the wtc was it a fake

[STALINSOLDIERS]

you know sometimes i think the world trade center was blowned up by the cia or something....like maybe they done it just to blame someone for the falling economy and so people wont mind about the bad economy but only the dead. and for another reason to take controll of the world to spread war ro slowly conquer it...and then they made a fake video of osama thinking he could have done it then the muslim world got crazy and wants war with usa...or if it was the real osama maybe he said that to be cool... who knows read between the lines uncle sam is a liar

[Nateddi]

Now why would the US target the center of American capitalism. I am sure many Bush supporting companies had important offices in that building.

[Xvall]

Don't think the CIA did it..
Probably allowed it to happen though..
And yes, one of the Bin Laden videos is a fake..
It became the laughing stock of the world..

[Nateddi]

I agree Drake, the current war on terror is the perfect capitalist war.

Buy lots of various weaponry, don't take many casualties, spend much money.

I wouldn't be surprised if the CIA knew of a very high risk (more likely than not), and than not have taken action. But no, ofcourse they didn't do it themselves.

[Guest]

This is capitalist imperial...

OK, at 1st, I thought you were just misguided politically, but now I see that you are truely idiots.

[VolareMIRCantare]

Here is a slight conspiracy theory which make sense if you think of all the details:

The U.S did cause 9/11 (which I wouldn't be surprised if they did) to start the creation of a one world governmnet. Apperantly what these people want is a disaster that will cause all the coutries of the world to unite together so they can stop the disaster or solve whatever problem it presented. Doesn't that make you think of when George Bush said that countries are either with the U.S or the terrorists. The U.S is forcing countries to choose sides. Of course most people would expect countries to be with the U.S and not the terrorists. If the world is headed towards a one government world 9/11 was a step towards it.

I know this sounds a little crazy but it makes sense, I'm not sure if I believe it though but its interesting to know.

[Guest]

Quote: from VolareMIRCantare on 3:43 am on May 27, 2002
Here is a slight conspiracy theory which make sense if you think of all the details:

The U.S did cause 9/11 (which I wouldn't be surprised if they did) to start the creation of a one world governmnet. Apperantly what these people want is a disaster that will cause all the coutries of the world to unite together so they can stop the disaster or solve whatever problem it presented. Doesn't that make you think of when George Bush said that countries are either with the U.S or the terrorists. The U.S is forcing countries to choose sides. Of course most people would expect countries to be with the U.S and not the terrorists. If the world is headed towards a one government world 9/11 was a step towards it.

I know this sounds a little crazy but it makes sense, I'm not sure if I believe it though but its interesting to know.

Translation: Ive taken way too much LSD.

How dear you pathetic lunatics dishonor the death of 3000+ americans with this infantile drivel. This truly reflects the idiotic thinking of some of you neo-commies (I won't even use regular "commie" because I won't even insult them as to put them into the same category as you dolts).

[STALINSOLDIERS]

hey it could be true usa will lie they well try anything to destroy all other and become 1 world government and to make money....and another thing that has been going on my mind for quite awhile do you think when usa falls and capitalism falls do you think usa well destroy the whole world with nukclear bombs bringing the whole world down with them....heh it juts my mind and it could happen i mean they do kill innocents when anyone tried to destroy like oil or factroy or anything that has to do with treatiung money.

[Xvall]

Well Capitalist Imperial..
Why don't you defend your American Crusade, and answer these questions..

1) According to one of the videos, the hijackers supposedly DIDN'T know they were going to kill themselves. Yet the FBI "supposedly" reported that they found papers in the hijackers luggage with plans to do so..

2) How is it four planes veer hundreds of miles off course without anyone noticing? Were the idiots at the control tower sleeping? Or a little suspicious?

3) A billion dollar national defence, and you can't stop a couple of foreigners with box cutters?

[Guest]

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 4:02 am on May 27, 2002
Well Capitalist Imperial..
Why don't you defend your American Crusade, and answer these questions..

1) According to one of the videos, the hijackers supposedly DIDN'T know they were going to kill themselves. Yet the FBI "supposedly" reported that they found papers in the hijackers luggage with plans to do so..

Some of the Hijackers did know, the leaders/pilots who were to actually fly the planes knew. The "muscle", those who just helped subdue the crew/passengers didn't know, they thought it would just be a hostage situation

2) How is it four planes veer hundreds of miles off course without anyone noticing? Were the idiots at the control tower sleeping? Or a little suspicious?

Control towers track incoming and outbound flights by radar, not the whole flight, once planes are out of designated range, they maintain radio contact only. There are thousands of planes in flight over the US at any one time. Even if a plane did veer off course, the tower would not have suspected a suicide mission, they would have probably assumed mechanical failure and the radio/transponder was not working. They would not have scrambled fighters to intercept, anyway.

3) A billion dollar national defence, and you can't stop a couple of foreigners with box cutters?

Actually, drake, i'm sure you understand they hijacked civilian planes loaded with civilians, who had no weapons of "national defense". These foreigners were well trained fighters. To make things easier for themselves, of course, the hijackers told everyone that they were going to just land the plane. If they told the passengers what they were really going to do they would have made it a lot harder on themselves. This was proven on flight 93. Passenders on flight 93 found out about the other crashes on their cell phones, and did do something, they stormed the cockpit and drove the 4th plane to the ground in pennsylvania after a struggle (that plane was headed for the white house), so those american passengers, not even military, did stop the hijackers when they discovered their true intentions. Yes, thats right, American civilians gave their lives to save others (including our president). They knew they may die, but they rose to a higher calling. You see, drake, that is what Americans are made of. Not all of this stupid shit some of the people in this forum talk, because that is just talk. Look at flight 93, and you see what americans are all about with action!!! Action speaks louder than words.

[RedRevolutionary87]

you never answered the first two questions...

no1 here said anything to counter american citizens, and them risking their lives to save their president only shows that they are sheep.

y werent the planes intercepted, or at least questioned?

you call it patriotism, i call it ignorance

[SU37]

Kinda funny,Americans with cell phones on flight 94 called there families and wifes and then put there cell phones away,but didn't call the US Air defense.Funny huh? CIA didn't blow up the towers,but the CIA let it happen and so did Bush.The 4th plane hitting its target would have been intresting!


(Edited by SU37 at 12:13 am on May 27, 2002)

[RedRevolutionary87]

lol ya isnt it funny how the plane destined for the white house never got there...

[Maaja]

In Russia the secret services are blowing up buildings so they could accuse Chechens (not to say that Chechens haven't done anything like that, but...) but I actually don't believe that CIA did that, they didn't.

(Edited by Maaja at 8:12 am on May 27, 2002)

[Mac OS Revolutionary]

Ever read a book called "Red Storm Rising"?

[Anonymous]

HOW CAN THE FBI FIND PAPERS ON A CRASHED PLANE? NO ONE SURVIVED AND THE PAPERS MADE IT GET REALL!!!!!! YOU ALL AMERICANS KNEW AMERICA WAS GOING TO BE ATTACKED AND YOUR GOV. DID NOTHING TO STOP IT!!!!! IT WAS LIKE THE PEARL HARBOUR ATTACK!!! YOUR GOV. KNEW IT AND INSTEAD OF PROCTET THE PEOPLE THEY PUTED ALL THEY COULD ON A UNPROTECTED ISLAND AN WAITED FOR THE JAPS TO ATTACK JUST TO START A WAR!!!!!!!

[Fires of History]

Quote: from Guest on 3:51 am on May 27, 2002

How dear you pathetic lunatics dishonor the death of 3000+ americans with this infantile drivel.


That's right. Only amerikkkan lives are important. 3,000 amerikkkans die and the entire world should do backflips of guilt and shock, even though amerikkkan policies around the world kill more than that all the time. Isn't it fun to wave flags and get all upset about something? Do you need a hug? Amerikkkans are just upset because their little shrink-wrapped bubble of security got popped. Well, you reap what you sow. Hate your leaders for their inept service, not the rest of the world to reacting to it.

About this thread, there is a common detective maxim used when investigating a murder: Who stood to benefit the most from the murder?

(Edited by Fires of History at 1:11 pm on May 27, 2002)

[yuriandropov]

although i think 9/11 was not a fake and that the CIA did'nt have anything to do with it, i wouldn't rule out mossad.

[James]

I found this somewhere, can't remember where. Well worth the 5/10 mins to read.


'Evidence' linking 9/11 to Arabs is a complete joke

(Sources which contributed to this articlce include the BBC, Telegraph, CNN, ABCNews and the Independent)


Seven of the WTC Hijackers found alive

Some of the men the FBI claims hijacked planes on Sept. 11 and crashed them into the World Trade Center in New York, the Pentagon, and Stony Creek Township, Pennsylvania are still alive.

No they weren't pulled from the rubble, they were never on the planes.

The FBI press release of September 27th, 2001 containing names, photographs, aliases and other information is seriously flawed. They have used these peoples names and made claims based on the fact they were pilots and other supposedly incriminating evidence and yet they were not involved. Places of birth, birthdays and other personal details were displayed on news throughout the world.

The FBI still lists these men as suspected hijackers who were killed during the assault, this is absurd. If this is the quality of the evidence they CAN present it is no wonder the public cannot see the rest.

7 of the 19 believed hijackers named are still alive.

Saeed Alghamdi, Mohand Alshehri, Abdul aziz Alomari, Salem Alhazmi
"It was proved that five of the names included in the FBI list had nothing to do with what happened." - Saudi Arabia's Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal told the Arabic Press after meeting with President George W. Bush on Sept. 20th

Saudi officials at the embassy were unable to verify the whereabouts of the fifth accused hijacker, Khalid Al-Mihdhar. However, Arab newspapers say Al-Mihdhar is still alive.

Saeed Alghamdi, Mohand Alshehri, Abdul aziz Alomari and Salem Alhazmi "are not dead and had nothing to do with the heinous terror attacks in New York and Washington." The Saudi Arabian embassy told The Orlando Sentinel.


Khalid Al-Mihdhar (Flight 77)

Alive: Saudi officials at the embassy were unable to verify the whereabouts of the fifth accused hijacker, Khalid Al-Mihdhar. However, Arab newspapers say Al-Mihdhar is still alive.

"..there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar, may also be alive. " - BBC 23rd September 2001


Waleed Alshehri (Flight 11) (Trained Pilot)

Alive: A sixth person on the FBI's list, Saudi national Waleed Alshehri, is living in Casablanca, according to an official with the Royal Air Moroc, the Moroccan commercial airline. According to the unnamed official, Alshehri lived in Dayton Beach, Fla., where he took flight training at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. Now he works for a Moroccan airline. On Sept. 22, Associated Press reported that Alshehri had spoken to the U.S. embassy in Morocco.

"His photograph was released by the FBI, and has been shown in newspapers and on television around the world. That same Mr Al-Shehri has turned up in Morocco, proving clearly that he was not a member of the suicide attack. " - Daily Trust 24th September 2001

"He was reported to have been in Hollywood, Florida, for a month earlier this year but his father, Ahmed, said that Waleed was alive and well and living in Morocco." - Telegraph

"Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well." - BBC 23rd September 2001


Abdul aziz Alomari (Flight 11) (Trained Pilot)
2 men with same name cobbled together into terrorist.

Both Alive
Omari Number 1: Mr. Al-Omari, a pilot with Saudi Airlines, walked into the US embassy in Jeddah to demand why he was being reported as a dead hijacker in the American media.

"a pilot with Saudi Airlines, was astonished to find himself accused of hijacking * as well as being dead * and has visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation." - Independent 17th September 2001

Omari Number 2: " a Saudi man has reported to authorities that he is the real Abdulaziz Alomari, and claims his passport was stolen in 1995 while he studied electrical engineering at the University of Denver. Alomari says he informed police of the theft." - ABCNews

"I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001

"The name [list] is my name and the birth date is the same as mine, but I am not the one who bombed the World Trade Center in New York," Abdulaziz Alomari told the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper.

"Alomari has since been found in Saudi Arabia and is apparently cleared in the case" - New York Times

"Saudi Embassy officials in Washington have challenged his identity. They say a Saudi electrical engineer named Abdulaziz Alomari had his passport and other papers stolen in 1996 in Denver when he was a student and reported the theft to police there at the time. " - BBC

"The second Abdulaziz Al Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines" - BBC 23rd September 2001

"Abdel Aziz Al-Omari and Saïd Hussein Gharamallah Al-Ghamdi, are well in life, the first in Saudi Arabia and the second in Tunisia for nine months." - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001


Saeed Alghamdi (Flight 93) (Trained Pilot)

Alive: "Saeed Alghamdi is one of three hijackers that US officials have said are linked to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network. "- BBC

No Yahoodi run BBC! Mr. Al-Ghamdi is still alive and well and at his job for Tunis Air

"I was completely shocked. For the past 10 months I have been based in Tunis with 22 other pilots learning to fly an Airbus 320. The FBI provided no evidence of my presumed involvement in the attacks." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001

"Asharq Al Awsat newspaper, a London-based Arabic daily, says it has interviewed Saeed Alghamdi." - BBC 23rd September 2001

"Abdel Aziz Al-Omari and Saïd Hussein Gharamallah Al-Ghamdi, are well in life, the first in Saudi Arabia and the second in Tunisia for nine months." - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001 [translate]

"..not dead and had nothing to do with the heinous terror attacks in New York and Washington." - Saudi embassy


Salem Alhazmi (Flight 77)

Alive: "Mr Al-Hamzi is 26 and had just returned to work at a petrochemical complex in the industrial eastern city of Yanbou after a holiday in Saudi Arabia when the hijackers struck. He was accused of hijacking the American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001


Ahmed Alnami (Flight 93)

Alive: "I'm still alive, as you can see. I was shocked to see my name mentioned by the American Justice Department. I had never even heard of Pennsylvania where the plane I was supposed to have hijacked." He had never lost his passport and found it "very worrying" that his identity appeared to have been "stolen" and published by the FBI without any checks. The FBI had said his "possible residence" was Delray Beach in Florida. " - Telegraph 23rd September 2001


Flight 11 (North Tower)
The BBC has reported that the transcript of a phone call made by Flight Attendant Madeline Amy Sweeney to Boston air traffic controls shows that the flight attendant gave the seat numbers occupied by the hijackers, seat numbers which were NOT the seats of the men the FBI claimed were responsible for the hijacking. (Khurasaan: the only thing that makes sense are the US government lies)


Others accused of being involed

Ameer Bukhari
"Ameer Bukhari died in a small plane crash last year. " - CNN Correction

Adnan Bukhari
"Adnan Bukhari is still in Florida" - CNN Correction

Amer Kamfar
"..that a suspect sought by the FBI, Amer Kamfar, was in fact an alive pilot in Arabia. " - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001




How dear you pathetic lunatics dishonor the death of 3000+ americans with this infantile drivel. This truly reflects the idiotic thinking of some of you neo-commies (I won't even use regular "commie" because I won't even insult them as to put them into the same category as you dolts).

I presume that your not calling my silly little names, but anyways; please don't be narrow minded.

The wtc happened on american soil. TRUE

3000+ people died. FALSE

3000+ Americans died. FALSE


Heres a little quote from an article i found on the net...

2-11-2

(AFP) - The official death toll in the September 11 terrorist attack on the World Trade Center has been revised steadily downward, and now stands at 2,843, city officials said Monday.

A high of more than 6,500 in mid-September has gradually declined as duplications have been discovered and people reported as missing have been found.



So please don't be a complete and utter wanker. Its not even as if it was ONLY americans that died. People from many countries died. so please, please, please don't pretend to talk for all those dead and all your nationalism crap. What i'm trying to get to is that you should shut the fuck up, untill you leanr the basics of talking without bullshitting all the time.

James

[Guest]

Quote: from RedRevolutionary87 on 4:59 am on May 27, 2002
you never answered the first two questions...

no1 here said anything to counter american citizens, and them risking their lives to save their president only shows that they are sheep.

y werent the planes intercepted, or at least questioned?

you call it patriotism, i call it ignorance


I did answer the 1st 2 questions, you just don't have good reading comprehension, red, go back and read my post carefully. And if you think that giving your own life to save the life of others makes you a sheep, I can see why communism fails. No one in your weak countries or systems is willing to take a chance, or risk anything. That is part of the reason the USSR failed, you had few patriots, because your system sucked!!! I've seen videos of russian citizens walking thru red square, they look half-dead already!!! The soviets weren't even allowed to listen to western music, beatles albums had to be smuggled!! Wow, great system!!! No wonder you don't understand patriotism. Your conspiracy theories sound so pathetic and idiotic, you just make yourselves look like typical anti-american lunatics grasping at straws just for an opportunity to attack the USA. "The CIA and American government let 9/11 happen, they were probably behind it"., LOL, LOL ,c'mon, man, look at what you're saying. Lets discuss something at least half-way intelligent, not this stupid, played out, spoon fed conspiracy shit, get real.

[yuriandropov]

'The soviets weren't even allowed to listen to western music, beatles albums had to be smuggled!!'

utter bullshit! i listened to plenty of western music inlate 70's and 80's.

stop basing your view on the USSR on a propaganda video. because if i based my opinion on USA from some of the soviet video's i saw, you would all be stealing, racist, red neck cowboys with no morals.

[Nateddi]

Quote: from yuriandropov on 7:03 pm on May 27, 2002
you would all be stealing, racist, red neck cowboys with no morals.

lol true

[Guest]

we are!!! LOL, LOL

[Guest]

yuri, r u telling me than the soviet population was mostly happy about their government during the cold war years??? Wy did you get so many defectors, while the us had 1000's of immigrants? We had our hands full accomodating newcomewrs, and your border were designed to force people to stay!!

[honest intellectual]

"OK, at 1st, I thought you were just misguided politically, but now I see that you are truely idiots. "

"Translation: Ive taken way too much LSD."

"How dear you pathetic lunatics dishonor the death of 3000+ americans with this infantile drivel. This truly reflects the idiotic thinking of some of you neo-commies (I won't even use regular "commie" because I won't even insult them as to put them into the same category as you dolts). "

That's a really strong argument you have there, Capitalist Imperial.
"Dolts", "idiots", "infantile", "pathetic drivel".
And at no point do you address the question of the attacks


"I did answer the 1st 2 questions, you just don't have good reading comprehension, red, go back and read my post carefully. And if you think that giving your own life to save the life of others makes you a sheep, I can see why communism fails. No one in your weak countries or systems is willing to take a chance, or risk anything. That is part of the reason the USSR failed, you had few patriots, because your system sucked!!! "


"The soviets weren't even allowed to listen to western music, beatles albums had to be smuggled!! Wow, great system!!! No wonder you don't understand patriotism. Your conspiracy theories sound so pathetic and idiotic, you just make yourselves look like typical anti-american lunatics grasping at straws just for an opportunity to attack the USA. "The CIA and American government let 9/11 happen, they were probably behind it"., LOL, LOL ,c'mon, man, look at what you're saying. Lets discuss something at least half-way intelligent, not this stupid, played out, spoon fed conspiracy shit, get real.

Beatles albums had to be smuggled into the USSR: Therefore the CIA were not behind the attacks. Aaaaaahhhhhhhhh

Yes, thats right, American civilians gave their lives to save others (including our president). They knew they may die, but they rose to a higher calling. You see, drake, that is what Americans are made of.


Ah, I see. I've been getting it all wrong. So the system under which everyone works for their own prfoit is the selfless one? Working for the good of your comrades is selfish?

If you feel you must try to defend your government, at least think about what you say. You are going into this argument looking for a way to prove us wrong. You find none, so you call us pathetic. Surely what you should do, if you find no evidence to support your views, is to change them?

[yuriandropov]

it depends what you mean when you say cold war years. the hight point of soviet living was in the early to mid 70's during 'detente'. when the cold war sparked up again in the early 80's with afghanistan and martial law in poland, all the money that went on consumer products, went on nukes again. this is when the long lines for commodities got longer and people started geting frustrated.

[honest intellectual]

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 3:29 am on May 27, 2002

And yes, one of the Bin Laden videos is a fake..
It became the laughing stock of the world..


More on this, comrade? I'm intrigued

[PaulDavidHewson]

ok, I've read half the bullshit on this utter bullshit thread.
Anyone who believes in that C.I.A. consipracy bullshit probably believes in other CIA consipracys as well(JFK and all) and probably also believes UFO crashed at Roswell.
They probably also have some radical explanation for Tanguska incident early 1900.
Hell, they probably believe Atlantis existed, etc etc.

Do You really really really think the CIA/FBI or other USA national/international bureau would risk the fact that they will be exposed if such a consipracy would ever reach the population???
Do you know what the consequences would be??

But don't let my comments disturb your little discussion, I'm havin a ball just readin this shit.

carry on.

[PaulDavidHewson]

ah, yes and the martin luther king consipracy. Almost forgot that one.

[maxfish17]

This isn't the first time I've read about the CIA possibly having a role in 9/11. The Green Party (Of Canada) has been saying it for months.

Bush has benefited from 9/11 more than anyone else. Here are just SOME reasons he could have been in on 9/11:

1. Justification for knocking out the Taleban and other arabic rulers in the "axis of evil" so that the United States is more free to get oil and gas

2. 9/11 helped his popularity a lot. Before 9/11 Bush was very low in the polls, but afterwards, and still now, he has a very high approval rating.

3. Justification for raising "Defence" spending. Everyone knows that the U$ and especially republicans want to spend a lot of $ on "defence" and this is justification for it.

There are actually many eyewitness accounts of Osama Bin Laden meeting with the CIA in July 2001 and before that.

God Damn America

[Anarcho]

At any given time in the air over the United States there are 32,000 civilian airflights. They have logged flight plans that chart the start-point, the end-point, and the rough path. These paths alter greatly to account for weather, turbulance, and pilot judgement. To have a plane move oddly is not unusual, and in fact happens everyday.

The US doesn't have any sort of history of attacks on it's soild from foreign aggresors. If something has never happened before, there is a sort of inertia of thought that makes one think it will continue to not happen...

Example: If I went to the UK, and set off a pipebomb in London, people would be upset, but not surprised. It happens there. They would curse the Irish, and get on with their lives.

If I went to Japan, and walked into a day care center and started shooting dozens of toddlers, people would be stunned, horrified, and then eventually start questioning... "How did this happen? Why? Who let it happen?"

The 9-11 attacks were a horrible thing, not just for the US but for the world. It's like if you have a big dog, who's kind of mean.... you have to be careful, or he'll savage you, but it's nice to have him around.

Then one day a poodle comes along and beats the piss out of him.

Note: I am not going into the arguement about the response, or the confusion of names. The name thing is perfectly understandable... open up an American Phone book and look for Adam Smith or Bob Jones....


Also, for those that are saying that papers couldn't have survived, you have obviously never been to a plane crash site. Or owned good luggage, or used a storage locker.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from honest intellectual on 7:44 pm on May 27, 2002

"OK, at 1st, I thought you were just misguided politically, but now I see that you are truely idiots. "

"Translation: Ive taken way too much LSD."

"How dear you pathetic lunatics dishonor the death of 3000+ americans with this infantile drivel. This truly reflects the idiotic thinking of some of you neo-commies (I won't even use regular "commie" because I won't even insult them as to put them into the same category as you dolts). "

That's a really strong argument you have there, Capitalist Imperial.
"Dolts", "idiots", "infantile", "pathetic drivel".
And at no point do you address the question of the attacks


"I did answer the 1st 2 questions, you just don't have good reading comprehension, red, go back and read my post carefully. And if you think that giving your own life to save the life of others makes you a sheep, I can see why communism fails. No one in your weak countries or systems is willing to take a chance, or risk anything. That is part of the reason the USSR failed, you had few patriots, because your system sucked!!! "


"The soviets weren't even allowed to listen to western music, beatles albums had to be smuggled!! Wow, great system!!! No wonder you don't understand patriotism. Your conspiracy theories sound so pathetic and idiotic, you just make yourselves look like typical anti-american lunatics grasping at straws just for an opportunity to attack the USA. "The CIA and American government let 9/11 happen, they were probably behind it"., LOL, LOL ,c'mon, man, look at what you're saying. Lets discuss something at least half-way intelligent, not this stupid, played out, spoon fed conspiracy shit, get real.

Beatles albums had to be smuggled into the USSR: Therefore the CIA were not behind the attacks. Aaaaaahhhhhhhhh

Yes, thats right, American civilians gave their lives to save others (including our president). They knew they may die, but they rose to a higher calling. You see, drake, that is what Americans are made of.


Ah, I see. I've been getting it all wrong. So the system under which everyone works for their own prfoit is the selfless one? Working for the good of your comrades is selfish?

If you feel you must try to defend your government, at least think about what you say. You are going into this argument looking for a way to prove us wrong. You find none, so you call us pathetic. Surely what you should do, if you find no evidence to support your views, is to change them?


Honest intellectual,I respond logically to logicall assertions, my comments about the USSR were in response to the subject that morphed from this original thread. Look at my posts that are factual/analytic, not just my fasicious responses to ludacric posts.

[honest intellectual]

You're doing it again. You call the theory ludacric (?) without saying why

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 3:12 am on May 27, 2002
you know sometimes i think the world trade center was blowned up by the cia or something....like maybe they done it just to blame someone for the falling economy and so people wont mind about the bad economy but only the dead. and for another reason to take controll of the world to spread war ro slowly conquer it...and then they made a fake video of osama thinking he could have done it then the muslim world got crazy and wants war with usa...or if it was the real osama maybe he said that to be cool... who knows read between the lines uncle sam is a liar


Blow up the WTC, the USA's larges economic epicenter, oh, and our military headquarters and the white house to help a problem with our economy? UMM,ok, well,that is on par with curing world starvation by spoiling all of the worlds extra food stores!!! Or to take contol of the world?? Yeah, and we are going to start in the resource and technologically rich, politically and strategically important country of afhanistan. Come on. Do you see, HH, what I'm taliking about??

[Ernest Everhard]

Thanks CI.

[Needssomeconvincing]

We socialists question capitalism and CI comes back with his idiot defence. Get a life,or an education. As for the 9/11 the CIA knew and did nothing because the idea was too stupid to be true.To say it is a new tacic is false also.True the WTC was the first time it worked but the Al-Quaida group planned to crash a plane into a nuclear power plant in France during the 98 world cup.They were stopped and the CIA was informed but did nothing to prevent further attempts.It is sad to see so many lives wasted by american ignorance,