I hate them fucking fags

[Fabi]

so seriously....
apologies if this topic has already been touched upon.....
but i was just wondering what you were thinking about homosexuals/bisexuals....

(btw... that topic title DOES NOT represent my opinion.....) ;)

[LeftoverAnimal]

I am perfectly fine about Homosexuals, i am friendly with many gay men myself, and i see no problem in it, it is not exactly hurting anyone. People have a right to follow which ever way there sexual preference goes.

P.S i like you clockwork orange/Bart simpson avatar, i enjoyed both the book and film of a clockwork orange although it was tottaly sick it was comppelling and interesting

[RedCeltic]

I'm a fag. I wouldn't call myself a "Fucking Fag"... I'm bi, but 95% of the time date women.

Question: If your not homophobic than why start a thread "I hate them fucking fags?"

Don't you think we have enough intolerance here? Cappie spamers who are parinoid of someone with diffrent views of their own.... Stalinist racist droids who can't think for themselves...

I tell you what I hate... morons who love to give themselves an ego boost by placing themselves higher in importance than other races, religions, political beliefs, or sexual orientation.

No one is asking you to watch two men having sex. Their love is between them, and has nothing to do with you.

[Fires of History]

Ditto to everything RedCeltic said.

Why people get so worked up about homosexuality is beyond me. It has nothing to do with most of the people making a fuss over it.

Gays are just the newest 'niggers.' People need something to hate I guess.

Edit: What a pointless thread Fabi.

(Edited by Fires of History at 7:24 pm on May 14, 2002)

[Zippy]

Quote: from Fires of History on 7:22 pm on May 14, 2002
Gays are just the newest 'niggers.'
Homosexuality has been oppressed since the begining of time, nothing new in hating gay people, as you so rightly now. :)

Has for me; whats it matter?

Is anyone aware of Alexander The Great and the old Greek Empire? Homosexuality was classed as healthy in their culture, and Alexander himself had numerous male lovers. Its a very interesting story. I'd like to learn a lot more about it one day; there are murders by his wife (a princess) of a male lover of Alexander's and its all very soap opera-ish. :)

Zippy.

[Fires of History]

Zippy,

What I meant was that the most commonly accepted target of hate now are homosexuals. It is no longer 'acceptable' to be openly racist, but one can certainly get away with funneling that hate through homophobia.

Also, there have been many cultures that did not oppress homosexuality. The Greeks being the best example; you weren't regarded as having reached 'manhood' until you slept with a man and therefore received his spirit and power, or so they believed.

[Zippy]

Quote: from Fires of History on 7:38 pm on May 14, 2002
What I meant was that the most commonly accepted target of hate now are homosexuals.
I know you did; i was just adding to the debate. ;)

Zippy.

[Fabi]

i was just being a 12-year-old homophobe.. ;)

honestly, i only opened this thread because i wanted to know how other people felt about the issue.. (which to me isnt an issue at all)
the topic title and stuff are just an imitation of the stuff i usually hear/heard.... also my best friend happens to be gay and in the beginning some people were bein stupid about it...
and people ask me all the time (or do it behind my back) if i am gay... i guess i must seem sort of unmanly... not the macho-money-making-car-racing guy i suppose...

i really didnt want to offend anyone (seriously) and i chose the topic title for people to get worked up and write something...

besides that i think that everyone is just basically ***sexual... i believe that to some extent everyone is attracted to either sex...
what do you think?
(you dont have to answer, consider me a dickless kid trying to make himself look important...)

but it would of course be kind of you if you gave me a second chance....

peace

[BOZG]

I have no problems with any sexuality class.

I think FoH is right, there is always some group of people that are oppressed and hated. For example, after 9/11 Middle Eastern became the subject of hatred while it had been mainly African-Americans previously.

[Fires of History]

BOZG,

Yes, it's quite sad. According to the latest PFLAG newsletter for Victoria, hate crimes against homosexuals went down 38% in King County (the county Seattle is in) since September 11.

Society (mindless society that is) needs something to hate; doesn't really matter who, just someone.

Edit: I wonder which group this blind hate will shift to next?

(Edited by Fires of History at 10:51 pm on May 14, 2002)

[CheGuevara]

Well, this issue came up on the chit chat thread 'osama might be a hero'. I believe that most gay men act effeminately, which created a firestorm from the Political Correctness Posse on the board. I don't particularly care for effeminate gay men, but whatever they do among themselves is their business.

(Edited by CheGuevara at 11:04 pm on May 14, 2002)

[RedCeltic]

Well I think most men who are open about being gay are effeminate. This doesn't mean all are, which you also said in that thread.

Feeling uncomfortable around a kind of person (or group) doesn't make you a racist/homophobe etc..

A good example of this is my grandmother. Growing up in Scotland in the 1920's/30's she never met a black person. Only once, she paid five pounds to see a black man at a sideshow. Later she felt rather silly about it, and sort of like a racist. Especially when coming to New York later in her life and seeing they are just different people, nothing to gawk at.

The point is, my grandmother had nothing against them, but had always said the didn't feel quite comfortable around African Americans. Despite them simply being impoverished workers as she was, the where quite different in culture and appearance.

Yes Zippy, homosexuality has been around longer than history. However, it is only as late, that they have become open in modern western culture.

[ID2002]

I dislike western culture so much! It is so closed***

When I was travelling through SE Asia, and Japan...I saw many gay clubs. It is not taboo in Asian culture to be gay or openly gay.
They even consider gays to be a "third sex".

...I like their attitude towards homosexuality...

tollerance is the answer!

[Reuben]

Ihate homophobia. WHat makes me really angry is the way inb British schools homophobia is common currency.Furthermore it is treated as more acceptable then other forms of bigotry

[Fabi]

also i think the reasons against homosexuality people come up with, are usually downright stupid.

'cause they dont make children' .... well.. do monks? or at least catholic priests? or impotent men? should we just burn all of those, too?
;)

[yuriandropov]

my country (USSR) follishly tried to ban homosexuality. and while i personally don't particularly agree with it, what goes on in the bedroom is no business of the state (yes, there are some stalinists who think like that). stalin banned it when he was trying to 'de-individuelise' the soviet union. this is proboly one of the main areas of stalinism i disagree with. homosexuels are born homosexuel. they have been here since the dawn of man and there is nothing anyone can do about it apart from accept it.

[BOZG]

Did anyone hear the recent speech by the Pope in which he said that anyone who commits habitual sin (sinning on a continuous basis knowing that it is wrong) will go to hell. This means that all homosexuals who practise sex on a running basis, unmarried mothers etc will be banished to hell. This is a complete outrage. This surely violates Jesus' view of the Ten Commandments (Love thy neighbour, love thy God) and coming from God's supposed representative on earth yet is intolerant of 'his neighbour'.

BTW, I'm atheist. Just my perspective on the situation and the Catholic Church.

[Capitalist]

Che Guevara and Fidel Castro totally hate homosexuality.

Funny considering that Raul Castro is rumored to be gay.

[Menshevik]

Communism speaks out directly against homosexuality. Gays have always been persecuted in Communist countries. Most of those gays were not extremely open about it, which was good for them. But in Cuba, after a sexual revolution, homosexuality became very prominent in a believed entirely heterosexual society. Castro began inflicting the most severe punishments on "counter-revolutionary homosexuals" making life extremely difficult for gay men in particular. Read Before Night Falls by Reinaldo Arenas if you still think Castro is a legitimate, caring leader.

Oh and the Greeks didn't believe in homosexuality. To them it didn't exist. Those that actually were homosexuals were social outcasts. No one cared if you were of course, as long as you had a wife and children. Most wealthy Greek men had sex with pre-adolescent boys anyway (it was kind of a mentoring thing)--that was considered almost necessary to enter into high-society. Fucking boys was a tradition passed down throughout the aristocracy, but not once was that considered "gay."

[Lardlad95]

I have one thing to say...I have nothing against gay women (i.e. lesbians) they make for some good porn.


Personaly its wrong to hate anyone...though gay guys are really really creepy

[Sasafrás]

Again, like I asked in the Commie Club, WHAT IS UP WITH GUYS' LOVE FOR LESBIAN ACTION?!

JESUS CHRIST!

And, how are gay guys really creepy? You know, I think that all guys (that are not homosexuals themselves) are homophobic to a certain extent. Are they creepy because you know that they're attracted to people of your sex? Maybe it's typical for girls, but I think homosexual guys are the coolest unless they've got attitude! And, I'm not afraid of lesbians either. A few girls I've been friends with have been lesbian or bisexual.. No prob for me..

PS: For those of you who visit the Commie Club, that's not the reason why I'm not scared of lesbians.. ;)

[pastradamus]

well theres two fags living next door to me & i dont have aproblen with one of them,he isn't camp like the other guy(who gives me the creeps!). you can get along with him & talk bout shit like soccer,but the other guy is a weirdo so i guess its the campness that gives guys the creeps!

[Menshevik]

Campness. . . What?

[Guest1]

Freedom for all, my friend's lesbian, though I haven't thought about it till now. She's really cool, making fun of the airheads all the time. Plus I can really talk to her about my problems. I don't really like to talk to guys about my life, just cause the ones I know wouldn't listen anyway, and I wouldn't talk to most girls about my girl problems.

[SU37]

I could go for some nice lesbo porn,lesbo action.......YAH!:biggrin:

(Edited by SU37 at 10:45 pm on May 15, 2002)

[SU37]

Gay men a.k.a(fags) are really creepy,but its fun to call them names and stuff.

[Sasafrás]

Okay, that's improper. You shouldn't say "fag" as if it's the proper term and you definitly shouldn't call them names for fun.

Pump up the volume & Check it out! (http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/slp29/insane.html)

[RedCeltic]

Quote: from SU37 on 9:52 pm on May 15, 2002
Gay men a.k.a(fags) are really creepy,but its fun to call them names and stuff.


Homosexuals and bisexuals can use those words the same way African Americans can use the "N word" but you using the them is nothing but an insult.

I can say "I'm a fag" because I'm bi, you saying it makes you a biggot.

[CheGuevara]

We shouldn't call fudgepackers names? What? ;)

[RedCeltic]

"Sticks and stones may break my bones"....

Ahhhh fuck it, I give up.

[SU37]

Quote: from La Rainbeaux on 3:56 am on May 16, 2002
Okay, that's improper. You shouldn't say "fag" as if it's the proper term and you definitly shouldn't call them names for fun.

Pump up the volume & Check it out! (http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/slp29/insane.html)
After taking that insanity test I went 20 seconds and then started to laught,I guess Im insane

(Edited by SU37 at 11:09 pm on May 15, 2002)

[Sasafrás]

I took me 10 - 15 secs to determine that I'm in-fucking-sane.

http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/slp29/insane.html

[SU37]

The pic is still funny.

[ID2002]

hey..Capitalist...have you ever been to CUBA? ...hummm, wait your an American...so NO you haven't! I HAVE!

Gays are excepted in CUBA** they are everywhere. If Fidel hated them so much then why have they been around before the Revolution--publically! ....get your facts "straight"
...no pun intended

[RedCeltic]

Quote: from ID2002 on 11:43 pm on May 15, 2002
hey..Capitalist...have you ever been to CUBA? ...hummm, wait your an American...so NO you haven't! I HAVE!

Gays are excepted in CUBA** they are everywhere. If Fidel hated them so much then why have they been around before the Revolution--publically! ....get your facts "straight"
...no pun intended


He doesn't even know the history of his own people! How do you think he can know anything about Cuba?

http://www.boomspeed.com/redceltic/niflag.gif

[Fabi]

hey IWDY, that was a really sexist remark... sounds a little 'male-heterophobic' to me...

and anyone can say gay.... and i think fag will eventually become a normal term, too.....

what i think is sad but predictable that of course the same people who come up with dumb arguments for capitalism consider it funny to call non-heterosexuals names... you are so childish....

[bordafro]

from the moment one says X is (either homosexual strait, bi, etc..), a risk exists of considering only a limited number of aspect of X. general use of these words would perhaps indicate that they are considering this ONE aspect of X, the 'sexual orientation'.
i could perhaps compare this to racism in the sense that one would have look uppon a colored person and seen nothing but a colored person, blinded by prejudices.

i can also think of the terms taking a more complete meaning EVENTUALLY with time and Thought, but as RedCeltic puts it, "you using the them is nothing but an insult".

This makes me think also of how very often there are refferences to "%*&°ñ capitalists" or "#@Ñ*äg communists": to what extent are these terms descrbing a person and/or an image forged in the speakers' head?
The cold war was it not a bit like this: The ones thought the others were conspiring to anihilate the one, and vice versa. A complete lack of trust and understanding.

the transformation of this discussion into battle reminds me ever slightlyof it.

[Fabi]

so if i said someone was goodlooking that would be all they are?
or if i said they were nice, it would mean they couldnt do anything mean?

if i understood you right, those would be the right conclusions.
heterosexual, homosexual... i dont care... most people here dont seem to care too much either...

but i think i know where you're coming from...

[Zippy]

Quote: from Menshevik on 9:26 pm on May 15, 2002
Fucking boys was a tradition passed down throughout the aristocracy, but not once was that considered "gay."
What was it considered?

Zippy.

[bordafro]

If you said [thought rather] someone was goodlooking and that's it, then that is all that person is TO YOU.
If you said [thought] someone was nice, then TO YOU that person can do no harm. (which differs from "that person can do you harm")

This basically affects the actions and thoughts of he who limits him/herself to only considering this one and only aspect.

Therefore, what i was trying to get to was that if you only consider this one aspect, then your actions might be conditionned to this one aspect, and not engage or take into account the infinity of other aspects which serve to contitute a PERSON.

solution; be critical and think :-P
(pressed for time, sorry)

[Fabi]

i think i know what you mean, but doesnt that mean if i wanted to say anything accurate about a person i'd have to list everything i and everyone, including the person, thinks in one breath?

well, whatever....