A questio n I really like to see answered. - Come on cappies

[Hayduke]

Can you please explain this to me, cause as a simple communist I find it hard to understand.

Who is America to judge whats right and wrong ?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Can you be more specific? I think all governments try to decide what is right and wrong. I think the US, as the worlds most powerful nation, is often called on by others for help. It is funny that when nations want/need help, the USA is the 1st country they usually go to, When the US wants to ask questions about situations it is investing significant resources in, then it is somehow "judging". Your question, though, D-Day, is fair. Lets discuss some specific examples. Did you know, by the way, that your nickname represents one of Americas greatest war victories?(Not starting an arguement, just wondering)

[Hayduke]

Well lets take communism as example.
America is against it cause is takes away freedom right ?
BUt its none of their buisness to judge about communism.

And my name is just something I made up when I was
drunk......

[Anarcho]

I think that problem came about when 1- Early socialists and Anarchists were bomb throwing radicals in the teens and 20's, in the US and 2- When the USSR invaded and took over it's neighbors, in the name of peace and world revolution.

These things would make anyone nervous. The US had just finished helping end a big war in Europe that had started the same way.

Nowadays, the situation is much more vauge. But the other stuff is my opinion, however valid it may be.

[James]

Did you know, by the way, that your nickname represents one of Americas greatest war victories?(Not starting an arguement, just wondering)

OH YEY! another american who *knows* that america *won* the war, *all* on their *own*.

I hate to break this to you but D-Day was down to the allies. NOT JUST the americans. America couldn't have done it without the UK and vice versa...please don't be narrow minded (i know alot about the D-Day landings as well, because i lived near portsmouth for many years of my life...the D-Day museum was one of my favourite places to go...yes - i'm sad).

[Ctisphonics]

Hey, what happened to these guys, I was looking for posts from the beginning, and found this stuff (most was locked out).

Do they still come in sometimes?

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2002, 10:26 AM
I hate to break this to you but D-Day was down to the allies. NOT JUST the americans. America couldn't have done it without the UK and vice versa...please don't be narrow minded (i know alot about the D-Day landings as well, because i lived near portsmouth for many years of my life...the D-Day museum was one of my favourite places to go...yes - i'm sad).
Well you are right, D-Day was not only a achievement of america, and if america would have done it alone they would have failed, since they didn't have enough manpower nor the knowledge. So without the brits and the other allies they would have failed to achieve victory. And I am glad I see another soul that thinks the same way about me on that subject, altough many americans will say otherwise. But not all of them are as cocky as Cs ;)

Well america will always judge about certain things, like any other country. But it has no right whatsoever to condem certain things and desire everyone else agrees.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Why does the US play Lawmaker, Judge and Punisher of the World?

With the case of Iraq we have seen, US democracy in its purest form.

First the US decides that WMD's are forbidden for the "Axis of Evil". They are beeing lawmaker.
Second. The US represents "evidence" of Iraqi WMD's and judges them guilty.
Third. Iraq is beeing punished, a total invasion of Iraq and replacement of the anti-US beourgeosie by a pro-US.

The US plays Lawmaker, Judge and Punisher of the world, it's a fact. This makes the "system" ofcourse very vunerable for curroption and self-enrichment, like the old Monarchies did.

That's why in a democratic system there is a seperation between the 3 powers. They are all supposed to be independant of each other to prevent corruption and power abuse.

A nation who plays king on foreign area, can't possibly maintain a democratic system internally. Making the US fundamentally undemocratic.

Back to the question. Why does the US do it?

Simply for power. Their self-claimed roll as a fair judge and punisher is just an image maintained to fool the proletarian. Like the old European Monarchies claimed to be fair judges and punishers. Whose word was a dogma, since they were descendants from "god".

Gentlemen, what we are looking at is Modern Dictatorship.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by D [email protected] 23 2002, 08:07 PM
Can you please explain this to me, cause as a simple communist I find it hard to understand.

Who is America to judge whats right and wrong ?
America is like the Lord(in the fuedal sense) of the World. The lord has absolute control over it's serfs and the Lord decides the laws.

Now the only person who the Lord answers too is the king, in this case the king would be a definite line that the US can't cross. However King isn't watching the Lord 100% of the time so the Lord can beat his serfs as much as he wants, he just has to make sure he does it whent he king isn't looking

[Regicidal Insomniac]

Originally posted by Lardlad95+Oct 5 2003, 01:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lardlad95 @ Oct 5 2003, 01:01 PM)
D [email protected] 23 2002, 08:07 PM
Can you please explain this to me, cause as a simple communist I find it hard to understand.

Who is America to judge whats right and wrong ?
America is like the Lord(in the fuedal sense) of the World. The lord has absolute control over it&#39;s serfs and the Lord decides the laws.

Now the only person who the Lord answers too is the king, in this case the king would be a definite line that the US can&#39;t cross. However King isn&#39;t watching the Lord 100% of the time so the Lord can beat his serfs as much as he wants, he just has to make sure he does it whent he king isn&#39;t looking [/b]
The anology is quite true, as the stage of international politics is but a form of global fuedalism, an intricate system of master nations and serf nations. The corperate master nations create and brake the laws, and when a serf nation falls out of line, the master breaks (or bombs) it into bondage. It&#39;s a kind of global class struggle.

[Unrelenting Steve]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 23 2002, 08:01 PM
Can you be more specific? I think all governments try to decide what is right and wrong. I think the US, as the worlds most powerful nation, is often called on by others for help. It is funny that when nations want/need help, the USA is the 1st country they usually go to, When the US wants to ask questions about situations it is investing significant resources in, then it is somehow "judging". Your question, though, D-Day, is fair. Lets discuss some specific examples. Did you know, by the way, that your nickname represents one of Americas greatest war victories?(Not starting an arguement, just wondering)
I wonder if the DRC asked for help before the CIA judged Lumumba.

[swapna]

Yes,
Who is America to judge who should be the president of IRAQ?
Who is it to say who should rule cuba?

If US doesnt support saddam coz he is dictator why does it support Mushraff?

US is scared of communism. It knows if communism gains popularity, US will not have a chance to exploit other nations.Simply it cannot survive.

Is there any communist country US did not coup against to over throw the communist govt there?

[Loknar]

Well who was the Soviet union to occupy Afghanistan? Who were they to conquer the Ukraine?

And whop are you commies to push your liberal ideology on me?

[swapna]

/*And whop are you commies to push your liberal ideology on me?*/

Dont forget you are on a communist site loknar.

Well who was the Soviet union to occupy Afghanistan? Who were they to conquer the Ukraine?
Soviet union never occupied afghanistan. It helped them achieve freedom. Do you know afghan used to be before the communists were there.
There were no schools ,women are banned from coming outside the home,they didnt have any food. They only thing they did was smoking and smuggling opium.
The communist govt opened new shcools for women.allowed them to work and tried to imporve the country.
Anyhow US helped Bin laden to bring it back to the earlier Afghan (no schools,no work etc...)

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 05:43 PM
Well who was the Soviet union to occupy Afghanistan? Who were they to conquer the Ukraine?

And whop are you commies to push your liberal ideology on me?
No one here is pushing their "liberal ideology" in you.

Back to the original question, yankees really think they are the owners of the world.

Who are yanks to decide the world&#39;s destiny? Why do they pretend to be the only source of liberty, democracy and knowledge? Why do they contradict themselves so much? Why are they so discusting? Why do they have such a big army and they pretend to defend the "American way of life" when there is hardly any threat to it? Why did they do military interventions all around the world? Why do they, as such a "democratic"country they are, supported the Chile&#39;s military coup and some many other anti-democratic attacks and their presidents won the last elections ilegally?

So many questions, not many answers

They are imperialists, and hopefully that will kill them - FOR GOOD.

[187]

"It helped them achieve freedom."

Boy that sounds familiar.

"Soviet union never occupied afghanistan."

What?

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 05:43 PM
Well who was the Soviet union to occupy Afghanistan? Who were they to conquer the Ukraine?

And whop are you commies to push your liberal ideology on me?
Who said any of were justifying any Soviet actions?

is it a cappie habit to shift the subject to someone else?

Because the Soviets do it that means it&#39;s Ok for the US to do it? I thought the US was better than the Soviet Union?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2003, 05:43 PM
Well who was the Soviet union to occupy Afghanistan? Who were they to conquer the Ukraine?

And whop are you commies to push your liberal ideology on me?
Is it sudden if-they-do-it-I-do-it-too policy?

Aren&#39;t you supposed to be "better"? Or the good side? Because the USSR was part of the "forces of evil" :lol:

[Pete]

And whop are you commies to push your liberal ideology on me?

LIBERAL?? YOU FUCKING IDIOT&#33;

Man.. take on piece of respect from your pile.

Get your ideologies right.

Damn cappie sees the left as a shade of maroon or something.

*sighs*

That first line was a bit overreacted. But still. For fucks sack that MUST have been a typo?

[Vinny Rafarino]

No kidding pete, liberals annoy the shit out of me.

[Loknar]

El Infiltr(A)do

About you "forcing you liberal ideology on me, I meant that to mean after your revolution you would probably point a gun to my head and say "convert or die".

[Vinny Rafarino]

No, we will just clip you and save the headache of arguing.

[Loknar]

No, you guys would be fighting your selves before you get to me. Think about it, how many Maoists, Stalinists, Marxists and Trotskyists are there in the US? Your revolution will be fought in 2 stages, first, kill the cappies, then you will fight for Trotsky, Mao, Stalin ect.

[Anarchist Freedom]

it just iss this way the us thinks its a global police or something i mean cmon wtf


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:che:

[Pete]

Of course you ignore the over wings of the movement that are still radically leftist but not traditional.

[apathy maybe]

For those of you who still think that the USSR was communist, IT WASN"T&#33;&#33;&#33;
Neither is China or North Korea.

As to why the USA can act as global lawmaker, judge and punisher, well I guess it&#39;s because they have the big guns and just happen to have the same idiology as the other current major powers. Previously, (when the USSR was around), they had another major power which they would have had to goto war to act as police world wide. So they just acted as police in there portion of the world.

[pedro san pedro]

through the wto, companies and countries can sue states for having laws that are seen as barriers to trade -eg labour and enviromental laws, as happened to california when they tried to prevent dirty oil from bieng used and were sued by a canadian company, or as is happening to the e.u at the moment -the usa is claiming that the labelling of foods containing genetically engineered organisms (laws which a vast majority -over 90% of europeans want) represent a non-tarrif barrier.


GATS proposals contain new rules that will effectively give the WTO the power of veto of parlimentary and regulartory decisions. the proposed artical VI.4 negoations suggest that parlimentary decisions in all service sectors must pass a "necesscity test".
this test allows national laws and regulations to be struck down by a disputes panel if they are seen as being more burdemsome to bussiness than necessary.

this kinda feels like someone is pushing their ideals onto me.

and that it is not just the usa, but the capitalist as a whole that are setting out to "police the world" and deciding what laws are to be "policed"

[Pete]

as happened to california when they tried to prevent dirty oil from bieng used and were sued by a canadian company

I never would have put it past them, but you know the Canadian government has been sued for the same reasons by American companies o.O

[pedro san pedro]

yeah, just giving that as an example. venuzuala, aside from being hard to spell, has also sued the usa in the past.

[Augusto]

The thing that everyone here must realize that America, like every other nation on this planet, can judge what is in its national interest and act accordingly. The reason why I think most Americans agree with the actions of their government is not because they are brainwashed, but because americas actions reflect what is in the best interest of their people. It would be pretty far-fetched for you guys to argue that the actions of Saddam Hussein&#39;s Iraq could be judged equally to those of the United States, because you&#39;d be saying that the Baathist regime was equally responsive to its people as the American government. As a matter of fact it would be far fetched to equate the actions of Castro&#39;s Cuba with those of the US.
I read somewhere that it wasn&#39;t america&#39;s right to judge other nations&#39; "choice" to be communist. The problem is that a statement like that misses a few important facts. First, most nations that went communist have majorities or significant portions of their population that preferred death or exile or in the best cases, siding with the US, to communism. Secondly that statement ignores the reality of history during the cold war by disregarding the other active player on the world stage, the USSR. What right did they have to chose that other nations should be communist?
Ultimately, all countries act in their national interest. America shouldn&#39;t be blamed for doing what other countries do. Rather it should be judged by whether its actions are in the benefit of its countries.

[Scalawag]

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Let other countries defend themselves. Do they want democracy? Let them fight for thier own freedom. If they really want to be free then they will fight. Otherwise, they deserve to be slaves.