Votes do you get to vote on things

[STALINSOLDIERS]

here one example, when the news says " the people that votes for the war on terrorism" but how many of you here in the u$ gets to vote im 18 i can vote but i havent got a single paper talling me if i can vote against the war on terrorism. i think only the rich that gets to vote just to protect there money...but i dont see alot of people voting like middle class or lower class...the whole point of this is that only the rich votes counts and only they can vote.....

[lenin]

exactly! look at the american 'elections'. the alleged most democratic country in the world, and the man with the most votes doesn't win! because USA isn't based on populism and the majority, it is based on the minority, the rich!

[PaulDavidHewson]

You vote for somoeone, that means that person will rule in your name with the vote you gave him.
Giving somone a vote is putting your trust into him.

Furthermore, Here in the netherlands people can actually co-decide on issues once the Referendum is fully passed. That way important decisions will be made by the people and not the goverment.

[Capitalist Imperial]

So many people misunderstand the American electoral college system. Bush won fair and square. Go research.

Also,if americans were to vote on everything our government legislates, we would be voting all day every day. And no one "voted" on the war, not even the wealthy. In a democracy representatives are elected to legislate issues, and they can guage the feelings, wants, and needs of their constituency (public opinion) through polls, and the media, and by the people calling or writing to them. The majority of americans support the war on terror.

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

Bush was able to munipulate and lie to the masses through a load propaganda. Hardly "fair".

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Mac OS Revolutionary on 9:01 pm on May 29, 2002
Bush was able to munipulate and lie to the masses through a load propaganda. Hardly "fair".

A predidential campaign is hardly "propoganda". Besides, at least we get a choice, unlike in communist nations.

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

A choice of which corrupt right wing maniac the American poeple want to best serve the intrests of few rather than society as a whole.

I don't wish to hear your jingoism.

[PunkRawker677]

"Besides, at least we get a choice, unlike in communist nations. "

Really? More people chose Gore, and Bush won. I dont care about your 'electoral college', MORE people VOTED for Gore than for Bush, and Bush won. Wheres the choice? you might as well not vote at all.. the majority didnt get the leader they voted for either way.

[Ernest Everhard]

just cause you don't agree with the choices doesn't mean they're not choices. Participatory democracy in the United States is not perfect, but it is close to ideal. First we must understand that the value embodied in American democracy is not one that places "democracy", or the rule of the majority above everything. Rather American democracy, or Republicanism, places the Constitutional order, or lawfulness above all else. In this respect while GW Bush may not have won the popular vote he did win the election in accordance to the electoral laws provided for by the Constitution of the US.
Secondly you guys must get it through your heads that most people the world over disagree with your world view. Not because they are uneducated or ignorant, or greedy, but because communism, despite your feeble insistances has failed. So there are no viable communist candidates in the US, or as you guys would say no viable left-wing candidates in the US (although you're wrong about that). The reason for this is not a concentrated effort by right-wingers to deprive you of your choice and silence those of your political persuasion, rather the dearth of commie candidates in american politics arises from the fact that the people, el pueblo, the masses, don't like communism.
There is a choice in american presidential elections. Moreover everyones' vote counts as much as they want it to. American democracy, or Republicanism, embodies Aristotle's notion of justice: equality for equals, inequality for unequals. If people want to be heard in America they need to vote, if they don't thats their tough cookie.
Rather than blame the corporations of soft money or the media for the inability of commies to perform well in American elections, you guys should attack the problem at the root, and thats the unrealistic, downright foolishness that Marx put forth in the Grundrisse and Kapital.

[Xvall]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 9:07 pm on May 29, 2002

Quote: from Mac OS Revolutionary on 9:01 pm on May 29, 2002
Bush was able to munipulate and lie to the masses through a load propaganda. Hardly "fair".

A presidential campaign IS propoganda. By definitions, a lot of things are propoganda. Propoganda is simply spreading a belief or idea to others, it's not always negative.

A predidential campaign is hardly "propoganda". Besides, at least we get a choice, unlike in communist nations.

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

"just cause you don't agree with the choices doesn't mean they're not choices. Participatory democracy in the United States is not perfect, but it is close to ideal. First we must understand that the value embodied in American democracy is not one that places "democracy", or the rule of the majority above everything. Rather American democracy, or Republicanism, places the Constitutional order, or lawfulness above all else. In this respect while GW Bush may not have won the popular vote he did win the election in accordance to the electoral laws provided for by the Constitution of the US. "

What a country.

"The reason for this is not a concentrated effort by right-wingers to deprive you of your choice and silence those of your political persuasion, rather the dearth of commie candidates in american politics arises from the fact that the people, el pueblo, the masses, don't like communism. "

Because of the anti-communist sentiment drilled into the american people during the cold war. Anti-Communism is basicly in the genes of Americans.

" There is a choice in american presidential elections. Moreover everyones' vote counts as much as they want it to. American democracy, or Republicanism, embodies Aristotle's notion of justice: equality for equals, inequality for unequals. If people want to be heard in America they need to vote, if they don't thats their tough cookie.
Rather than blame the corporations of soft money or the media for the inability of commies to perform well in American elections, you guys should attack the problem at the root, and thats the unrealistic, downright foolishness that Marx put forth in the Grundrisse and Kapital."

Care to give some examples?

(Edited by Mac OS Revolutionary at 6:53 am on May 30, 2002)

[Field Marshal]

you know what's funny? I just noticed Capitalist Imperialist's avatar. It's Darth Vader from the DARK SIDE!!! hahahaha. You chose the dark side you sick capitalist.

And your sig is about making war? to secure peace??? hahahaha

sorry about this.

And yes it is known that Gore recieved more votes than Bush. Explain that one Vader.

[Capitalist Fighter]

Field, according to the majorty of the members of this board, you are also a capitalist and even worse possibly a fascist who quotes Hitler.
In reference to the topic at least capitalist nations have elections. You voted in Russia for a minority party like the Bolsheviks to start a civil war? to start the terror? Who voted for Castro to be in power for 42 years and outrule 9 U.S. presidents? All power emantes from the top, elections are better then no elections.