to all dutch comrades! - should post this in chit chat but i

[lenin]

who are the main football hooligan firms in holland? i've heard bad things about PSV and feyanoord?
i also heard that ajax are a firm of redskins (communist skin heads). is this true? me and a few freinds badly want to go over there because of the political rivalry with utrecht (who are fascists i believe). when are ajax playing utrecht or has the schedule not ben anounced?
any help will be appreciated comrades!

[Needssomeconvincing]

Don't know much about dutch hooligans but when in rome remember that roma are the communists and lazio are the nazi scum.In england they don't have political allegiances but Chelsea and Millwall are the worst,supposedly

[lenin]

thats true, lazio are the nazi fuckers and atalanta are the main redskin team. i seen a program on tv the other day where some atalanta fans put up a che flag and lazio started singing mussolini songs, the bastards!!!! i'd love to go over there to follow someone like AC (another redskin team) against lazio.
millwall are numer 1 in england. i've fought against chelsea and they have some hard fuckers. chelsea hooligans are fucking stupid though!!!! they do all this nazi saluting and then when it comes to elections, they all vote labour???? very strange.

[Hayduke]

Im a dutchman but not a football lover.

And I doubt any of the hooligan firms has political views over here.

[lenin]

what? you are dutch and you don't like football??? i've always been a fan of the holland national team. the total football of the 70's was awesome. players like cruyff, then van basten, rykaard, gullit and berdkamp in the 90's.
anyway, i went on the ajax hooligan website and it had a revolving hammer and sickle. and i'm pretty sure utrecht are fascists. i think ajax have a strong jewish community near the ground. this could be why there anti-fascists.

[PaulDavidHewson]

I agree with DDAY.

Though alot of individuals have political preferences of course and somehow strangly seem to share that political preference with other hooligans.

Alot of holligans here support Pim Fortuyn and can generally be marked as being extreme-right supporters, but usually this fades as the individuals get older and at this point they just think it's cool to be extrem-right supporters.

Hooligans aren't that organised here like in England.
But there are some small groups, like HJK (Haagsche Jongeren Kern).

[Hayduke]

Quote: from lenin on 1:12 am on June 1, 2002
what? you are dutch and you don't like football??? i've always been a fan of the holland national team. the total football of the 70's was awesome. players like cruyff, then van basten, rykaard, gullit and berdkamp in the 90's.
anyway, i went on the ajax hooligan website and it had a revolving hammer and sickle. and i'm pretty sure utrecht are fascists. i think ajax have a strong jewish community near the ground. this could be why there anti-fascists.


lol the guy heard them saying. SSSSUPER JODEN..... :)
Its nothing political.....

[Guest]

2 lenin:

There are ABSOLUTELY NO POLITICAL STRINGS attached to football hooliganism in the Netherlands. So I don't know who told you this crap about Ajax being left wing and Utrecht being fascist... it's not true. The only skinheads at Ajax are from back in the days since skinhead is no longer a present day style anymore in most of the Netherlands, although it is coming back a little.

Maybe your friend (or whoever told you) was confused a bit. There is a link between the jewish community that USED TO live mainly in the eastern part of Amsterdam (where Ajax grew up so to speak), Ajax and Amsterdam. That's why in the other firms started to call Ajax a jews club. This was later picked up by Ajax fans. Since then the star of David has become sort of a synonym with (hardcore) Ajax (fans). And since then other groups have adapted their behavior to that. Hitler salute and gas sounds... al that stuff has absolutely nothing to do with politics or anti-semitism. It has just become part of the Dutch scene.

And to the other Dutch bloke... yeah, a lot of football supporters supported P.F.... just like a lot of the rest of the country. And sure, you can find a lot of people who don't like Turks or Maroccans... but there is no real right wing activity in the Dutch supporters scene. Never really has been, never really will be. Good for us!

[Capitalist Imperial]

soccer hooligans are idiots

its a game, life goes on

[Moskitto]

English Football Hooliganism is not organized. From what I've heard from a Rangers fan (A Scottish team.) The Dutch are a lot worse and a lot more organized. English Football hooligans only really cause major trouble when they're abroad and this normally involves going on a rampage because England lost or because the Tunisian fans started throwing bottles at them. Sure they turned Dunstable into an inferno when England got knocked out of Euro 96, but fans don't get banned from visiting each others grounds like in Holland when Feyernood and Ajax got banned from each others grounds. And we don't stab people like in Turkey.

Edit: And yes, football hooligans are idiots who are the type of people who give the game the reputation of "a gentleman's game played by thugs." And what the fuck are these political strings attached to football hooliganism? I've heard about the Lazio fascism thing but not anything else.

(Edited by Moskitto at 12:45 am on July 16, 2002)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Moskitto on 12:43 am on July 16, 2002 And we don't stab people like in Turkey.

LOL, oh, you don't stab people! Well heck, then! You're almost saints!

[Moskitto]

Yeah you know, smashing up every shop you see, setting fire to whole towns, collapsing walls and killing about 50 people, That's just fine. But stabbing 1 person, no that's just taking it too far.

Seriously though, English football hooliganism is not organized.

Speaking of mad rampages, I once saw on police camera action a joy rider who drove through a suburb and caused 60 miles of destruction to everything that was on the road.

Then there was that guy in the US who was being chased because he had drugs so he started throwing the drugs out of his window, he was being video recorded.

[Edelweiss]

I'm not a hooligan, but a football fan and I know about the hooligan scene. Although many hools describe themself as unpolitical there is a whole lot of Nazi hooligans. I think in Holland it's even worser than in Germany. As the guest already mentioned, Ajax is a "jew club" for many dutch fotball fans, and when Ajax plays against clubs like Rotterdam a majority of the stadium crowd (!) makes sounds like leaking gas. Nazi hooligans are a part of the executional force of the fascists and therefore very dangerous. I don't know how left-wing the Ajax hools really are, but I can say that in Germany nearly all bigger cubs have Nazi hooligans. There are some exeptions like St. Pauli who has many left-wingers and punks as fans. When St. Pauli plays against clubs like Rostock (has many Nazi hools, like most of the east-German clubs) than there were regulary heavy clashes in the past.

[Guest]

Like I said before, what you are saying here about the Dutch scene is absolute bullshit.

Holland is about the only nation where the hoolies are just hoolies and not so called 'politically engaged' (nazi scum).

And what you say about Feyenoord-Ajax games is true... but this is a whole other thing, as I explained in my earlier post. Ajax is also not left wing. It might be hard for some people to comprehend, but politics is in no way an issue in the Dutch scene.

You can take the word of someone in the know or you can think you now better... suit yourself.