Russia Joins NATO

[Capitalist Imperial]

This is perhaps one of the divinitive moments in world history, as the foundation of what was the most powerful communist empire ever concedes to a capitalist, democratic organization lead by the USA!!!

[Nateddi]

What is your point, CI?

Russia isn't communist, and if a Puting ink mark somehow means that people will be better off, I would like to here why. Do you honestly think that after 10 years of steady downfall in the quality of life for the average Russian, that somehow this shall help out Russians? Or is your point (as mensioned in the subtitle), to proove American imperialism?

What is it?

[lenin]

don't read too much into this. russia does not have veto powers and is only a junior member. russia will never fully join nato. we have only joined on this scale to combat terrorism. unfortuantly for russia, it will be a one way thing, we help USA in afghanistan and they still condemn our 'war crimes' in chechnya. i feel this was a bad move for putin as it will put his already falling approval rating down even more.

[Nateddi]

Do you support puting??

[lenin]

i did support him. he works well with the communists and is freindly towards the socialist past (keeping lenins mausuleum, soviet anthem etc). on most issues other than economy, he agrees with the communists. but now he is starting to go back on election promises. he is getting too friendly with the west, the economy is not improving and corruption hasn't gone. i'll give him a chance though.
speaking of corruption, have you heard about what is happening with the ukrainian communists? you are from ukraine aren't you?

[SU37]

The day Russia fully joins NATO is the day I win a million dollors and get the chick of my dreams,hahaha.Never happen,maybe Russia will stay in NATO for a few months or years at the most and most likely will drop out of NATO.My only answer to NATO is Fuck you and America.Putin will not stay in NATO for long.Keep dreaming CI!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from SU37 on 1:18 am on May 29, 2002
The day Russia fully joins NATO is the day I win a million dollors and get the chick of my dreams,hahaha.Never happen,maybe Russia will stay in NATO for a few months or years at the most and most likely will drop out of NATO.My only answer to NATO is Fuck you and America.Putin will not stay in NATO for long.Keep dreaming CI!

Yeah, ok, we'll see. You communists that envision a rebuilt Russia or Soviet union rising to greatness again are chasing pipe dreams. Czecheslovakia and Poland are now full members fo NATO, even rusia is a junior member, and all emerging markets are going capitalist/democratic, just concede to capitalism, it means freedom, opportunity, and democracy!!!! Not state control of your whole life!!!

[SU37]

You make me laugh,keep his up and you could be the best comdian on the net.Wake up..CI,Capitali$m is about money and thats all Capitali$ts will think about,money.

[Nateddi]

Democracy= government by the people
Capitalism = social darwinism / government by the bourgeois

Capitalist democracy is bourgeois democracy. Disagree on minor / social issues, while preserve the stake of the rich inside their social positions on economic issues.

[Capitalist Imperial]

but everyone has the same opportunity to compete for resources, not only a small privlidged few who get the resources 1st, then divide what little is left to the workers, who live verty poorly, like in communism

[Nick Mazurek]

Within NATO we need to end the US dominance. Every bows down to them. I do not agree with Bush on more-or-less anything and I think all countries need to stand up to them instead of sucking ass like Blair seems intent on.

[Menshevik]

If anything, this officially marks the end of the separation of East and West.

[lenin]

CI, you shouldn't comment on something you know nothing about. 'a rebuilt soviet union rising to greatness', what you fail to realise is that the vast majority of soviets want this! even the non-communists. a rebuilt soviet union is inevitable. i agree that we can never hold the power we did, especially in eastern europe. but a new USSR has to happen. capialism does not work in former communist countries. the soviet economy will always have centrally planned features. USA may be number 1 now, but all empires come to an end sooner or later.

[Angie]

Quote: from CI:
You communists that envision a rebuilt Russia or Soviet union rising to greatness again are chasing pipe dreams.Incorrect. In a country that is being rebuilt as we speak, it's just a simple, well-known fact that Vladimir Putin, neither a Socialist nor a Capitalist, cares more about Russia than he does about any other country of the planet, including America.

He is one damned proud Russian Nationalist. Were he to see that he was being co-erced into supporting things that are not in the best interest of his nation, he would back out of them pretty quickely. Has done plenty of times in the past, and I can't see him changing his tune any time soon.

[IzmSchism]

i thought that russia had not joined NATO, but were invited to sit in on their meeting??

[Menshevik]

yeh thats actually right Izm, Russia isnt full member.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Angie on 2:04 pm on May 29, 2002
Incorrect. In a country that is being rebuilt as we speak, it's just a simple, well-known fact that Vladimir Putin, neither a Socialist nor a Capitalist, cares more about Russia than he does about any other country of the planet, including America.

He is one damned proud Russian Nationalist. Were he to see that he was being co-erced into supporting things that are not in the best interest of his nation, he would back out of them pretty quickely. Has done plenty of times in the past, and I can't see him changing his tune any time soon.
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Putin bows to the US left and right, nuclear arms reduction, nato, western trade,Russia is slowly evolving into another subservient to the US, it is continuing to move towards capitalism, and will soon be completely under our control.

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

Putin bows to the US left and right, nuclear arms reduction, nato, western trade,Russia is slowly evolving into another subservient to the US, it is continuing to move towards capitalism, and will soon be completely under our control.
Unfortunate but true.

[Angie]

"and will soon be completely under our control. "

Resistance is futile, right? You must be so proud, darling CI. You sound like a psychotic moron in each and every post that you make. All you care about is that your nation is "superior", forgetting the idea of equality of the human race, rather that everything is under America's "control", to be toyed with as America sees fit. Let's just ignore the fact that millions of people die because your nation cannot keep it's noses out of everyone else's business. Millions of people who DESERVED to live as much as anyone else, but cannot because their existence runs diagonal to America's policies of global social and economic domination, and therefore must either assimilate or be destroyed.

Very, very logical, CI, it's the logic of a Borg. You have my applause. Take a bow, your lack of humanity is breathtaking.

[Capitalist Imperial]

More specifics please, angie, the people I have known to be directly responsible for killing millions of people were hitler and...hmmmm... stalin!! Oh, don't forget pol pot amd moussolini. All socialists and comminists, how utopian!!! Oh, and the star trek analogy was cute.

[STALINSOLDIERS]

fuck nato fuck usa.......what i think is that russia is using nato to go against terrorism like lenin said..i hope the next election the communist gets a stronghold.....for the communist in russia like yuri lenin or any other please keep my hopes up and telling more about the duma elections......i hope the CCCP comes back...i hope communism well rise all around the world..

[Menshevik]

Thank you SS, for another one of your brilliant posts.

[Moskitto]

You're not much of an atrocitologist are you.

Mussillini didn't kill millions, try a few hundred thousand.

Try Reading Rudolf .J Rummel or William Eckhardt's works.

Annother thing, Hitler and Mussolinni weren't socialists. Try reading "What is Fascism" or learning a little bit more about Hitler's industrial policies. Yes appealing to industrialists doesn't work when yuo take away their businesses.

Other Mass Murderers who have actually killed millions appart from the 3 you mentioned are.

Mao Zedung (China: 1949-76)
Chiang Kai-shek (China: 1928-49)
Enver Pasha (Turkey: 1913-18)
Hirohito (Japan: 1926-89)
Hirota Koki (Japan: 1936-37)
Ho Chi Minh (North Vietnam: 1945-69)
Kim Il Sung (North Korea: 1948-94)
Lenin (USSR: 1917-24)
Leopold II (Belgium: 1865-1909)
Nicholas II (Russia: 1894-1917)
Saddam Hussein (Iraq: 1969- )
Tojo Hideki (Japan: 1941-44)
Wilhelm II (Germany: 1888-1918)
Yahya Khan (Pakistan: 1969-71)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Moskitto on 10:35 pm on May 30, 2002
You're not much of an atrocitologist are you.

Mussillini didn't kill millions, try a few hundred thousand.



I understand that. I was attributiing the "millions" to hitler and stalin, pol pot and mousollini were afterthoughts.

Nazi Germany contained many socialist elements.

[Moskitto]

Nazi Germany contained many socialist elements.

so does the US. Free education is one of Marx's ten points.

[Capitalist Imperial]

I agree, the US education system is basically a socialist system, but education that is both free and mandatory dictates that it has to be. The US welfare system, and US social security also draw from socialist cues.

[IzmSchism]

CI again here we go pal, how do you figure that the US education system is a archetype of a socialist system, on the contrary there is so much evidence pointing to the fact that education is turning into a business....

[Capitalist Imperial]

ok, ismschizm, pal, how do you figure? The US education system from K-12 is public and state-funded/operated. There are private schools, yes, but those are just an option that a small minority of Americans use. How are our public schools becoming more of a business???

[IzmSchism]

well I guess I jumped the gun, I was more speaking from the POV of post-secondary school....then again....where I am from public schools are either sponsored by Coke...Pepsi....Subway......I do not think institutions like this should be in public schools