Provocation

[Enragé]

0. Exageration is key
10. The key is exactly that it must always be absolutely clear that agression comes from the side of the state and capital.
11. After this is clear, no problem in beating the shit out of state and capital. A revolution without rioting is, like a revolution without dancing, not worth having.

1. When the cops come by, wave at them, hope they stop, then wave again. Hope they get out of the car and make a fuss, if they don't, wave again when they continued driving, they will usually stop, again. Fun <3 Just don't give them the middle finger unless it is absolutely clear that the people next to you will kick the copper's asses.

2. At demo's, go talk to the cops, annoy them.

3. Tell them to keep a lid on their agression. If they say "If you keep quiet we will", say you just can't promise that.

4. At demo's, make yourself known and talk to people around you. No use in provocation if the only thing which in the end really does happen, is you winding up in jail and the media AT BEST reporting that some idiot[s]/idiotic group went out to "fuck shit up". This is exactly how the squatter's movement in the netherlands got crushed (i.e, it was justified by the moronic actions of the defeated squatter movement after the "Geen Woning - Geen Kroning" shit went down; they almost fucked up the coronation of the queen --> tanks rolling down the streets).

5. When it's us against the state, if the state wants to win, they will.

6. Unless, it's the servants of the state who say fuck you, mr. prime minister/president. This is exactly the way in which the Soviets came to power, the city was in control of the people, the army wouldnt move unless the Soviets signed the order. In reaction, all the government could do was expose itself for what it really was, a bunch of armed thugs, by hiring armed thugs to crush the rebellion. Then all it took was the red guard to finish the government off.

7. Share your ideas on how to fuck shit up without fucking up the people around you (unless they're cops or bourgeois).

[Marsella]

1. Riot when sober.

[Enragé]

^i don't know if i agree.

As long as there are enough drunk people it's irrelevant if you're sober or not, though ofcourse for the sake of efficiency being sober helps. Point is though, we're not fighting for efficiency, we're fighting to have some fun, and to fuck that up which fucks up our fun.

edit:
The problem with the anarchists is that they tend to, in the face of state repression, militarise their actions. Ofcourse, this makes alot of sense, when all you do is fighting the state on the streets. The problem however is clear, if you have been fighting the state for days on end in the streets, you've already been defeated. A revolution never happens through means of streetfighting alone, streetfighting can be the end of a process, but then rarely lasts any longer than a few hours, perhaps a day.

Also, as a side note, for anarchists who tend to bash the leninist left, i find it odd that whilst they frequently refer to trotsky's militarisation of labour as the great evidence which makes all trotskyites corrupt, that they jump the gun on militarisation themselves when it comes to fucking shit up.

Disclaimer: I be not defending trotsky, he should have been shot at sight when he did that bullshit.

[Marsella]

Marx said something on it, if I recall, in a letter to Engels, 1873.

'Engels, my brother from another class,

we haz got to get fucked up on the grog, and then revolt...if the lessons of the Paris Commune has taught as such, the working class cannot lay hold of the ready made bourgeoisie alcohol, they must smash it, and get pissed on cheap methylated spirits.

holler,

marxy.' :marx:

[An archist]

You say some wise things, brother NKOS, where did you get this from?

[Enragé]

Myself and my experiences during the Student (Scholieren) uprising late 2007, and the fucking up of a squat by the police i happened to be at.

On the latter: i have nothing against being all rebellious and standing there clad in black, and the anarchist squatters were remarkably organised
IN RETREATING

i.e, they just left after the riot police chased them away from the squat, while the half of amsterdam was watching.

[cragstein]

Hey everyne my name is craig and im from northern scotland and i live in north england. i have seen first hand the state of this country and the poverty in which some people live also as an aid worker i have seen some of the most horrible suffering that has been done by the hands of capatalism and the exploitation of thounsands of innocent people purley because of their race. as a consequence of this i have set up the RED FACTION which has a group in myspace (join it if you are interested) we are dedicated to securing our rights as communists, marxists and anarchists or whatever the case may be. we are also dedicated to eradicating the suffering enflicted upon the world by bush blair and the neo nazi right wing parties which are still aloud a voice despite being nazi scum. my group is not violent but we are realist we recognise that fighting is the only path to revoloution. we will not attack civilians and do not support needless killing but we do however belive in the defense of our people and the death of noninocent white supremacists and people who i have mentioned above. my plea to you is as a comunist or any of the other forementioned groups please join my group and lets take up arms against the y=tyrany of this world JOIN ME AND WE WILL FIGHT FOR A BETTER WORLD mail me if you are interested in joining or visit my myspace

[Enragé]

Hey craig, your group sounds great.

I'm not an expert on the situation in scotland, but there's bound to be other revolutionary groups around, contact them for support/tips. We're better off united (:

Also, putting some spaces between your wall o'text [paragraphs] usually means more people will read what you say.

[cragstein]

thank you for your support man whats your Email address? i will mail you and we can talk more directly and privatley. i was thinking if we can get alot of people at least 10,000 or less maybe 5,000 men and women then we could make begin a serious armed struggle for our own country.

like i said we do not promote needless violence but we do promote retaliation and the killng of Right wing scum BNP etc. i live in england but the situation in scotland has created some angry people i used to live there and have seen alot of sectarian violence. if you are seriously interested in joining then send me your adress and we will keep in touch.

once we have enough people we will conduct the excecution of right wing scum then make our demands. which are....

1. we want a communist state and our own country with our own laws , because we do not agree with current laws

2. we want all right wing partys and neo nazi groups banned and their followers imprisoned and or excecuted

3. we want the western governments to apologise and pay reperations to the iraqi people for the war crimes conducted there.

4. we want the western governments to intervene in current atrocities happenig across the globe

the reason we want our own country is because we want to start fresh and accept all people of and race, gender, sexuality etc and we want to stop the horrible suffering in the world.

[Enragé]

I'll PM you my e-mail address, add me on msn if you want.


i was thinking if we can get alot of people at least 10,000 or less maybe 5,000 men and women then we could make begin a serious armed struggle for our own country.


Err you could. Problem is, what would you gain by that? If you have 5.000 men and women (in fact, if you have a thousand anytime soon you'd be the greatest revolutionary in history) there are better things to do than blowing shit up. What we need is a popular revolt, not a bunch of self-appointed revolutionaries walking around in the highlands shouting revolution (ETA did that, Iraultza did it even better for as long they lasted, point is, the state fucked 'em up so bad they're nothing anymore).

Our strength is in numbers, your proposed tactics will lead to division of those numbers (the state will actually like it if you do what you claim you want to do, GREAT! some more people we can brand terrorists!). The Italian State actually helped this along during the socalled Strategy of Tension ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension ).


but we do promote retaliation and the killng of Right wing scum BNP etc

Contact AntiFa for that: http://www.antifa.org.uk/


if you are seriously interested in joining then send me your adress and we will keep in touch.


I'm not from scotland, I'm dutch (from the south that is ;) not like them cheap bastards up north! ... where i go to college xD)


once we have enough people we will conduct the excecution of right wing scum then make our demands

And that would yield... what?
The media will brand you as extremists and the state will pick you all up and throw you in gaol the first sight of trouble (probably before you even execute the first fash).
Also, executing fash para-military style leads nowhere.
Also, my brother used to be one, he now votes Socialist Party and is the biggest prole with even a fair deal of class consciousness.


1. we want a communist state and our own country with our own laws , because we do not agree with current laws


The term Communist State is a contradiction. Under Communism there IS no State.
As Lenin said:
"As long as there is a State there shall be no Freedom - When there is Freedom there shall be no State"

I, comrade, am all for freedom. Fuck the state.


2. we want all right wing partys and neo nazi groups banned and their followers imprisoned and or excecuted

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

If the State can do that to the right wing, they sure as hell can do the same to the leftwing (prepare for some internment not even seen in Northern Ireland in the 70's then..)


3. we want the western governments to apologise and pay reperations to the iraqi people for the war crimes conducted there

Nice. Don't forget Afghanistan, Northern Ireland etc.


4. we want the western governments to intervene in current atrocities happenig across the globe

That is what they're doing RIGHT NOW!

That's what started all the mess, and untill they STOP intervening nothing will ever become better.


the reason we want our own country is because we want to start fresh and accept all people of and race, gender, sexuality etc and we want to stop the horrible suffering in the world.

And the reason you don't is exactly that western governments started interfering in the shit of other countries (like scotland).

Also, why stop at scotland? Why not the whole of Britain? Same stretch of land no? Or are you bowing to the might of Roman imperialism which created the whole Scotland - England - Wales divide in the first place? (i.e the romans took "england", they couldnt take scotland/wales)

[Coggeh]

thank you for your support man whats your Email address? i will mail you and we can talk more directly and privatley. i was thinking if we can get alot of people at least 10,000 or less maybe 5,000 men and women then we could make begin a serious armed struggle for our own country.

like i said we do not promote needless violence but we do promote retaliation and the killng of Right wing scum BNP etc. i live in england but the situation in scotland has created some angry people i used to live there and have seen alot of sectarian violence. if you are seriously interested in joining then send me your adress and we will keep in touch.

once we have enough people we will conduct the excecution of right wing scum then make our demands. which are....

1. we want a communist state and our own country with our own laws , because we do not agree with current laws

2. we want all right wing partys and neo nazi groups banned and their followers imprisoned and or excecuted

3. we want the western governments to apologise and pay reperations to the iraqi people for the war crimes conducted there.

4. we want the western governments to intervene in current atrocities happenig across the globe

the reason we want our own country is because we want to start fresh and accept all people of and race, gender, sexuality etc and we want to stop the horrible suffering in the world.
Why ban right wing parties ? surely a real communist would know that people would appreciate the gains of the revolution enough not to go back to the right . their should be no suppression of any free speech unless its hate speech

[cragstein]

first of all i agree that intervention leads to more suffering but atrocities like darfur for example need to be stopped. my motive behind banning neo nazi groups is simple, i hate them and they should not be allowed to spread a genocidal message. also i want to fight back not engage in violence needlessly we will arm ourselves then make our demands and fight the any agression towards ourselves

[Enragé]

i hate them and they should not be allowed to spread a genocidal message

I'm sure you do and who doesn't around here. A key mistake of revolutionaries however is to mistake their personal opinion with that of the people around them.

Also, the point i made was one of strategy. If the government can ban neo-nazis, they can also ban commies.

[cragstein]

I understand what you are saying. i just happen to hold these views i do not expect my men to have the exact same views but i do belive that this western world and so called "democratic" society needs to be aware of whats actually happening in the REAL world and that suffering and death is something that many people live with constantly. this is my way of waking them up. i realise that you have different views to me which i respect however i think you would be a good member to our ranks.

notice how i dont refer to myself as the "leader" this is because we have no leader we just stand up for our opinion and want to be able to do our own thing without having to please a government. in most western societies people are shunned and or killed by the government for holding an opinion to the contrary of their agenda and at the same time they demonise anyone they attack. they have done this to justify some of the most despicable war crimes and atrocites and all with public support.

i am ashamed to live in a society which allies itself or thinks it is right to cause human misery on such a large scale and on top of that neglect the people they used as pawns in their oil money making game of monopoly. i hold some very strong views and i obviously dont think many people do but i am proud to be different and i will spark a revoloution you mark my words.

i live in england not scotland and we are going to be active everywhere that our numbers allow their is no limit.