Bush stands firm on Cuba embargo.

[Hayduke]

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/05/20/...bush/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/05/20/cuba.bush/index.html)

Well Carter did what he could,

But Bush ruind it all, its nice to play boss of the world aint it Bush ?
All we can do now it wait for the response of Cuba

[Capitalist Imperial]

A "response" from cuba? What are they going to do, let anoth 1000 exiles desperate to leave that oppressive regime over here?

[Nateddi]

I just watched the speech, its sickening.

[elizquierdista]

Sickening doesn't begin to describe it. Every time he metioned "democracy", I couldn't help but remember the times when U.S. interfered in elections and when they overthrew democratically elected governments. Democracy for who?

[SU37]

Bush's speech makes me sick,very sick.


(Edited by SU37 at 4:20 pm on May 20, 2002)

[Capitalist Imperial]

A "response" from cuba? LOL, LOL, LOL

[SU37]

I think its time for the Russians to place a few FROG-4's with Nuclear Tipped noises and A Few SA-400's there and well see how big and bad Bush is then.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/frog4-003.jpg


(Edited by SU37 at 4:33 pm on May 20, 2002)

[Capitalist Imperial]

SU-37, The russians would never make it ashore, do you remember the cuban missle crisis? We sent the blockade, sent kruschev home with his tail between his legs, even his own cabinet knew it, eventually leading to his losing power. This time, Russia wouldn't even dare, and you know that. By the way, SU37, US HAWK SAM system much better than soviet counterparts, but we never had to use them in combat, russia would not dare fly over US airspace like we did to them with U-2 and SR-71 all the time.

[RGacky3]

Bush is sush a stupid idiot. How many totalitarian states does the U$ trade with, vary many. Then why is bush so anti cuba, why does he hold a grudge. Its becouse its socialist. No other reason. watch if the cubans elect a socialist government in the USA will fuck it up again, they will keep doing that untill a cappie government of any kind takes over, even if its a dictatorship.

BUSH MAKES ME SICK, HE SHOULD BE HANGED.

[Capitalist Imperial]

I'd be surprised if that ex-soviet nuke even still works, soviet missle maintenence was poor

[PaulDavidHewson]

Cuba needs the US, not the other way around.
So if Cuba wants the US to be lenient, they better be ready to be lenient as well.

I'm not advocating the embargo, I'm just trying to view at it from the US perspective.

[Capitalist Imperial]

PDH, interesting signature, do you agree with it? If you do what is the logic??? Last time iraq tried to mess with the U.S. we decimated their military, and cuba just exists because we allow then too (not starting an arguement, just trying to understand fidel's "math").

[Capitalist Imperial]

whoops... "iran" and cuba, oh, well, still, even worse logic on Fidel's part, nowadays iran is weaker than iraq (thanks in part to the U.S.)!!!

[PaulDavidHewson]

no, my signature is sarcastic of course ;)

[SU37]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 10:00 pm on May 20, 2002
SU-37, The russians would never make it ashore, do you remember the cuban missle crisis? We sent the blockade, sent kruschev home with his tail between his legs, even his own cabinet knew it, eventually leading to his losing power. This time, Russia wouldn't even dare, and you know that. By the way, SU37, US HAWK SAM system much better than soviet counterparts, but we never had to use them in combat, russia would not dare fly over US airspace like we did to them with U-2 and SR-71 all the time.
FROG's are sortrang nukes ,to stop like an American invasion of cuba.Also the Soviet Missiles in Cuba in 1962 could reach all of the United States and some of Canada.A Nuclear Missile lunch would give American a 5minute warning before the missiles would hit.Also every time that U-2 was over Soviet air space it .Every time it flew over Soviet airspace it was tracked by Soviet radar and the Soviet's took action in May ,1960 and shot down that U-2.That blockabe was just blocking the ships with weapons.If Americans opened fire ,those Soviet missiles that were operational would have been fired.Also 5 minutes is not a nuff time respone and get Bush to safety.Also there is a rumor that a Soviet aircraft stayed in American airspace for 2 hours and wasn't tracked or fired at by the so great HAWK SAMsystem.Patriot anti nuke Misssile only works when 5 or 4 missiles are lunched at a time.90 or even 40 or 50 missiles would be to many to aim at and hit.I don't know why America wants a Anit Missile sheld.America gives birth to the A-bomb and H-bomb and now wants defesne agaisnt them cause there enemy's got them and they if they go to war they will get a taste of there own medcine.Kinda fun huh?
An EMP bomb would destroy American tanks and computers on the battle field.Suddam sould but reserach into creating a EMP missile that will spread the signal.Suddam is a crack pot so we will not see that,But Russia is a different story.

[Capitalist Imperial]

US military computers have some surge protection from EMP, i don't think it would be totally effective, but EMP would not totally disable us, 1 U-2 did get shot down out of many, and they were tracked, but sr-71 never tracked, to fast, not detectable on radar, and 5 min is very short, that is why we made ussr remove missles from cuba, otherwise we would have initiated full nuclear strike, our theatre-range missles were in turkey, just as close to ussr as ussr missles in cuba were to usa, and hawk missle system very effective vs iraqi airforce by kuwait ( I know russian aircraft diff story but HAWK still would be effective), we will have global missle shield fully operational very soon.

[Angie]

Got to love an article that states the following:

"All elections in Castro's Cuba have been a fraud," Bush said.

Had it been said by anyone else, it wouldn't have been quite so ironic and hilarious.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Angie on 1:05 pm on May 21, 2002
Got to love an article that states the following:

"All elections in Castro's Cuba have been a fraud," Bush said.

Had it been said by anyone else, it wouldn't have been quite so ironic and hilarious.

LOL...so true.

[Hayduke]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 3:00 am on May 21, 2002
SU-37, The russians would never make it ashore, do you remember the cuban missle crisis? We sent the blockade, sent kruschev home with his tail between his legs, even his own cabinet knew it, eventually leading to his losing power. This time, Russia wouldn't even dare, and you know that. By the way, SU37, US HAWK SAM system much better than soviet counterparts, but we never had to use them in combat, russia would not dare fly over US airspace like we did to them with U-2 and SR-71 all the time.


Both sides were afraid of a nuclear war.
Russia didnt want to cross the lines.

[SU37]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 1:26 am on May 21, 2002
we will have global missle shield fully operational very soon.
That global missile sheld is only good against 3 to 6 missiles lunched at a time.If Russia was going to lunch against America, those Missiles would come in 1000's at a time.It doesn't matter how many are shot down atleast a few hundred or thousand are going to make it to there target.

[honest intellectual]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 10:00 pm on May 20, 2002
SU-37, The russians would never make it ashore, do you remember the cuban missle crisis? We sent the blockade, sent kruschev home with his tail between his legs, even his own cabinet knew it, eventually leading to his losing power.
This is such a popular cappie myth. What really happened was: the USSR pulled missiles out of Cuba, which was balanced by the USA doing the same in Turkey. They didn't tell you that in school, did they? Also, they didn't tell you that the USA tore up the cornerstone of their foreign policy, the Marshall doctrine, and gave the USSR a written promise not to invade Cuba. The USSR came out of the missile crisis with an ally off the shore of the USA, which could not be invaded, and it didn't cost them a thing. The USA's only victory in the missile crisis was a PR victory

[Capitalist Imperial]

I know, but Russia is not the primary US concern, both countries working toward cooperation, it is rogue nations that would try to acquire or build and then fire 1 to a few missles at the USA. Russia Vs. USA nuclear war = World Destruction

[LeonardoDaVinci]

Bush doesn't give a fuck about the Cubans, he's only doing it so that his damn brother gets re-elected.

[LeonardoDaVinci]

Dear CI, if the so called "rogue" states do intend to hit back at the US. I believe that they will not be so stupid as to do so by launching ballistic missiles. They will work out alternative and more ingenious methods for doing so. You'll just have to hope that your reliable CIA idiots do their job and prevent the catastrophy before it happens.

In short, NMD is just a waste of $$$$$$$$ that could have otherwise been used to improve your pathetic health service or building houses for the homeless. Or even a crazier idea, give that money to those nations whose economy has been ravaged by your "altruistic" foreign policies. And believe me, that will do you more good than all your nukes, NMD and air power put together.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Honest Intellectual, those are true facts, but lets look at them in context. The USSR bent 1st, submitting to our blockade and demands, and a written doctrine to not invade cuba was no problem, we never intended to invade cuba, we just didn't want Soviet missles there, so we achieved our objective, and the soviets lost theirs. Now, we did remove ours from Turkey, yes, but we still had many more nukes positioned in eastern west europe compared to what they had in reach of us, so we were making a relatively small concession as they gave up a huge strategic postition. And yes, they did teach us that in school, the whole "US missles in turkey" is not as secret as some commies make it out to be. And i would say, given all this, Cuba as an "offshore ally", being that it was a 3rd world island nation in which the USSR agreed not to place military forces or even a significant soviet presence (and there still was {and still is} a US base there), was an "ally in spirit" at best and useless at worst.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Leo de vinci, BOO HOO, whaaaaa!!!! Those countries that somehow can't produce for themselves and then blame the US are pathetic, and NMD eventually will develop into a fully operational defense arrray capable of deflecting even large scale nuclear attacks, it's just a matter of time. By the way, our health care system for the most part is quite good, we have the best medical technology, and our homeless rate is very low per capita. you're just another commie jealous of our standard of living and using the usual misguided and overstated anti-american stabs. Where are you from, have you ever been here??? Oh, and those rogue nations would try to launch a nuke at us, they are working on it right now. They are just that, fanatical and crazy enough to actually try that without thinking of the consequences, surely even you must realize this.

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 12:28 am on May 22, 2002)