Pearl harbour - the truth

[Anonymous]

Why was pearl harbour attacked? was it really a surprise attack? well let me see, its 1942 american president wants to enter the war, but the americans dont! know he starts an embargo to japan, and japan cant get gasoline to its planes and tanks, then the japanese war machine has no food! the american ambassador advises the gov. that the japanese will attack, he sends a code to pearl harbour to tell the boys in pearl harbour that they were going to be attacked, but when the message arrives the japs are alredy attacking! and why the hell would be half of the american fleet in the same island, without any protection? i dont know!(well.. maby i know!) all i know is that after the attack the american people wanted to enter the war and fight!!! the american president was playing WWII like he sow much wanted!! now doesnt this remind you guys about another attack, that is even more misteryous??? isnt the gov using the same procediment to start wars??? are they really defending themselfs??? think about it
and let the truth destroy America!!!!!!

[Edelweiss]

anarchist, you seem to have a conspiracy theory for every big history event of the oast 100 years, you are watching too much X-Files! :)

[Anonymous]

:smile: Its nor a teory its the true!!!!

[Guest]

you really make communists look even worse and desperate than they are

[Nateddi]

CI, he is an anarchist :)

[Guest]

he has a che "av"

[Anonymous]

CI shut the fuck up!!! you arent even registerd so just shut your FUCKING MOUTH, if you cant even have your own ideas dont attack others ideas!!!! are we cleared?? and if you are too dumb to read my nick you shouldnt even have a pc so just sit there and keep wacking you moron!!!!

[Guest]

I am registered, and how is it that you can be an anarchist with a che avatar, it is contradictory, don't get mad because i point out holes in your logic

[Hayduke]

Quote: from Malte on 10:56 pm on May 27, 2002
anarchist, you seem to have a conspiracy theory for every big history event of the oast 100 years, you are watching too much X-Files! :)


http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/upload/theface2.gif

Mulder : Whats this scully ?
THeres was more then just people responsible for the attack on the WTC ?
Afghanistan is bombed for nothing ? Onwards to the white house.

* case unclosed *

[Hayduke]

Quote: from Guest on 12:25 am on May 28, 2002
I am registered, and how is it that you can be an anarchist with a che avatar, it is contradictory, don't get mad because i point out holes in your logic



Pointing holes in someones logic by his avatar ?

And how come an anarchist can't have the picture
of a freedom fighter under his name ?

If you can't understand that part then go read the Anarchist FAQ
in the archive section.

[honest intellectual]

If you are such a fan of logic; why is your only argument: That's stupid. You're stupid. Pathetic commie.

Seriously, man what age are you?

[Anonymous]

In admire the man!!!!! i am anarchist but that doesnt mean i think only about anarchism, i am a left winger!! and i admire the man!!!! you dont even have a avatar!!!

[yuriandropov]

this is starting to get ridiculous! i am berated and banned for my 'jewish conspiricy theories', while others spout these US consipiricy theories that have no logic. i could easily say that many on this forum are racist towards americans!
pearl harbour was perpetrated by bastard imperialists! they attacked with no provocation to pursue there won imperialist aims. they were ruled by an emporer!
when i give a 'conspicicy theory' it has evidence, not just hearsay. give this shit a rest. 9/11 DID happen! the CIA WAS NOT behind it. there is a SLIGHT possibiblit in my mind that mossad were but it is a very long shot. pearl harbour WAS a suprise attack from japanese imperialists and they got everything they deserved! you know, sometimes, USA is not the enemy!

[VolareMIRCantare]

Back to the actual topic of the first post:

I believe that the Americans did know about Pearl Harbour and they let it happen because they needed a reason to get into the war.

EVIDENCE:

I was told this by my history teacher who is in the army. The most important ship in a navy is the air craft carrier because, ovbioulsly planes land and take-off on it and are an important part of an attack, they are also unarmed ships. When they are docked or in battle they are never bythemselves, they always have an armed ship accompaning them. The day of the pearl harbour attack the four air craft carriers that were docked there were off BYTHEMSELVES doing some sort of "training".
(yeah right) These ships never, ever, go anywhere bythemselves and all of a sudden on the day of the attack they are off bythemselves. Think about it. If that isn't enough to convince you I have more. The day of the attack a Japanese official was in the White House with a declertion of war and he arrived before the attacks took place. He was kept waiting for hours and when he finally officially declared war the U.S officials said your country just surprise attacked us. I have one more bit of evidence. The Japanese gave the Americans a 30 minute warning.

I know that a lot of people died that day and I think that they deserved to die but the American government allowed the attack to be a surprise and they could've saved lives but didn't.

[ID2002]

no...not really ANARCHIST: Pearl Harbour was a known target..and the US knew it! The US were so layed back and egotistical it ignored warning signs of a future attack.
The Japanese were famous for striking "first" because the US/Allied Nations were considered an threat to Emperor Hirohito for going against its economic/ military advisors in Germany.
japan believed to strike first..fast would equal victory. Quick like the Kami-Kaze...the divine wind that protects JAPAN.

[Angie]

"On October 7, 1940, Lieutenant Commander Arthur McCollum of the Office of Naval Intelligence submitted a memo to Navy Captains Walter Anderson and Dudley Knox (whose endorsement is included in the following scans). Captains Anderson and Knox were two of President Roosevelt's most trusted military advisors. The memo, scanned below, detailed an 8 step plan to provoke Japan into attacking the United States. President Roosevelt, over the course of 1941, implemented all 8 of the recommendations contained in the McCollum memo. Following the eighth provocation, Japan attacked. The public was told that it was a complete surprise, an "intelligence failure", and America entered World War Two."

Section 9 (Page 4):

It is not believed that in the present state of political opinion the United States government is capable of declaring war against Japan without more ado; and it is barely possible that vigorous action on our part might lead the Japanese to modify their attitude. Therefore, the following course of action is suggested:

A. Make an arrangement with Britain for the use of British bases in the Pacific, particularly Singapore.

B. Make an arrangement with Holland for the use of base favilities and acquisition of supplies in the Dutch East Indies.

C. Give all possible aid to the Chinese Government of Chiang-Kai-Shek.

D. Send a division of Long Range heavy cruisers to the Orient, Philippines and Singapore.

E. Send two divisions of submarines to the Orient.

F. Keep the main strength of the U.S Fleet now in the Pacific in the vicinity of the Hawaiian Islands.

G. Insist that the Dutch refuse to grant Japanese demands for undue economic concessions, particularly oil.

H. Completely embago all U.S trade with Japan, in collaboration with a similar embargo emposed by the British Empire.

Section 10 (page 4):

If by these means Japan could be led to commit a overt act of war, so much the better. At all events we must be fully prepared to accept the threat of war.

A. H. McCollum

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Pages of the Memo, declassified 1994, and reproduced at the National Archive: 1 (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/McCollum/page1.gif), 2 (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/McCollum/page2.gif), 3 (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/McCollum/page3.gif), 4 (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/McCollum/page4.gif), 5 (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/McCollum/page5.gif), 6 (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/McCollum/page6.gif).

[Anarcho]

If you look around, there have probably been similar memo's on how to aggravate pretty much anyone. In the Pentagon, there are teams that sit and figure out how to fight wars against anybody... Pakistan, Mexico, even the UK. Most nations have these.

In 1941, the premier weapon of the sea was a battle ship. Do a count on how many battleships existed, versus how many aircraft carriers. How many battleships were in production vs. aircraft carriers.

WWII brought about the revolution in Sea Combat that made the Aircraft Carrier Battle Group the "big stick" of the sea.

Also, keep in mind that a. both nations underestimated each other, due to racist thinking, and b. messages were done by hand. You didn't have a man typing up a letter and hitting send and sending it to the other side of the world.
I would dictate my letter
My secretary would send it to the telgram office
The telegram office would translate and transmit it
the receiving office would receive it at its destination
The message would be re-coded to english (from morse, or whatever was used).
The message would be delivered to the office of the recipient.

This doesn't take into account lunch, breaks, bad signals, faulty translation or rabid pant weasels.

I don't think the US set up or enjoyed the Pearl Harbor attack. It could have been prevented, yes, but I don't think the US planned it or had anything to do with it.

[Anonymous]

But wats the point to put half of the pacific fleet without any protection in stupid island?? its too stupid, i mean the us army can build atomic bombs but haves no military vison??

[Capitalist Imperial]

WE CAN ARGUE ALL DAY ABOUT PEARL HARBOR. Even if the US did "provoke" the attack the Japanese still made the decision to take action, and they are ultimately responsible.

[Anonymous]

Amerikkka new the attack was coming man, they wanted to use there wonderful A-Bombs......

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from honest intellectual on 7:54 pm on May 27, 2002
If you are such a fan of logic; why is your only argument: That's stupid. You're stupid. Pathetic commie.

Seriously, man what age are you?


Thats my point, I will not give a real effort responding to a submission without a logical premise. Besides, age doesn't matter, I've seen your posts, HH, and your dumb at any age.

[Anonymous]

why are you here capitalist imperial if your gunna call people stupid commies? your an idiot.

[Anarcho]

So the US knew that the Japanese would attack Pearl Harbor and would use it as an excuse 4 years later to drop weapons that were only an idea on paper at the time?

Look, I think it's pretty obvious that there are lots of points in history that are vauge. But some overwhelming conspiracy of the US behind every major event of the 21st century is ludicrous.

One could just as easily say that the creation of the USSR was helped by the US so that the US could have a large scale enemy. Sheesh.

[Menshevik]

Roosevelt knew there would be an attack, he didn't know when; he didn't know how; He didnt know where. How did he manage to plan Pearl Harbor? The aircraft carriers were on maneuvers and they werent entirely alone, they had destroyer escorts.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Call me crazy, but is it possible the carriers were on manuevers because that is what the navy does,"practice manuevers"? Especially when it was becoming apparent that the US would enter the war in some capacity. Besides all militaries always practice manuevers weather at war or not. That is what they do. Iknow this is not the most exciting explanation,but it is the most probable one.

[Menshevik]

I agree with you CI, thats what I was saying. There is no hard evidence that Pearl Harbor was planned by anyone but the Japanese.