, american boxers are the worlds best anyway (except Lennox Lewis, he is tight, but tyson may take him down!!!)

Michael De Panama

4th June 2002, 20:42

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 12:20 am on June 4, 2002
I love it!!! Do you see why your system fails???? LOL, LOL,LOL

Shut up. The Stalinists are as much a part of my system as they are of yours.

Moskitto

4th June 2002, 20:45

No, Lewis will give Tyson brain damage, British sportsmen are always better. The US is only good at sports they invented. That's why Tim Brabants is better than Greg Barton, Michael Owen is better than Eric Wynalda and David Seaman is better than Brad Friedel.

Capitalist Imperial

4th June 2002, 20:50

My system is american capitalism, and the stalinists have no part of it

Capitalist Imperial

4th June 2002, 20:54

British sportsman are ok, but they play soft sports (cricket, golf). Boxing, american football, basketball, and hockey, truely athletic sports that take size and stenght ,are ruled by Americans. Ohhh, and give us about 5 more years, and we will rule soccer too!! Who arethose sportsmen you mentioned? What sport are you talking about? And why does england have so few medals in the olympics???

Michael De Panama

4th June 2002, 21:09

That's exactly my point. The Stalinists have no part in my system. They are nothing more than proletarian fascists. They'd be better off marching with the Nazis.

ThomasT

4th June 2002, 21:23

...if I'm allowed to add my moddest oppinion!
I don't admire Stalinists at all, the same with capies who have completely lost humanity and just take care looking after their own profit! I hate facism in all it's forms!
I'd apreciate a well balanced form of democracy and communism (Scientistic socialism) where there's motivation for everyone to go on, still have his own identity, his own profile, but where ppl'd take much more care of eachother and not letting whole folks die because of greed!
TOM

ThomasT

4th June 2002, 21:29

CI if this is your real opinion:
...to secure peace is to prepare for war!
.. I've to assum you've been fucked right into your head!

Capitalist Imperial

4th June 2002, 21:29

Who are these british sportsmen you mentioned? What sport are you discussing? British people are usually small and sickly compared to americans, That is why we rule the medal count at the olympics. (And our olympic athletes were all amature, not paid like in communist states).

SU37

4th June 2002, 21:37

Im American and a male,Im only 5'5 and weight about 178.Your judging people IC! Not ever American is 6'4 and super healthy and really big.

(Edited by SU37 at 4:42 pm on June 4, 2002)

Capitalist Imperial

4th June 2002, 22:01

I know, SU-37, not everyone in the US is huge, but we have the tallest average height and heaviest average weight on earth!!!

lenin

5th June 2002, 01:59

americans rule soccer? no way!!! americans have too invent sports that nobody else plays so they are the best at them. and they aren't even the best either!!! CI, remember 1972 olympic basketball final? ohh yeah!!!! soviets beat USA in finals!!!! and what about hockey? soviets always beat america exept for lake placid which american has lived off ever since! and US football? they don't even use there feet!!!! and why do they need them pads? anyway, i don't know shit about it but the game is boring as fuck!!! stop-start-stop-start!!! you talk about medals tables??? listen, i know you beat us in cold war, but we definatly won the sports war!!!! we won every medal table there was!!!! and even today, if you add up USSR medals at sidney, we still beat you!!!! and don't say soviets were paid or on steroids, US athletes were subsidised with scholarships to college and such and 99% of olympic athletes all take steroids!!!! i do hope tyson kills lewis though. i hate lewis. he is a gay bastard who is boring too watch. and i love iron mike because he is same height as me!! and i always get told i'm too short for a proper boxing career.

ps are you an athlete? whats your game?

pps what is USA average height and weight?

lenin

5th June 2002, 02:14

CI,i agree about british sportsmen, they really do suck!!!! they invented football but are always rubbish at it. they live more off 1966 than USA does lake placid (come on CI, you know you do live off lake placid, lol)! and cricket? what were you guys thinking? tennis, another shit game! rugby? BORING and too slow!
in england, they haven't got the mentlity of soviets or americans. in USA or russia, if you don't win gold, your a complete failure! regardless of circumstances! in britain, you are treated as hero even if you fail miserably (ie frank bruno!).
enlgand should put more money into sports. USA and USSR both realised how important sports are to country morale. the FUSSR sports programs are still really good IMO. they encourage athletes to pursue sports. USA system is really good too. if you are good at sports, you can get free education! that is good incentive (although i think everyone should get free education anyway but thats something else). i like the way they televise college sports in USA. thats also really good. CI, is college football in USA more popular than pro football? i heard it was. USSR and USA, both good sports programs. UK should learn from them.

Moskitto

5th June 2002, 21:08

International Marathon medals won by Great Britain Canoe and Kayak Squad since 1982

1982 World Cup 1

Golds - 3
Silver - 2
Bronze - 3

1983 World Cup 2

Gold - 2
Silver - 1

1984 World Cup 3

Gold - 3
Silver - 4
Bronze - 2

1985 World Cup 4

Gold - 1
Silver - 2
Bronze - 4

1986 World Cup 5

Gold - 2
Silver - 3
Bronze - 1

1987 World Cup 6

Gold - 1
Silver - 3
Bronze - 1

1988 World Championships 1

Gold - 1
Silver - 1

1989 World Cup

Gold - 2
Silver - 3

1990 World Championships

Silver - 1

1991 World Cup

Gold - 2
Bronze - 1

1992 World Championships

Gold - 1
Silver - 1

1993 World Cup

Gold - 1
Bronze - 1

1994 World Championships

Gold - 1
Silver - 1

1995 World Cup

Gold - 2
Silver - 1
Bronze - 1

1996 World Championships

Gold - 2
Silver - 1

1997 World Cup Final

Gold - 3
Silver - 1
Bronze - 1

1998 World Championships

Gold - 2
Silver - 2
Bronze - 1

1999 World Championships

Gold - 2

2000 World Championships

2001 World Championships

Gold - 2

Don't bother showing me the US results, ours are second only to Hungary.

The UK rules at sports that don't get shown on TV, strange really, if they showed more sports we're good at (Like canoe/kayaking, roller hockey, field hockey or even rugby) instead of sports we suck at (like cricket or tennis) it would improve nationwide morale a lot.

And those sportsmen I mentioned are

Brad Friedal/David Seaman - Soccer Goalkeepers
Greg Barton/Tim Brabants - Kayak Sprint
Eric Wynalda/Michael Owen - Soccer Strikers

(Edited by Moskitto at 9:10 pm on June 5, 2002)

lenin

5th June 2002, 21:34

" (Like canoe/kayaking, roller hockey, field hockey or even rugby)

yes but.....those sports suck!!!! most aren't even real sports!

the olympics and the world cup/ european championships are the only sporting events that count because the whole world watches them. now, we both the soviet olympic record is number 1. UK's record is pretty poor to be fair though. and as for world cups, 1966, and thats it. euro championships? england has never won!
england needs a massive cash injection for its sports program.

Moskitto

5th June 2002, 23:44

yeah they are real sports, If Snooker and Darts count as sports, then those easily do, they all require a high level of physical exertion. There's more sports we're good at, Snooker, Darts, Rowing, . We're also third in the all-time olympic medal standings.

And UK sport has just had a massive cash injection. It's called the World Class Start (which I scrounged my way onto), World Class Potential and World Class Performance Programmes. In about a decades time we'll have soccer players with the skills of the Brazillians because they've opened a soccer acadamy in Leeds with the help of Brazillian coaches. Then we've got a lot of young talent in other sports. The future looks good.

Capitalist Imperial

5th June 2002, 23:59

OH NO LENIN!!! You did not legitimately win basketball in 1972, we were robbed and everyone knows it. Do you have american TV?? Watch "3 seconds to glory" on HBO, it tells the whole story of how the US was cheated. Just like your russian skaters had to make a deal with a french judge to win in salt lake city. Besides, we were using college basketball players, yours were paid, if any russian team went against NBA (american professionals) players you would never even have close to a chance. USSR athletes paid and highly suspect of illegal steroids, we even saw it with russia in salt lake city!! US athletes all natural, amatures, not paid, no steroids. We rule the medal count at every olympics!! And our hockey win in lake placid was fair, not a cheat like in 1972 basketball!!!!

SU37

6th June 2002, 01:01

CI,Um....the average for height for an American is 5'7.many people are in 5'5,5'6 and 5'7 and 5'9 range really.I think the Russians are maybe taller then us Americans.

(Edited by SU37 at 8:02 pm on June 5, 2002)

Capitalist Imperial

6th June 2002, 01:07

Ctually, sweden is #1, then dutch (netherlands), USA now #3, possibly due to immigratioooon of asian/latin people, who tend to be shorter. But USA has best height/weight ratio, we are tall and large

SU37

6th June 2002, 01:18

Im not tall and large, and im not asian or latin at all.

Capitalist Imperial

6th June 2002, 01:27

You are the exception,maybe it is the irish in you!!! LOL, LOL

SU37

6th June 2002, 01:33

Im Irish.I rather be 5'5 then a 6'4 idiot that doesn't know his ass from his hand,And is a Capitalist asshole.

(Edited by SU37 at 8:36 pm on June 5, 2002)

Capitalist Imperial

6th June 2002, 01:39

LOL, make it 6'6", and I think it is you who is the idiot. You think soviet air defense and SAMS are so good, a west german kid flew a Cessna single engine prop plane right over western russia and the entire western soviet air defense system in the 80's, and landed in red square!!! LOL, LOL, wow, what a capable military the soviets had!!! LOL, LOL. I would expect 1 american military plane (U-2) to get shot down in thousands of sorties, but this west german civilian kid was flying a slow, unpressurized aircraft low, well within even visual range!!! How did he get to red square????

lenin

6th June 2002, 14:03

"US athletes all natural, amatures, not paid, no steroids. We rule the medal count at every olympics!!"

LMAO!!!! i suppose murice greene is 100% naturul??? i don't think so!!! the human body WAS NOT designed to run the 100 in 9.79!!! seriously though, you are really ignorant if you think USA athletes are not on steroids. i have admitted USSR athletes were/are on steroids. you should do the same. and as for not being paid, youll probobly find the income for a soviet athlete wasn't much more than a college kid with a student loan. i'll give you that about '72. but when you look in the record books, it will say USSR gold USA silver!!!! speaking of recoreds, i'll post a link to olympic medal tables, because where you got you "USA dominate every medas tables" is beyond me!!!!

ps i can't be fucked to get into a debate about the USSR military but you've been fed too much propaganda comrade. you think USA is number 1 in sports AND military??? i though i was the one born in the big, bad, propaganda filled USSR????

PaulDavidHewson

6th June 2002, 14:12

capitalist imperial,

A couple of years ago a Cuban pilot stole a Cuban Mig and landed it on a US airport. he flew under the radar of US air defences.
A few years later he used a small aircraft to fly under Cuban radar, picked up his familiy on Cuba and flew back to the US.

The US radars also have their flaws as you can see. Everyones radars can be bypassed if you know how to do it.

SU37

6th June 2002, 14:20

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 1:39 am on June 6, 2002
LOL, make it 6'6", and I think it is you idiot
Hmmm Im the idiot by you put "ol lol LOL" on every fucking post.Are mentaly retrated? I know you are 6'6 and a dumbass.

lenin

6th June 2002, 15:08

just looked on a website and it spretty much proves USA isn't number 1 on average size:
holland 6'1
norway 6'
sweden 6'
denmark 5'11
japan 5'5
vietnam 5'3
china 5'7
finland 6'1
germany 5'11
uk 5'9
FUSSR 5'8 (was 5'10 in USSR)
USA 5'9

that is for white american males BTW. USA might have biggest average wieght because 1/3 of the population of clinically obese!

James

6th June 2002, 15:39

You think soviet air defense and SAMS are so good, a west german kid flew a Cessna single engine prop plane right over western russia and the entire western soviet air defense system in the 80's, and landed in red square!!! LOL, LOL, wow, what a capable military the soviets had!!! LOL, LOL. I would expect 1 american military plane (U-2) to get shot down in thousands of sorties, but this west german civilian kid was flying a slow, unpressurized aircraft low, well within even visual range!!! How did he get to red square???

hmmm, i think you are missing the point that not that long ago several (not just ONE) jumbo's were hijacked, and flown into some of the tallest buildings in the US and the PENTAGON, this is with all you "star wars" systems and shit. Truth is, it doesn't really matter how much money and stuff you have. I think "nature will find a way".

James

Capitalist Imperial

6th June 2002, 17:57

Quote: from PaulDavidHewson on 2:12 pm on June 6, 2002
capitalist imperial,

A couple of years ago a Cuban pilot stole a Cuban Mig and landed it on a US airport. he flew under the radar of US air defences.
A few years later he used a small aircraft to fly under Cuban radar, picked up his familiy on Cuba and flew back to the US.

The US radars also have their flaws as you can see. Everyones radars can be bypassed if you know how to do it.

I agree, but the US air defenses are cheifly navy and other aircraft, the ussr claimed to have the most advance surface based air defense array, also, that cuban pilot landed in florida, he didn't fly over hundreds of miles of US territory like the west german kid did top the ussr. Also,I think in that instance that pilot had radioed US authorities and indicated hew was defecting,and we allowed him to land

Capitalist Imperial

6th June 2002, 18:06

Quote: from James on 3:39 pm on June 6, 2002
[quote]

hmmm, i think you are missing the point that not that long ago several (not just ONE) jumbo's were hijacked, and flown into some of the tallest buildings in the US and the PENTAGON, this is with all you "star wars" systems and shit. Truth is, it doesn't really matter how much money and stuff you have. I think "nature will find a way".

James

That was different, JAMES, those were hijacked US jets, they were expected to be in the air over the US and there was no expectation of a suicide attack as it had never happened before in the US. Much different than a citizen from an adversary nation flying a western plane right over soviet military defenses.

Capitalist Imperial

6th June 2002, 18:08

Quote: from lenin on 3:08 pm on June 6, 2002
just looked on a website and it spretty much proves USA isn't number 1 on average size:
holland 6'1
norway 6'
sweden 6'
denmark 5'11
japan 5'5
vietnam 5'3
china 5'7
finland 6'1
germany 5'11
uk 5'9
FUSSR 5'8 (was 5'10 in USSR)
USA 5'9

that is for white american males BTW. USA might have biggest average wieght because 1/3 of the population of clinically obese!

I would like to see this website. And some of us may be a little heavy, but we know how to use it!! I bet we have the #1 height/weight ratio, and are you sure that the stats were counting just white males???

lenin

6th June 2002, 18:30

it didn't say that it was just counting white males but it said the average height of an ameircan was 5'9 then it said the average black ameircan was 5'10 so i presumed the american figure was reffering to white americans.
to be honest, i'm not sure abut that site. it says the average height in russia is 5'8 and i don't agree with that. i'm 6' (5'11 1/2 actually) and i feel like a giant when i go to russia! i would say average russian height is 5'6 after end of soviet union (russian height/weight has fell dramitally since 1988!)
what do you think average american height/weight is?

Capitalist Imperial

6th June 2002, 18:59

Well, 5'9" sound about right for the US, but i think they may be figuring in latin and asian people, who usually are shorter in stature, but I am 6'6" (no exaggeration), and that is pretty tall here. I know since the ussr broke up average height has gone down, possibly from malnutrition and less health care??? By the way, I know the USA athletes use steroids too, I was just being competitive. The USSR medal count was always very good.

lenin

6th June 2002, 19:15

6'6! damn thats big! do you play basketball? or US football? i seen a US football game once and there were some HUGE players! i think they were offensive lineman or something. they were 6'6 and 350lbs!! and could run the 40 in 5 flat!!!! and STILL bench 225 for 30+reps!!! i think the game is boring, but i would never say that those boys aren't athletes.

Capitalist Imperial

6th June 2002, 19:21

Yeah, football players are big, strong,and fast. Did you watch the game on tv?? It is much better live. I, of coures, like it on tv, also, but i guess it is what you grew up with that you learn to like. I did play hoigh school football, and I wrestled, but now i play basketball at the local rec center just for fun, I am a huge Sacramento Kings fan!!!

James

6th June 2002, 19:53

over 80% of americans are classed as being over weight. Its a fact.

Capitalist Imperial

6th June 2002, 20:21

Yeah, I know, but those standards are weak.

By those standards, being "correct" weight means being a skinny, sickly bean-pole. Many americans do have a little bulk, but it usually goes with extra muscle and strenghth, too, and most americans are not grossly fat, we just like to indulge a little more, and have a little extra bulk. If you ask me, we usually look much healthier than the malnourished, pasty, skinnny look of most europeans.

lenin

6th June 2002, 20:29

80% americans overweight? that maybe so, but at 5'11 and 225lbs i would be classed as obese, but my waist size is only 33-34'. i do a lot of weightlifting which is responsible for my extra weight. a lot of americans lift weights. in fact, i'd say most american males have at some point lifted weights because it is encouraged in high school for athleitc purposes (i think, CI help me out here).
anyway what i'm saying is just because your overweight doesn't mean your not healthy. quite the opposite in some cases.

Capitalist Imperial

6th June 2002, 20:38

I totally agree, lenin, it is almost a must for american athletes. I still lift weights, as our somewhat materialistic, visually oriented culture prefers males to be larger and bulkier rather than skinny and waify.

Moskitto

6th June 2002, 22:06

Speaking of overweight Americans, when white men collonized near Mexico, an Native tribe got split between USA and Mexico. Those in Mexico are some of the leanest people in the world because they kept their traditional lifestyle and diet, those in the US on the other hand adopted an easier way of life and a more American diet and have since become the most overweight ethnic group in the most overweight country in the world.

But that doesn't mean that they're all rolling around on the floor, My town is the worst town for heroin in the worst county for heroin, but we're not a mass of druggies.

I'm 183cm (6'1) and 76kg (168 pounds) and i'm 16. I'm taller than most of the other diggers in the UK apart from Karl Yurkwich. But all the UK's diggers are really small, Michael Kolognis of Hungary in 98kg and Ledi Balciero of Cuba is about the same. Yeah and I do weights.