Lou Dobbs: redbaiting fascist

[Sky]

Communist China flooding this nation with dangerous food and other products.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0707/10/ldt.01.html



There's been a sharp increase in Communist China's blatant efforts to steal the latest in U.S. military technology. Communist China has set up a huge network of front companies in this country, more than 4,000 of them with the specific objective of stealing our weaponry and to ship them out of the United States.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/13/ldt.01.html



New fears tonight that communist China's aggressive grab for world oil assets will one day lead to military confrontation with the United States.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/01/ldt.01.html



China today threat topped go to war against Taiwan if the leadership pushes towards independence
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0311/19/ldt.00.html

It is time to silence this dangerous demagogue for such hate-filled remarks. He should be pulled off the air and prosecuted for his incitement of racial hatred when he bashes Mexican migrants. Contrary to his pseudo-populist propaganda, Dobbs does not represent the interests of working people. He demonstrates on his program that he is an apologist for imperialism.

[Sendo]

check out him on democracynow...he gets trashed for his ridiculous anti-hispanic racism which claims one third of prisoners are illegal aliens--when in actuality, immigrants of ANY status are least in number and have the lowest proportion of imprisonment for their demograph. Also stories of their "diseases." His incesant fear mongering distracts us from the domestic threats of increased food prices from climate change, or the rising fuel costs which make prices go up proportionately, EXTREMELY regressive. (if I spend 5% of my income on gas and the price doubles I pay 10% of my income to gas. If I spend 1% of my income on gas and the price doubles I now pay 2%)

[jake williams]

Didn't you get the memo? Racist propaganda against the Chinese Menace is the new in-thing. In fact it was the old in-thing too, but that's another story.

[R_P_A_S]

i fucking hate.. how he throws the word "communist" around.. fucking pudgy bastard... fuck China.. they have nothing communist. maybe the fucking flag thats about it.

[Joby]

Yeah, I can't stand Lou Dobbs.

But hey, CNN wants someone for that demographic. I'd do it for a fat paycheck.

Though not as over-the-top as he is.

[Dejavu]

i fucking hate.. how he throws the word "communist" around.. fucking pudgy bastard... fuck China.. they have nothing communist. maybe the fucking flag thats about it.

Yeah but its perfectly OK to do that with "capitalist" though most people have no idea what capitalism actually means.

I say capitalism suffers just as much or more than communism from a mental disorder known as The Anti-Capitalist Mentality.

[jake williams]

most people have no idea what capitalism actually means.
I agree with exactly this phrase. Although I think communists generally have a much better idea of it than do self-described capitalists, except for at the margins a whole lot.

[Dejavu]

I agree with exactly this phrase. Although I think communists generally have a much better idea of it than do self-described capitalists, except for at the margins a whole lot.

By all means. Please enlighten me with the actual definition of capitalism then. :D

[Unicorn]

Lou Dobbs did more than anybody else to against the McCain-Kennedy bill which would have granted amnesty to millions of undocumented immigrants.

Amnesty would keep GOP in permanent minority as most of the new Americans would vote for Democrats or Marxist parties. Socialist parties are strong in Latin America and many immigrants support them.

Fuck Lou Dobbs.

[Jazzratt]

By all means. Please enlighten me with the actual definition of capitalism then. :D

A price system construct that is differntiated from socialism in that it allows powerful individuals to have a monoply on means of production, thus creating an underclass who recieve less debt tokens and thus a lesser stake in the scarcity that is hoarded by the upper classes.

[RGacky3]

I will say that Lou Dobbs is a red baiter and somewhat of a dousch bag, but I would'nt call him a racist, being anti-immigration or against the chinese government does'nt make you a racist.

[Dejavu]

A price system construct that is differntiated from socialism in that it allows powerful individuals to have a monoply on means of production, thus creating an underclass who recieve less debt tokens and thus a lesser stake in the scarcity that is hoarded by the upper classes.

Bzzt, wrong! Try again! :laugh:

[Sendo]

I will say that Lou Dobbs is a red baiter and somewhat of a dousch bag, but I would'nt call him a racist, being anti-immigration or against the chinese government does'nt make you a racist.

Yes, it's unconscious racism. No different than "nativism" of our past (in quotes because whites aren't even the real natives). Visa laws and racism exist to demonize the current underclass of labor. The new mass of immigrants need to be pegged downward and everytime it's the same generic talk of protecting borders and national security.

We demonized the Irish with anti-Irish laws, then we imported Chinese to build the West while publicly demonizing them and enacting racist opium laws (akin to the 80s crack laws which have ridiculously heavy punishments for certain drugs when they are linked with a certain demograph).
There were also the Red Scares and Anarchist scares which killedc Sacco and Vanzetti and demonized Germans, European Jews, Russians and the like.

Now that we have created so much poverty in Mexico we use veiled racism to demonize the new wve of desperate and poor immigrants. It's no coinicdence that Clinton militarized the Mexican border for the first time when he enacted NAFTA. Gee, does Washington put fences on Hawaii's beaches or soldiers up on the Main-Canada border?

Nationalism is little different than racism. No chooses which side of the Rio Grande he is born on. Additionally, this notion of the USA is false. I am more culturally in common with the Northeast and the Canadians than I am with people in Mississippi. I have no illusions that we are a homogeneous people with divinely guided borders. We are founded on a mixture of ghettos, melting pots, fanatical communes, genocide, conquest, immigration, etc. Fuck the US and all its notion of grandiosity and holy gates.

Being anti-PRC is not necessarily racist, it's blaming every imperialist action, every centrally bureaucratic decision, every capital punishment for petty offenses, every scene of poverty on Communism. The Party has not been Communist in any way for many decades. People now have this topsy-turvy selective logic that thinks that their economy is capitalist but their government is Communist...assumiung that Communism is simply a Stalinist form of political governance. Fox News has done the same thing many times. Maybe Lou Dobbs should work there.

[Bud Struggle]

A price system construct that is differntiated from socialism in that it allows powerful individuals to have a monoply on means of production, thus creating an underclass who recieve less debt tokens and thus a lesser stake in the scarcity that is hoarded by the upper classes.

Trust me here--you miss the point. Nobody hoards anything. Really. If you want money--all you have to do is CREATE IT. Who cares what Bill Gates (who created his own wealth from nothing) has? All you have to do is go out there and build a better mouse trap and you will have all the money you ever will need. And if you can't do that, just copy the guy that builds a better mouse trap and paint it a different color. That plan works even better.

[Unicorn]

Trust me here--you miss the point. Nobody hoards anything. Really. If you want money--all you have to do is CREATE IT. Who cares what Bill Gates (who created his own wealth from nothing) has? All you have to do is go out there and build a better mouse trap and you will have all the money you ever will need. And if you can't do that, just copy the guy that builds a better mouse trap and paint it a different color. That plan works even better.
Bill Gates's father is a millionaire lawyer who funded Bill's exclusive education. He had the opportunity to use very expensive computers unlike those who were not born with a golden spoon in their mouth.

[Bud Struggle]

Bill Gates's father is a millionaire lawyer who funded Bill's exclusive education. He had the opportunity to use very expensive computers unlike those who were not born with a golden spoon in their mouth.

My dad was a member of the United Rubber Workers of America. He came over from Poland when he was 16 and promptly went deaf. He got a job and raised a family without ever making more than ten grand a year. I went to Georgetown and made pots of money. My brother went to the same college and became a lawyer and was president of a bank. My brother-in-law's father was a drunk, and he's a very successful real estate owner and lawyer.

So?

[Unicorn]

My dad was a member of the United Rubber Workers of America. He came over from Poland when he was 16 and promptly went deaf. He got a job and raised a family without ever making more than ten grand a year. I went to Georgetown and made pots of money. My brother went to the same college and became a lawyer and was president of a bank. My brother-in-law's father was a drunk, and he's a very successful real estate owner and lawyer.

So?
Social mobility is actually very restricted. Rags-to-riches stories are not common though they exist.

[Bud Struggle]

Social mobility is actually very restricted. Rags-to-riches stories are not common though they exist.

Really and truly--I have few friends that were born rich. (We spend June in Tuscany and we meet lots of British aristocratic ex-pats there) but in gereral 95 % of the successful business people I know did it on their own.

I can't speak for England or anywhere else--but America is nothing but rags to riches stories.

[Comrade Rage]

I can't speak for England or anywhere else--but America is nothing but rags to riches stories.You need your head examined.

[Bud Struggle]

You need your head examined.

Rags to riches:

Been there, done that, lived that.

And best of all, it was easy. :hammersickle:

[RGacky3]

Nationalism is little different than racism. No chooses which side of the Rio Grande he is born on.

Morally they are in my view on equal planes, but they are different, and its not fair to just throw around the word racism because it is stronger.

Nationalism and racism are not the same, they are both abhorrable, many times they go together but its not honest to just use the word racist out of context because its stronger.


Now that we have created so much poverty in Mexico we use veiled racism to demonize the new wve of desperate and poor immigrants. It's no coinicdence that Clinton militarized the Mexican border for the first time when he enacted NAFTA. Gee, does Washington put fences on Hawaii's beaches or soldiers up on the Main-Canada border?


That has nothing to do with the fact that the majority of Mexicans are Meztiso and not white, its not racism, its the effects of Capitalism.

[Sendo]

but when we think of keeping Mexicans out, in PRACTICE it brings about racial suspicion of colored Hispanics (as in not the tiny percent which are fully white rich descendants of vice-roys). Americans don't need to hear someone talk or discover an absence of papers to start making angry comments about 'spics or goddamn wetbacks. Just seeing an ethnic Chicano or any Hispanic person triggers a whole "probably here 'illegally,' probably freeloading, probably Mexican, taking our jobs, etc."

[Joby]

You need your head examined.

No, you need to argue with the facts:

*Only 19 percent receive any income or wealth of any kind from a trust fund or an estate.
* Fewer than 20 percent inherited 10 percent or more of their wealth.
* More than half never received as much as $1 in inheritance.
* Fewer than 25 percent ever received "an act of kindness" of $10,000 or more from their parents, grandparents, or other relatives.
* Ninety-one percent never received, as a gift, as much as $1 of the ownership of a family business.
* Nearly half never received any college tuition from their parents or other relatives.
* Fewer than 10 percent believe they will ever receive an inheritance in the future.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...renextdoor.htm

That's America's millionaires for you.

[RGacky3]

but when we think of keeping Mexicans out, in PRACTICE it brings about racial suspicion of colored Hispanics (as in not the tiny percent which are fully white rich descendants of vice-roys). Americans don't need to hear someone talk or discover an absence of papers to start making angry comments about 'spics or goddamn wetbacks. Just seeing an ethnic Chicano or any Hispanic person triggers a whole "probably here 'illegally,' probably freeloading, probably Mexican, taking our jobs, etc."

Your right that does happen, and it can happen a lot, and when it does happen it just helps the Capitalists. BUT that does'nt mean you should equate them, thats dangerous. Its the same thing as people who equate being anti-isreal to being an anti-semite.


Rags to riches:

Been there, done that, lived that.

And best of all, it was easy. :hammersickle:

Tell your workers at your factory about that.

[Xiao Banfa]

Rags to riches:

Been there, done that, lived that.

And best of all, it was easy


Oh God, thank you sir! You have opened my eyes!

I used to think that 'everyone can get rich' was a mythical truism, you have shattered that socialist 'analysis'!

You have conclusively proved to me that the majority of US citizens have wealth at their fingertips, all they have to do is earn it!

And to top it off, it's easy!:scared:

Baby, I'm throwing out my cask wine and red books, brink on the cognac and whores!:cool:

[jake williams]

Moreover, since blacks are disproportionately poor, but markets determine fair prices and people become wealthy if they deserve it, they must mostly be lazy niggers!

Racism ftw!

[RGacky3]

Moreover, since blacks are disproportionately poor, but markets determine fair prices and people become wealthy if they deserve it, they must mostly be lazy niggers!


Most Capitalists would admit that history, and the aftermaths of it, that still are around have to do with blacks being disproportionately poor.


*Only 19 percent receive any income or wealth of any kind from a trust fund or an estate.
* Fewer than 20 percent inherited 10 percent or more of their wealth.
* More than half never received as much as $1 in inheritance.
* Fewer than 25 percent ever received "an act of kindness" of $10,000 or more from their parents, grandparents, or other relatives.
* Ninety-one percent never received, as a gift, as much as $1 of the ownership of a family business.
* Nearly half never received any college tuition from their parents or other relatives.
* Fewer than 10 percent believe they will ever receive an inheritance in the future.


Does it Matter to the subjects how a King got in power? If he inheretid it? Or fought his way up? Does it make a difference? Oppression is still Oppression, Exploitation is still Exploitation, no matter how the Oppressor and Exploitator go there.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Yeah but its perfectly OK to do that with "capitalist" though most people have no idea what capitalism actually means.

I say capitalism suffers just as much or more than communism from a mental disorder known as The Anti-Capitalist Mentality.

If most people knew what capitalism meant, they wouldn't want it. :D

[Bud Struggle]

Moreover, since blacks are disproportionately poor, but markets determine fair prices and people become wealthy if they deserve it, they must mostly be lazy niggers!

Racism ftw!

Tut, tut, tut! Blacks born in America are disproportionately poor, agreed. But blacks that come from other countries to America to work are disproportionately well off.

Go figure. :D

It's not racism--it's lack of initiative.

[Dejavu]

Tut, tut, tut! Blacks born in America are disproportionately poor, agreed. But blacks that come from other countries to America to work are disproportionately well off.

Go figure. :D

It's not racism--it's lack of initiative.

Well, its a bit of both. There is racism that needs to be addressed here and its called Affirmative action ( which curiously violates Article VII of the Civil Rights Act). Unions also are indirectly racist or they have a negative effect on many blacks and Latinos. I'm tired so I'll go into detail later but a gross amalgamation of government red tape effects employment negatively. What happens is that a lot of these blacks are not working because its tough to get a job. Also, incentive is destroyed with big brother handouts creating a negative employment preference. It seems to me that the state prefers to keep blacks and Latinos dependent on it just so it can make a case for more government growth. I think it actually does these communities a great injustice. Curiously other races tend to do relatively well such as Jews and Asians.

[Joby]

Does it Matter to the subjects how a King got in power? If he inheretid it? Or fought his way up? Does it make a difference? Oppression is still Oppression, Exploitation is still Exploitation, no matter how the Oppressor and Exploitator go there.

Yes, becasue we need the end the all rich people had it handed to 'em Bullshit.

Nobody in the US is born tied to their class.

[Die Neue Zeit]

^^^ Formally tied to their class? No.

Socially tied to their class? That's a different story. The US isn't as meritocratic as the bourgeois media loudmouths claim it to be (in part because the individual bourgeois folks are not all that rational in allowing capital to do its work without racial or sexual discrimination).

As much as there's class mobility between petit-bourgeois, proles, etc., it's more and more impossible for a non-bourgeois to become a bourgeois (unless that person's already a well-off petit-bourgeois through inheritance).

[Curlz31]

A price system construct that is differntiated from socialism in that it allows powerful individuals to have a monoply on means of production, thus creating an underclass who recieve less debt tokens and thus a lesser stake in the scarcity that is hoarded by the upper classes.

To claim capitalism is simply a 'price system construct' is to ignore the concept from which capitalism is derived, namely, liberty of the individual and the right of the individual to attain property, that part of the earth that he puts his time and effort into and creates something of use to himself or others.

Unfortunately, the term 'capitalism' HAS been bastardized by people who go around associating it with war. For example, here in Melbourne, Australia I have seen posters on the street advertising an apparent Marxist gathering called 'Marxism 2008' and the poster contains the phrase 'oppose capitalism and war!', implying that capitalism and war are somehow inextricably linked. To say such a thing is a blatant lie.