Symbolic reason supportinc the viewpoint that all true....

[komsomol]

If I dont change your viewpoint theists, i cannot understand your mind.

First, consider this, how many possibilities are there for a God, not just including the religions here on Earth but ALL the possibilities of the cults and whatnot.

Now just imagine there are only a card packs full of possibilities. A man asks you to pick just one card out of the 52, the card you think is the same as the one he picked from a seperate pack. Now with these odds 52 to one, do you really believe that your card is the right card. If you do its bloody illogical, and don't give me ,"But thats what faith is", lectures, its still bloody illogical.

[pastradamus]

well if its the wrong card than 6billion of us must be all wrong,that was really silly u know comparing god & poker.

well guys i got a full house,god,mohammed,budda,jah & jesus....lol

[komsomol]

Comparing God with a pack of cards was just my way of making it easier to understand. A lot of people find it easier to grasp things if they can imagine the possibilities as real objects. It wouldn't matter if I used a grapevine instead.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from MOLOCH on 4:52 pm on July 17, 2002
Comparing God with a pack of cards was just my way of making it easier to understand. A lot of people find it easier to grasp things if they can imagine the possibilities as real objects. It wouldn't matter if I used a grapevine instead.

HE'S RIGHT

[Mazdak]

Moloch= an enlightened individual.

Religion is one of the most foolish things ever. It was invented to explain the world 10000 years ago but now that we have science, it is no longer needed. How can religious "fundies" actually believe evolution never happened?! That is illogical but noah's ark isnt.

Although now we hear "it is only symbolizing something," go back 400 years and you probably would be burned at the stake for not believing it true.

[marxistdisciple]

The problem I see in religion is that it is a way of organising people's faith. Faith of course is nothing to do with an organised religion. Faith is personal belief, and as such can change with experiences a person has, or the people they meet. Religion is a way of catagorising peoples beliefs in order to give them a set of rules to follow. Of course, morals and ethics are very slippery subjects, and a lot of people find it difficult to decide these things in their own minds.

Religions give them a sort of rule book to turn to (sometimes literally), so they never have to think about these things themselves.

The same as in poker, religion has rules for people to follow. But in this case, the rules aren't based on logical principals, they are based on history, and dogma.

Religion is an effective way to create division and generalisation of people. This way it avoids people having to think about anything themselves which is pesky and time consuming. It also stops people questioning things. Like fundlementalists....they do silly things because they believe in something unquestionably that they never really thought about properly.

A bit like when you are at school and some people wonder why they have a to do a lot of the crap, and some people just accept it as "the way things are."

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Mazdak on 9:50 pm on July 17, 2002
Moloch= an enlightened individual.

Religion is one of the most foolish things ever. It was invented to explain the world 10000 years ago but now that we have science, it is no longer needed. How can religious "fundies" actually believe evolution never happened?! That is illogical but noah's ark isnt.

Although now we hear "it is only symbolizing something," go back 400 years and you probably would be burned at the stake for not believing it true.


Ha! We actually agree!

[Moskitto]

Or, how about this possibility.

How do you know that Allah, Bhrama, Holy Trinity etc are not the same thing like in Hinduism, Bha'Alai, Taoism... ?

[Anonymous]

Moloch is right! (CI finnaly we agree with something! ;) )

kmon people the inquisition is over! You can say FUCK GOD AND ITS RULES! and you wont get burned! some of the most intelegent people in the world are atheists! Nietzche was Atheist, Einstein was atheist etc ....

Btw beliving in Gods isnt cool anymore! It isnt romantic anymore, it isnt usefull anymore! Even the Mongols were Atheist! and they were primiteve! (although military genious!)

[red senator]

Quote: from Moskitto on 10:12 pm on July 17, 2002
Or, how about this possibility.

How do you know that Allah, Bhrama, Holy Trinity etc are not the same thing like in Hinduism, Bha'Alai, Taoism... ?


The belief that all gods are the same god is called henotheism. It is based on the idea that all gods are the same being, they are just revealed differently to different people. This is probably the most enlightened of all the religious views, and was the used by the ancient sumerians and probably even the predessecors of the sumerians.

[IzmSchism]

How can you be that ignorant and presumptuious to say that science has all the answers, I think the line that cuts Religion and Science is blurred, I agree with you on crazies, who believe in the stroy of creation and all that jazz, however you are still left with THE question, and as far as science has come it still cannot fill all the gaps.

[Moskitto]

The other response that non-henotheism can use with this analogy is "Hey, at least i've got a card."