Attention! The Holocaust never happened! [Archive]

Michael De Panama

19th May 2002, 23:14

That's right! All of what you've read in the history books about this supposed mass murder of the jews is a lie! It was all a hoax created by the jewish controlled media to gain Zionist sympathy! Adolf Hitler loved the jews! Every sunday afternoon he would take all the jews to go out and eat ice cream, and then they would all have a picnic!

Right, Yuri?

Right, "CheGuevara"?

You see, all the jews went into their underground lair and organized a plan to take over the media and then create a big fat lie about how six million jews were killed. It makes sense, doesn't it?

Those jews aren't gratefull for all the many fun trips to the ice cream shop they recieved from the German government during World War II. And if they aren't gratefull for all those picnics, we shouldn't take it anymore!

So, I propose that we all just turn off our brains and start behaving like monsters to one another. Let's generalize a whole group of people as "greedy" and "evil", and let's not have any tolerance for them in any way. Let's act threatened by something that is of no threat to us, and in the process threaten others. Let's become complete idiots!

LET'S ALL LIVE IN FUCKING TRAILOR PARKS AND BEAT OUR FUCKING WIVES!

LET'S ALL BUY GUNS, JOIN THE NRA, AND START SHOOTING IMMIGRANTS!

LET'S ALL WEAR WHITE HOODS AND BURN CROSSES ON PEOPLE'S LAWNS!

And then we can deny being racist.

You fucking pigs.

Nateddi

19th May 2002, 23:34

What the fuck was that for?

Disturbed Illusion

20th May 2002, 00:43

your a strange little dude...

Menshevik

20th May 2002, 00:52

I've heard before that it was all a plot by the Polish govt (since all the major death camps were located in Poland) and that the internment of Jews and other peoples was greatly exagerrated. Helluva lot of bullshit out there.

Michael De Panama

20th May 2002, 01:40

I'm just a bit pissed off at all the anti-semitism going around lately on this board.

Nateddi

20th May 2002, 03:50

What anti-semitism? Nobody is denying the holocaust. Nobody is hating anyone for their ethnicity / background.

Michael De Panama

20th May 2002, 04:02

I'm surprised that noone has denied the existance of the Holocaust, but Yuri and Che have been saying some pretty anti-semetic things. Although Yuri was actually more committed to what he said. With all the Stalinists coming in, a new air of anti-semetism followed it. It's really bugging me, and I want it to stop. No true communist would ever say things like, "DAMN THOSE GREEDY JEWS!", even if it's in "protest". That's just rediculous.

Nateddi

20th May 2002, 04:12

OK, I won't defend Stalin Soldier (he is just an idiot), but I will Yuri and Cheg. I agree that it wasn't the best thing to do by protesting in that way, however Cheg is no anti-semite, he just has a different from the norm, so to say, interpretation of leftism/marxism, therefore he defends other people who might have different interpretatoins of other thigns (such as he did with that comment). As for Yuri, link me to one post in which he said that he hated a certain race for being what it is. Not just a quote, but a whole post (so we can both see the context).

peaccenicked

20th May 2002, 04:32

Yuri disguises his anti-semitism, surely you are not that blind.
Anti zionism and and antijudaism have long been fronts for anti jewish sentiment.
At the bottom of every bit of corruption was a jew.Great views for a policeman. Get real.

CheGuevara

20th May 2002, 05:38

I love that dismissal of "it's just rediculous". That's a real strong one for you. Give me a break.

(Edited by CheGuevara at 6:07 am on May 20, 2002)

Oh, and since we're on the subject, no, obviously there was genocide in Germany. Yes, 6 million, if not more Jews, were murdered. I'm not going to use the term 'holocaust' because I'm tired of the elevation of this genocide to a special little pedestal. Just like I'm tired of the word "anti-semitism," an all encompassing word that mixes the offence of being racist with criticizing a religion. Of course, I've heard 6 millions other people were killed in the concentration camps, but we don't hear about them, do we?

(Edited by CheGuevara at 6:12 am on May 20, 2002)

Also, you're leaving a very foul taste in my mouth with regard to your opinions of people who live in rural areas. Yes, it's true, there are some people who live in trailers for the hell of it, and I too am a bit disgusted by it. However, many do it for economic reasons, and your lumping them together with wife beaters and klansmen is disgusting. There's enough of which to make fun and attack about rednecks without going into indiscriminate attacks about trailers :)

(Edited by CheGuevara at 6:33 am on May 20, 2002)

Reuben

20th May 2002, 08:35

your right the holocaust didnt happen, it was made up my the "politically correct democrat jewish lobby"

ID2002

20th May 2002, 08:36

My grandparents died in the Nazi ovens! I have been to the extermination camps...you can still see the yellowing on the walls from the fat that burned. It is sick sick sick stuff.
i remember watching a video of Jewish prisioners trying escape and climbing up an electrified fence, charged with 12,000 volts. The prisoners burst into flames and were cremated in mear seconds. IT WAS SO BAD...I COULDN'T WATCH. I felt ill.
They wanted to die...they couldn't live like animals.
Racism is PURE EVIL. Anyone who dismises the Holocost is a fool!

Reuben

20th May 2002, 11:09

im sortry to hear about your grandparents. Me and michealdepanama were being sarcastic, taking the piss out of the anti-semitiasm that has been around here lately. I am also jewish and some of my relatives were in lenengrad at the time of nazi occupation. Sorryif it came across as sick. i understand the horrors of the holocaust, in auschwitz and treblinka.

This is why i get so fut=rious when parts of the conspiracy are posted here such as in the white supremacist views thread, becaues i know wwhat it was a mandate for.

Edelweiss

20th May 2002, 14:02

Nateddi, I'm pretty surprised what you are saying here since you are a Jew. Anti-semitism is not (just) hatred on Jews or denying the holocaust. These are just the most dumb forms of it. Anti-semitism is pretty much that what people like Yuri are saying here. Like all the conspiracy shit, Jews=Capitalism, Jews are responsible by themself for the holocaust etc, etc. Also speaking of a Jewish lobby which controls che-lives (!) has a very anti-semitic tone, CheGuevara.

CheGuevara

20th May 2002, 23:14

I don't give a fuck what tone it has. Sorry, I'm not a politically correct panderer like you, Malte. Reuben has been the most vocal monitor and advocate for the censorship of "anti-semitic" members. He does not represent a significant majority of the members on the site, at least in his calling for the "offending" members to be censored, yet you're pandering to his every wish.

(Edited by CheGuevara at 11:14 pm on May 20, 2002)

PaulDavidHewson

20th May 2002, 23:18

This is a discussion board, if you are unable to discuss properly then don't do it.

this is not your site, so abide by the rules or find another forum to spew forth your thoughts.

CheGuevara

20th May 2002, 23:26

If Malte wants to be more of a **** and ban me, he's free to do it. There's nothing stopping him.

Edelweiss

20th May 2002, 23:51

How can you be so unsensible towards anti-semitism, CG? It's just sad. Be shure, the racist comments by people like yuri and ss would have resulted in restictions to the SvsC forum, no matter if Reuben would be here or not. I can think for my own.

yuriandropov

21st May 2002, 00:49

the holocaust never happened? that is a ridiculous comment. of course the holocaust happened, the evidence is there. the holocaust was not an anit-semitic act like you would associate with my so called 'anit-semitism', the holocaust was pure racism. carried out by the most evil men in history (i say men because remember, it wasn't just hitler, his scum friends like eichmann and himmler were just as much a part). i have given my reasons for not liking jewish culture, for not liking the jewish religion, but i have never said i don't like all ethnic jews. that would make me racist.
michael de panama, you berate me for generalising but you are even more guilty than me! you think that anyone who is slightly against the jewsih relgion or zionism, is a nazi who denies the holocaust. well i know it happened because my grandfather saw one of the camps at the very end of the war. thats all the proof you need. if me, an alleged 'anti-semite' says the holocaust happned and that it was the most barborous act ever, then it did, and was.

Michael De Panama

21st May 2002, 00:59

It's no more rediculous than saying that the jews control the media, Yuri. I'm not saying that you think the Holocaust never happened, I'm saying I'm shocked that you don't. I'm not generalizing you anti-semites, I'm stereotyping you. There's a difference. And, to be quite honest, I really don't have enough respect for you people to even make an attempt at avoiding stereotypes.

How is it that you can call the Holocaust an act of racism, yet you tell me that your comments are not racist because "the jews are not a race"? Pick one or the other. If the Holocaust was an act of racism, so is the filth you smear all over this message board. If what you speak about the jews is not racist, then neither was the Holocaust.

yuriandropov

21st May 2002, 01:08

michael de panama, you must be a jounalist of some sort as all you do is twist my words around to suit you. i have reapeatedly said jews are not a race, in my eyes, they are not. but speaking to jews like reuben, who is atheist but still classes himself as jewish makes me change my mind slightly. i don't like jewish religion, culture and zionism (from the MAJORITY not all). about the jewish consipricy theories, all i've done is give you the facts, that in USA, jews control a big amount of the media and, coinsidently, USA is the only country to support israel. i am not an anti-semite, i may have used that term to discribe myself (i'm sure your going to tell me if i have as you probobly have texts of everything i ever said in order to twist it round) but its onlt because there is no word for anti jewish culture, religion and zionism.

Menshevik

21st May 2002, 01:22

Yuri, I understand what you're trying to say, but when you talk about how you "don't like the Jews" it comes across as anti-semetic, and rightfully so. In today's society, to say something like "I just can't stand black people" is total taboo. Even if you feel you have an excellent argument against Black cultural beliefs/expectations, you just can't say that. Now I think you mentioned you currently reside in Russia and I don't know how these kinds of feelings are received there, but I know in the States and most of continental Europe, it's quite scandalous to speak like you have in the past. Just take this as constructive criticism because I still think you have some worthwhile discussions to add to this site.

Michael De Panama

21st May 2002, 01:22

So if the jews are not a race, how was the Holocaust racist?

yuriandropov

21st May 2002, 01:30

michael, did you not read the post? i have never classed the jews as a race, but until i came here, i never met a jewish atheist. therefore, i am now more inclined to think of secular jews (or jews who claim to be jews even though they aren't religious) as jews.
menshevik, in russia and FSU, anti-semitism is rampant. many people blame the fall of USSR on them, many blame poor standards of living on them. we have an organisation called national bolsheviks who are devouted comunists but are even more anti-semitic than hitler. i often have arguments with anti-semites because they are too ridiculous and racist. they say holocause never happened and such. i will always back up a statement with reasons, however many russian comrades just have blind hate towards jews.
while i have been here in england, i have also noticed a lot more anti-semitism than i expected. i believe the nazi's are exploiting peoples sympathy with palastinians and turning it into anti-semitism. this i am very much against.

Michael De Panama

21st May 2002, 01:42

I will ask you a third time, Yuri.

Quote: from yuriandropov on 1:30 am on May 21, 2002
the holocaust was pure racism

How was it racism if you do not consider the jews to be a race?

yuriandropov

21st May 2002, 01:45

and i will say for a third time, i used to think jews were just a religion, now i think (from talking to people like reuben who class themselves as jewish regarldess of religion) they are a race. was that clear enough?

Guest

21st May 2002, 02:03

this is one of the sickest things i have ever heard. The holocaust never happened? hitler loved the jews? then how come 6 million jews ( 1/3 of the jewish population in europe) dissapeared.??? what? they killed themselves or something? did they get abducted by aliens? or what? anyone who tries to say the holocasut never happened is seriously demented. God. im only 14 and i have to read shit like this for my school report. this makes me sick to my stomach.

Guest

21st May 2002, 02:06

Guest

21st May 2002, 02:09

Nateddi

21st May 2002, 02:22

Guest, Michael De Panama was just pissed off, so he sarcastically made this thread because this "big wave" of anti-semitism supposedly going on. He didn't mean it.

Thank you, now guests think this is a neo-nazi forum.

CheGuevara

21st May 2002, 02:28

As much as I hate Michael of Panama, I have to say, it was pretty obvious that his original post was sarcastic. I have to say, this forum attracts a lot of thick people....

peaccenicked

21st May 2002, 02:48

This is a subject where sarcasm is in bad taste, but what is worse is the ignorance on anti-semitism. Yuriandropov comes across as someone who has been indoctrinated by someone else.
From a book review

''The Russian anarchists, almost all of whom had sided with the
Bolsheviks in the early months of the October Revolution, viewed the
new direction as a betrayal of their hopes. Had not Lenin once
asserted, "So long as the state exists there is no freedom"? But by
1921, shortly before his death, the venerated anarchist Peter
Kropotkin would write of the Revolution: "It is perpetrating horrors.
It is ruing the whole country. In its mad fury it is annihilating
human lives." Despite her recognition that some things in Russia had
changed for the better - education, suppression of anti-Semitism in the
Ukraine, a flourishing of the arts - Goldman arrived at Kropotkin's
view that Bolshevism was a conspiracy against the Revolution''
The failings of the russian revolution were hardly due to Bolshevism but rather its defeat.
This was a decisive moment in history that lead to the holocaust.
To unwind this path with subjective anti jewish dislikes is akin to treason to bolshevism spiced with racial criminality.

CheGuevara

21st May 2002, 02:57

Yay, now not only are we attacking what people can say, but how they say it.

Valkyrie

21st May 2002, 03:03

Relax and chill Che Rob. Come to the Monday Night Music Fest featuring the Clash.

Reuben

21st May 2002, 11:11

Quote: from yuriandropov on 1:30 am on May 21, 2002
michael, did you not read the post? i have never classed the jews as a race, but until i came here, i never met a jewish atheist. therefore, i am now more inclined to think of secular jews (or jews who claim to be jews even though they aren't religious) as jews.
menshevik, in russia and FSU, anti-semitism is rampant. many people blame the fall of USSR on them, many blame poor standards of living on them. we have an organisation called national bolsheviks who are devouted comunists but are even more anti-semitic than hitler. i often have arguments with anti-semites because they are too ridiculous and racist. they say holocause never happened and such. i will always back up a statement with reasons, however many russian comrades just have blind hate towards jews.
while i have been here in england, i have also noticed a lot more anti-semitism than i expected. i believe the nazi's are exploiting peoples sympathy with palastinians and turning it into anti-semitism. this i am very much against.

Yuri I am very encouraged by what you are saying and understand you much better now. I am pleased you recognize that whatever your views on the jewish religion (which I myself regard as homophobic and sexist) you recognize and fight against the genuine problem of anti-jewish racism.

I am surprised that I am the first secualr jew you have met. I know there are a hell of a lot of us here in England, although I have always thought that there was a stronger sense of secular identity in Russia.

I know that prior to the Revolution there were secular jewish groups such as the jewish workers bund, who numbered 3,000,000 jewish members.

Reuben