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spartan
24th March 2008, 16:51
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/24/venezuela


Peruvian leaders cry foul as Chavez expports healthcare

· 400,000 Latin Americans take up free surgery offer
· Humanitarian schemes are political front, says Lima

The plane door opened and the elderly visitors, all visually impaired and in some cases blind, shuffled out slowly and carefully into Venezuela.

Disease, age and poverty had stolen their eyesight but now they were in the land of Hugo Chávez and that was about to change. A scheme called Misión Milagro - Mission Miracle - had flown them here from Peru for free surgery which would transform their lives.

A portrait of Venezuela's president gazed down from the airport terminal. "It is thanks to Chávez we are here," beamed Rosario Vilcavilca, 88, a peasant farmer in a traditional highland skirt.

Mission Miracle has helped 400,000 impoverished Latin Americans see again and cast Venezuela's revolutionary leader as the region's humanitarian benefactor.

Critics, however, see an agenda behind this and other Venezuelan-linked initatives. They claim Chávez is trying to export populist leftwing rebellions and further tilt the region away from US influence.

Peru waded into the fray last week by accusing Venezuela of funding Peruvian militants under cover of humanitarianism. It said dozens of anti-poverty centres which have sprung up across Peru to promote Mission Miracle, among other schemes, were fronts for political agitation which may have fuelled protests against the government's free market economic policies.

Many centres were linked to a radical leftist organisation known as the Continental Bolivarian Committee, claimed the prime minister, Jorge del Castillo.

"No sovereign country needs to accept actions of other sovereign countries that are done under the table" he said. "Venezuela should act through normal channels."

The president, Alan García, has backed a congressional investigation into the allegations that Chávez is trying to destabilise one of South America's few centre-right governments.

Peruvian police have arrested nine suspected militants who allegedly received cash and directions from Venezuela via leftwing allies Bolivia and Ecuador. Most of the suspects were said to be former members of the Túpac Amaru Revolutionary Movement, a guerrilla group which had faded since the 1990s.

The anti-poverty centres, whose bank and telephone records are expected to be checked, deny any agenda beyond helping people access education and healthcare.

Venezuela's ambassador to Lima, Armando Laguna, said Caracas was not offering financial or ideological support to Peruvian militants and said if Peru had proof it should expel him.

There is an unashamed political tinge to the eye-surgery visits to Caracas. Patients are greeted at the airport by officials wearing T-shirts with revolutionary slogans and ushered aboard red buses.

Some of the Peruvian arrivals said their gratitude to Venezuela's president would boost support for Ollanta Humala, Chávez's Peruvian protege who narrowly lost a presidential bid and has vowed to run again. "We're all Chavistas on this bus. Viva Humala!" said Santiago Sanchez.

But it did not add up to subversion. These elderly Peruvian visitors, stricken with cataracts, glaucoma and other ailments were about to have their sight restored courtesy of a pioneering initiative to spread the benefits of Venezuela's oil wealth. Upon returning home they would sing Chávez's praises but seemed unlikely to foment rebellion.

Venezuela also denied another Peruvian allegation - that Venezuela's new embassy in La Paz, Bolivia, would stir indigenous unrest across the region. "It will be a simple building, bigger than the one we have at the moment as we need more space but the rumours about it being a place for training and propaganda are completely false," said Luis Oblitas, a diplomat.

There is no doubt Chávez is seeking to project his influence across South and central America and the Caribbean. He is estimated to have spent up to £18bn on foreign aid largely through subsidised oil and soft loans. He has also promoted trade deals to lure nations out of Washington's ambit.

The question is whether he is breaking laws and infringing sovereignty, something the US practised for decades by sponsoring rightwing coups and shoring up dictatorships.

Opposition movements in Bolivia, Ecuador and Nicaragua claim Chávez has made clandestine payments to their governments to shore up his anti-American alliance. Prosecutors in Argentina are investigating a suitcase filled with $800,000 in cash allegedly destined for the election campaign of President Cristina Kirchner, another Chávez ally. Both vehemently deny it.

More seriously, Colombia has alleged that Venezuela's president gave, or planned to give, $300m to the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (Farc). Chávez has scorned the claim but makes no secret of his sympathy for Marxist guerrillas who are deemed narco-traffickers and terrorists by Europe and the US.

Hawks in Washington want Venezuela added to the US list of state sponors of terrorism, bracketing it with Iran and North Korea. So far the Bush administration has demurred rather than risk disrupting Venezuela's oil flow.

For impoverished Latin Americans such as Luis Nieto, a 67-year-old Ecuadorean who is almost totally blind and has been shortlisted for surgery through Mission Miracle, the politicking is irrelevant. "If Hugo somehow benefits, fine, good for him." What matters to Nieto is having his vision restored. "If I can see again," he said, a smile creasing his face. "Now that, that would be something."

Thoughts?

It seems to me that the Imperialists and their puppets will just about use anything to try and make an enemy look bad, even when that so called bad thing is helping treat people with curable illnesses for free when they otherwise couldnt afford medical care in "good" countries like the US and Peru.

It says alot about the current state of Imperialism when they have to sink this low to critiscise an anti-Imperialist state.

Bright Banana Beard
24th March 2008, 17:07
Are they stupid? Helping people around the world is equalivant to political crisis? Fucking greedy bourgeois.

Yazman
24th March 2008, 17:07
At face value this sounds like a good program, although I can't say I know enough about it in order to make an informed judgment.

This is going to sound somewhat like a scathing attack. I am not pro-reformist although I am not sectarian enough to condemn Venezuela's "project" uniformly and am still willing to support what has been done there. Although oftentimes I am left questioning just what is being done, if anything at all.

What seemed like revolutionary-tinted ideas in Venezuela seem to have turned into a load of hot air and nothingness in the midst of the failure of the constitutional reforms to pass a referendum. Although it was a failure of only 1-2% which is hardly a large enough margin to warrant doing nothing -clearly at least half the country supports this and so something needs to change.

In time we shall see how things pan out, but this particular project is one that I support nonetheless. Critics would call it an "unjustified projection of Venezuelan influence outside it's political sphere" and if we claim that patients will come out of surgery without a changed opinion of Venezuelan policy, whether positively or negatively so, then we would be kidding ourselves as these things cannot be conducted in a vacuum.

Venezuela may possibly gain further support internally and externally as a result of this program although it is entirely possible for the media to put a negative spin on this as you can see by their linking of the program to external issues like possible Venezuela-FARC relations.

That's all for now, maybe more thoughts later.

chegitz guevara
24th March 2008, 18:25
As for those arrested "terrorists..."


March 22, 2008

PERUVIANS ARRESTED FOR PARTICIPATION IN BOLIVARIAN CONFERENCE

Rights Action is extremely concerned about the current violations of
fundamental human rights in Peru , particularly the right to freedom
of opinion and expression and the right of peaceful assembly and
association. Following their participation in an internal and public
congress of the Boliviarian Continental Coordinator (CCB) in Quito ,
Ecuador from February 24 to 28, seven members of the Peru chapter of
the CCB were detained upon returning to Peru on terrorism charges.
All are currently in prison, awaiting their legal trial in which they
could face up to 20 years in prison. Six of the seven are women, four
of these over fifty years of age, and one is known to have cancer.

Rights Action encourages letters (sample at the end of this message)
to be sent to Peruvian authorities.

BACKGROUND

On February 29 seven Peruvians (Arminda Valladares Saba, Melissa Roc?o
Pati?o Hinostroza, Guadalupe Alejandrina Hilario Rivas, Maria Gabriel
Segura, Carmen Mercedes Asparrent Riveros, Roque Gonz?les La Rosa and
Damaris Velasco Huiza), were arrested in the department of Tumbes on
the border with Ecuador by Peruvian police as they returned to their
country after participating in a meeting of the Bolivarian Continental
Coordinator (Coordinadora Continental Bolivariana - CCB) which took
place in Quito, Ecuador from February 24 to 28.

The seven, members of the CCB Peruvian chapter (CCB-P), were initially
detained under suspicion of Affiliation and Collaboration in
Terrorism; the public prosecutor's office has since formalized this
charge based on their participation in the CCB meeting in Ecuador .

The CCB is a public forum that brings together civil society
organizations interested in promoting the "Bolivarian Revolution" in
Latin America . The Bolivarian Revolution is a political concept
based on a call for Latin American unity, socialist political ideals
and the promotion of widespread protest activities as a means of
resistance to global capitalism, and has been inspired by the movement
in Venezuela .

According to media reports, some participants in the CCB meeting in
Quito discussed protesting the Latin American-European Union (ALC-UE)
and Asian Pacific Cooperation (APEC) international summits to be held
in Peru in May and November, respectively. In statements to the
Peruvian press, Peru 's Attorney General claimed that plans for
terrorist activities were discussed at the CCB meeting, an assertion
that seemingly refers to the protests to coincide with the ALC-UE and
APEC summits.

CURRENT SOCIAL UNREST IN PERU
In recent months a series of protests have taken place in Peru against
policies of the current government of President Alan Garcia, whose
approval rating in polls hovers around 30%. Protesters reject
government policies related to the eviction of communities from their
agricultural land and territories, water privatization, and
concessions granted to gas, oil, mining, and lumber companies as well
as other free trade initiatives to sell Amazon lands to foreign
companies engaged in these extractive industries.

4 DEAD; 150 ARRESTED
In response the Peruvian government has implemented draconian
legislation to limit protests. On February 18, Peru 's campesino
organizations convoked a national protest which was suspended on
February 20 after four protesters were killed and approximately 150
arrested. Though civil society organizations called for an
investigation of the killings, denouncing that among a series of
repressive legislative measures enacted to deter protests is a decree
which provides impunity to police who kill while deterring protests.
Other measures include a prohibition against the participation of
mayors and authorities in protests, a measure directed particularly
against local campesino, indigenous and non-indigenous authorities who
have been elected at the local level.

"THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE"
Peruvian officials have categorized current social protests, including
those against the proposed Law for the Promotion of Private Investment
in Reforestation and Agroforestry ? without irony named by President
Garcia as "the Law of the Jungle" --, as violent actions promoted by
terrorist organizations associated with the subversive groups of the
past and the Venezuelan government.

This proposed law facilitates the sale of Amazonian lands to lumber
companies. In reference to this initiative, President Garcia has been
quoted as stating, "Taking advantage of our timber and reforesting is
a way to generate jobs and attract investment. We live in an
ideological world that says the Amazon cannot be touched, because it
is part of the idyll of primitive communism."

THE ON-GOING CHALLENGES IN POST-CONFLICT PERU
The Peruvian government publicly asserts that current protests are
promoted by members of the armed revolutionary movements who were
active during Peru 's internal armed conflict (1980 -2000) in an
attempt to equate those that protest now with the subversive groups of
the past.

These statements, and the related press reports, only serve to
aggravate social and political tensions as Peru continues to deal with
the conflicts' on-going impacts including efforts to search for
justice for the over 69,000 people killed during the conflict,
according the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, implement a
collective reparations program, and legally try former President
Alberto Fujimori and other political figures from his 10-year
presidential term (1990-2000).

Hundreds of people who were sentenced for "terrorism" for their
affiliation with the two subversive groups during the conflict-- the
Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso- SL) and the Tupac Amaru Revolutionary
Movement (MRTA) -- continue to serve prison sentences which range from
15 years to life. With the current "terrorist" scare, those people
that have been released on parole or after having served their time
(on the average after 14 years or more in prison) face even more
challenges to reincorporate into their society. No law exists to limit
their participation in political life; in fact upon serving their
sentences, they have all the full rights as any other Peruvian citizen
including that to freedom of opinion and expression and the right of
peaceful assembly and association. Nonetheless, former prisoners are
stigmatized and subject to suspicion.

Earlier this year, government officials stated that they would release
a list naming all the people who had served time (including those
acquitted and pardoned), which would be a clear violation of the right
to freedom from discrimination.

One of the seven participants in the CCB meeting arrested on February
29 is a former prisoner who completed his 15-year sentence. His
status as a former prisoner has underpinned government official's
statements linking the CCB to "terrorism" as well as sustaining the
legal charges against all seven Peruvians.

PART OF A REGIONAL CONTEXT: COLOMBIAN CONFLICT AND HOSTILITIES TOWARD VENEZUELA
Following the February 29 arrests of the seven Peruvian citizens,
Peruvian officials began claiming that members of Venezuela 's
government were involved in promoting the CCB and supporting the FARC.
These accusations come at a particularly sensitive moment, as the
internal armed conflict in Colombia continues to have a great impact
on the neighboring countries and people in the Andean region.

On March 1, Colombian military troops entered Ecuador to carry out a
raid on a FARC camp, killing one of its highest commanders and
approximately 20 other people. Reports have circulated in the
international press that information linking the FARC to the
Venezuelan government was collected during the raid. Both Venezuela
and Ecuador stationed armed forces along their Colombian border, and
have denounced the incursion as a violation of sovereignty and an
action carried out with the support of the United States government.

In the US , there have been calls to place the Venezuelan government
on the US government list of states that sponsor terrorism, a step
which would escalate tensions with Venezuela and greatly aggravate
fears of a covert or overt armed intervention by the US in Venezuela .

These recent events have occurred in a context in which the Venezuelan
and Ecuadorian governments were promoting dialog with the FARC focused
on achieving the release of hostages held by the FARC. In January of
this year the unconditional release of two hostages was achieved
through efforts spearheaded by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and
with the assistance of the International Committee of the Red Cross.
In February a similar operation, called "Path to Peace", achieved the
release of four more hostages.

Understanding that the recent detentions respond to delicate regional
and national contexts, and have no legal basis, Rights Action solicits
letters of protest against the detention of the seven Peruvians
(Arminda Valladares Saba, Melissa Roc?o Pati?o Hinostroza, Guadalupe
Alejandrina Hilario Rivas, Maria Gabriel Segura, Carmen Mercedes
Asparrent Riveros, Roque Gonz?les La Rosa and Damaris Velasco Huiza).

PLEASE SEND LETTERS

To the following persons express your concern that the Peruvian
government is violating fundamental human rights through the
incarceration of its citizens for participating in a political
meetings and protests. This distortion of the concept of terrorism to
include social organizing and protest undermines the essential
principals of democracy and human rights.

High Commissioner for Human Rights
United Nations
Telephone: +41 22 917 90 00
Email: [email protected]

President Alan Garcia
President of the Republic of Peru
Palacio de Gobierno
Plaza Mayor, Lima 1, PER?

Embassy of Per?
United States of America
1700 Mass. Ave, NW
Washington DC, 20036
Tel : (202) 833-9860
Fax: (202) 659-8124
e-mail: [email protected]

Embassy of Per?
Canada
130 Albert Street Suite 1901
Ottawa , Ontario , Canada , K1P 5G4
Tel: 613-238-1777
Fax: 613-232-3062
e-mail: [email protected]

* * *

To Whom It May Concern:

I am extremely concerned that the recent arrests of Peruvian Citizens
Arminda Valladares Saba, Melissa Roc?o Pati?o Hinostroza, Guadalupe
Alejandrina Hilario Rivas, Maria Gabriel Segura y Carmen Mercedes
Asparrent Riveros, Roque Gonz?les La Rosa and Damaris Velasco Huiza,
in Tumbes on February 29 on charges of of Affiliation and
Collaboration in Terrorism constitutes a violation of fundamental
human rights and undermines democracy in Peru.

In detaining its citzens for participation in a public, civil
political event, the Peruvian government is violating fundamental
human rights through the incarceration of its citizens for
participating in a political meetings and protests.

This distortion of the concept of terrorism to include social
organizing and protest undermines the essential principals of
democracy and human rights.

Sincerely,

Dominicana_1965
24th March 2008, 19:16
The Peruvian rightist state has previously accused Chavez before during a natural disaster (a earthquake, I believe) where they received aid from Venezuela & Cuba.

These attacks come after a plummeting popularity for Alan Garcia (28%) and various actions by the working-class in Peru. In recent weeks the working-class of Peru shut down Machu Picchu (transportation which is owned by UK-Rail), a airport along with many institutions to demonstrate their opposition to a free trade agreement with the U.S. and privatization of Machu Picchu, increasing cost of living and privatization of gas and mine fields. Alan Garcia calls these workers, students, farmers (which 4 were killed, among hundreds arrested/wounded) "terrorist unions". The Peruvian rightist state claims they're trying to attack their free-market economic policies but the reality is that past massive demonstrations in Peru have shown that around 60% of Peruvians have claimed that they prefer a economy with more state interference.

The only one that is influencing a destabilization of the Peruvian state is the administration of the capitalist Peruvian state itself.

Guerrilla22
24th March 2008, 23:07
Venezuela is providing services that the Peruvian government is either unable to or unwilling to provide, how terrible. :glare:


Peruvian police have arrested nine suspected militants who allegedly received cash and directions from Venezuela via leftwing allies Bolivia and Ecuador. Most of the suspects were said to be former members of the Túpac Amaru Revolutionary Movement, a guerrilla group which had faded since the 1990s.


These unfounded accusations against Chavez, the Venezuelan government are getting old.

BIG BROTHER
25th March 2008, 02:43
oh my god! WTF! Since when is it wrong to help out people whose countries doesn't provide the necesities for them. If anything they should be thanking Chavez for taking care of something they should be doing.

And actually I do hope that this programs do help people develop some conciones(is that how it's spelled?)

Dros
25th March 2008, 03:10
long live the Sendero Luminoso.

Hit The North
25th March 2008, 03:41
Hasn't he nicked this idea from Michael Moore?

Brilliant bit of propaganda, nonetheless :thumbup1:

Raisa
25th March 2008, 04:53
Man fuck Perus state, they cant even help their people so this is what they do.
Sorry ass motherfuckers!

And nobodys stupid they see that shit for what it is......no pun intended!

Faux Real
25th March 2008, 05:05
This sounds like a great initiative on Venezuela's part. Good for the patients.

BIG BROTHER
25th March 2008, 06:10
long live the Sendero Luminoso.

I would consider them more like a religious cult, than a revolucionary force.

palotin
25th March 2008, 06:58
Those underhanded lefties! Why being nice to people might just catch on and then where would we be?

Herman
25th March 2008, 09:22
This goes to show how the South American oligarchy capitalist class hates it when healthcare is free, so they can't make any profit from it.

Peru is simply another pawn in the US imperialist game, and in itself has a capitalist class which is content with keeping the population under poverty and degradation.

Dros
25th March 2008, 14:47
I would consider them more like a religious cult, than a revolucionary force.

That's unfortunate for you.

What exactly do tehy worship?

chegitz guevara
25th March 2008, 16:04
long live the Sendero Luminoso.
Didn't they abandon the struggle?



What exactly do tehy worship?

Teh word of Chairman Gonzalo.

BIG BROTHER
25th March 2008, 16:20
That's unfortunate for you.

What exactly do tehy worship?

Yep, presidente Gonzalo is pretty much their god.

And responding to chegitz: yea most of them have been captured, killed, or abandoned the struggle, only a small fraction remains fighting, although not much of them has been heard lately.

BobKKKindle$
25th March 2008, 16:48
Yep, presidente Gonzalo is pretty much their god.How, exactly? What evidence do you have to support this assertion? To dismiss the Shining Path as a "religious organization" shows a failure to account for the achievements of the SP in the areas where they have been able to attain political control, through peoples war, as well as the social composition of the movement.

The resilience of the SP, in the face of government repression, and the capture of their leader, is an expression of the desire of the Peruvian peasantry for land, and, in the case of coca farmers, protection from the interference of the central government. The SP has allowed women to obtain divorce without the consent of a male partner, and has encouraged women to stand up and voice their opposition to abuse by their husband. Education (which is considered a key priority) is provided in Quechua, the language of the peasants. All of these advances mean that we should support the SP, and promote the continuation of peoples war against the Peruvian state.

How can you expect someone to treat you seriously if you don't provide any evidence to support your position? It makes you seem foolish and poorly informed.

Comrade Castro
25th March 2008, 17:06
Yeah, i've heard that Sendero Luminoso has like 300 guerrilla fighters left or something like that, but that was like 2 years ago. They might have grown or shrunken since then. But anyone who at least claims to be leftist and fights against Peru's disgusting, racist government can't be bad.

chegitz guevara
25th March 2008, 18:39
anyone who at least claims to be leftist and fights against Peru's disgusting, racist government can't be bad.

Quoted for truth

BIG BROTHER
26th March 2008, 02:21
How, exactly? What evidence do you have to support this assertion? To dismiss the Shining Path as a "religious organization" shows a failure to account for the achievements of the SP in the areas where they have been able to attain political control, through peoples war, as well as the social composition of the movement.

The resilience of the SP, in the face of government repression, and the capture of their leader, is an expression of the desire of the Peruvian peasantry for land, and, in the case of coca farmers, protection from the interference of the central government. The SP has allowed women to obtain divorce without the consent of a male partner, and has encouraged women to stand up and voice their opposition to abuse by their husband. Education (which is considered a key priority) is provided in Quechua, the language of the peasants. All of these advances mean that we should support the SP, and promote the continuation of peoples war against the Peruvian state.

How can you expect someone to treat you seriously if you don't provide any evidence to support your position? It makes you seem foolish and poorly informed.


Maybe I'm foolish and disinformed, I have never claimed to know it all. And perhaps you're right about Sendero Luminoso. Now this video is proof of my claim that Sendero Luminoso more than a revolucionary force is more like religious cult dressed in red.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYKp7xl7vKs&feature=related

Would you mind also showing me the proof of your claim about Sendero Luminoso's achivement.(what you said about education, etc)

Dros
26th March 2008, 03:15
Maybe I'm foolish and disinformed, I have never claimed to know it all. And perhaps you're right about Sendero Luminoso. Now this video is proof of my claim that Sendero Luminoso more than a revolucionary force is more like religious cult dressed in red.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYKp7xl7vKs&feature=related

Would you mind also showing me the proof of your claim about Sendero Luminoso's achivement.(what you said about education, etc)

http://www.revmedia.net/tpsp.html

Saorsa
26th March 2008, 03:56
Maybe I'm foolish and disinformed, I have never claimed to know it all. And perhaps you're right about Sendero Luminoso.

No maybe or perhaps about it bro.



Now this video is proof of my claim that Sendero Luminoso more than a revolucionary force is more like religious cult dressed in red.


Um... No it isn't. A group of female prisoners of war who have taken control of the cell blocks they live in and run them on a collective, socialist basis, and march in disciplined, military formation singing revolutionary songs has nothing to with being a "religious cult". They put those performances on in order to maintain the prisoners revolutionary spirit and to use as propaganda for visiting journalists.

BIG BROTHER
26th March 2008, 04:39
I'll admit that drosera's video has changed my perception about Sendero Luminoso.

Now responding to Alastair, the thing that makes them look as a religious cult is the way they talk about presidente Gonzalo and how they carrie a picture of him and burn what loos to be lie incienso(i don't know how to say that in english), I mean it greatly resembles a catholic church prosesion.

But before you or drosera say anything else let me say that at least thanks to drosera's video I've seen that inded the peasants who are living(or more like were) under sendero luminoso seem endeed better off, and not only that but they don't resemble the woman in my video.

Saorsa
26th March 2008, 06:05
I'll admit that drosera's video has changed my perception about Sendero Luminoso.


It's good, isn't it? There's a lot of good stuff on revmedia.



Now responding to Alastair, the thing that makes them look as a religious cult is the way they talk about presidente Gonzalo and how they carrie a picture of him and burn what loos to be lie incienso(i don't know how to say that in english), I mean it greatly resembles a catholic church prosesion.


OK, I see where you're coming from now. There is some validity to your critiscisms - the CPC did build an excessive cult of personality around Chairman Gonzalo, making him out to be an invincible, brilliant, all conquering genius, and as a result when he was captured in 1992 it dealt Sendero a massive blow from which it never recovered, and as a result it is effectively dead today.

The negative effect of the cult around him can be seen by the fact that after his capture (and probably under the effects of torture and deprivation), Chairman Gonzalo issued a call on TV to the Sendero fighters to lay down their arms and abandon the people's war. Because he had been made out to be a virtual god, huge numbers of CPC fighters obeyed, and the people's war was destroyed as a result. (There must be other factors, but there has not been a major study of the collapse of the people's war in Peru, as far as I know. It'd be fascinating to read if there was one...)

I'd advise that you read "Sendero Luminoso - The World's Deadliest Revolutionary Force" and "Shining Path - A History of the Millenarian War in Peru" if you want to find out more. While they are written by anti-communists and as such many of their claims and conclusions must be treated with caution, they are still fascinating and inspiring books to read.

Sendero Luminoso were one of the greatest revolutionary movements of the 20th century, and while we can look back on their achievements with pride and take inspiration from them, we have to recognise that SL is dead and we have to move on and look to the future. Nothing would please me more than for the People's War to reemerge in Peru, but I don't see that happening any time soon...

Cheung Mo
23rd April 2008, 02:39
My thoughts? Waddya know? Another member of the Socialist International is whining about socialism again. Next thing you know Daniel Ortega will ban lifesaving abortion procedures. Oh wait a minute...