China launches campaign to crackdown on Internet porn

[Sky]

China will shut down pornographic websites and blogs in a nine-month nationwide campaign, said the Ministry of Public Security.

The campaign focusing on clearing porn pictures, articles and videos will last until September, according to the ministry.

According to Beijing Youth Daily, a total of 60,000 websites have been registered to provide audio and visual programs in China. The authority will give special attention to these websites, blogs, videos, point-to-point services, which have become a main channel of pornographic information distribution.

According to the campaign's plan, Internet search engines are asked to filter pornography. Advertisements of sexual tools and porn websites will be banned.

In addition, editors of bulletin board system (BBS), online forums and chatrooms will be asked to register their real names for Internet administration.

Last month, police in the southern province of Guangdong shut a website selling live-streamed porn and arrested 33 suspects.

China shut down 44,000 domestic websites and homepages, removed440,000 pornographic live-streaming videos and arrested 868 suspects in 524 criminal cases last year.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/16/content_7615990.htm

Pornography is essentially mass produced prostitution. Prostitution and its offshoot pornography loses any basis for its existence in socialist society. Prostitution is a historically conditioned social phenomenon that arose in antagonistic class society and is organically inherent in it. Prostitution is widespread in modern bourgeois states, despite formal measures to restrict it.

Under socialism, the fundamental causes of prostitution are eliminated. Individual instances or prostitution are of a local character and are a form of parasitism. Socialism establishes criminal responsibility for drawing minors into prostitution, procuring, maintaining dens of vice, spreading veneral disease, and producing and distributing pornography.

[Joby]

Under socialism, the fundamental causes of prostitution are eliminated.

So is castration performed during or after the revolution?

[Feslin]

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/16/content_7615990.htm

Pornography is essentially mass produced prostitution. Prostitution and its offshoot pornography loses any basis for its existence in socialist society. Prostitution is a historically conditioned social phenomenon that arose in antagonistic class society and is organically inherent in it. Prostitution is widespread in modern bourgeois states, despite formal measures to restrict it.

Under socialism, the fundamental causes of prostitution are eliminated. Individual instances or prostitution are of a local character and are a form of parasitism. Socialism establishes criminal responsibility for drawing minors into prostitution, procuring, maintaining dens of vice, spreading veneral disease, and producing and distributing pornography.

If the fundamental causes of prostitution were eliminated wouldn't this be a pointless law?

Something doesn't exist without a cause.

Or are you saying that China is not socialist?

[Qwerty Dvorak]

If the fundamental causes of prostitution were eliminated wouldn't this be a pointless law?

Something doesn't exist without a cause.

Or are you saying that China is not socialist?
Whether or not he's saying it, it's the case.


So is castration performed during or after the revolution?
So women decide to sell their bodies because they have penises?

:rolleyes:

[Joby]

So women decide to sell their bodies because they have penises?


Women sell because someone is willing to buy.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Well women would certainly be less inclined to sell if nobody was willing to buy, that doesn't mean that women sell because someone is willing to buy. I think you'll find that women with privileged backgrounds, quality educations and/or stable incomes rarely if ever become prostitutes so it's obvious that women do it primarily because they have no other choice.

[Bud Struggle]

So is castration performed during or after the revolution?

:lol::lol::lol:

[RedAnarchist]

So is castration performed during or after the revolution?

The causes of prostitution tend to be drug addiction and poverty.

[Dejavu]

The causes of prostitution tend to be drug addiction and poverty.

Which is precisely why the government should cease its 'War on Drugs' and 'War on Poverty' programs immediately. ( Throw 'War of- I mean- on Terror in there too.) Like all Big Brother programs ( think Sauron's Ring) , the program achieves more of exactly what it professes to try to stop.

The state is the antithesis to the market. Works like this:

When the market wants to shrink poverty, it shrinks poverty.
When the state wants to shrink poverty, it increases it.

The contrary economics of the state would indicate to us that if the state truly desired to shrink poverty, it would not mettle in the affairs of the market.

More evident of the contrary economics of the state. When the private enterprise fails at providing a service and theres no state intervention, the enterprise takes a loss and pays for its mistakes. When a government program is failing to provide a service, it receives more funding as a consequence.

The state provides a distortion and perverse incentives.

[Bud Struggle]

The causes of prostitution tend to be drug addiction and poverty.


Well, if you call making $5,000 an hour poverty. :D

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/12/spitzer-prostitute-detail_n_91116.html

Seriously, I think drug addiction and poverty are only two of many causes of prostitution. People have lots of reasons for their actions.

On the other hand how will Communism handle all the comrads out there looking for some hot monkey sex when there aren't any prostitutes? Are Commie women going to "give it away?" ;) BJ's for Trotsky! :D

[Black Dagger]

Are Commie women going to "give it away?" http://www.revleft.com/vb/../revleft/smilies/wink.gif BJ's for Trotsky

I'm not a woman but if you look anything like your avatar you can have me for free.



Pornography is essentially mass produced prostitution.

No it's not, but i sure do find it funny when supposed communists hop on the podium alongside the priests, the clerics and other social reactionaries.

Porn is media produced specifically to cause sexual arousal, or even the recording of sexual acts to be viewed by the participants or non-participants - though like most definitions of porn these two sentences are probably inadequate to fully encompass everything that passes as 'porn' in society at present (human sexuality is a vast ocean after all).

The point is not all porn is a commodity - that is, not all porn is produced specifically to sell - indeed there's nothing intrinsic to porn as a concept that entails that this be the case. In that context, to call porn 'mass prostitution' is to misunderstand/misrepresent the nature of porn in the name of social conservatism.

You're certainly not gonna be invited to the RevLeft photo-swapping network!

(Yes i know, i'm prostituting myself by sharing explicit photos of myself with others, right?)



Prostitution and its offshoot pornography loses any basis for its existence in socialist society.No it doesn't - the basis for prostitution and porn is sexual desire the means in a capitalist society is money (or an internet connection) - both of which will exist in a socialist society (sex workers are hardly 'non-existent' in cuba now are they?)

You also assume that no one wants to (or will want to) sell sex - fortunately for the horny but socially inept/ugly of the world this is not the case, and never will be - well unless folks like you get their way and we all get whipped by some kind of socialist puritanism - but that won't end the selling of sex - just drive it underground, making it less safe for sex workers.

And as far as porn goes - well, unless you're gonna ban it - or heck, ban individuals from owning (video) cameras of any kind i don't see it going anywhere - porn is a logical extension of human sexuality via technology - from the first cameras in history, to HD video humans have enjoyed looking at and capturing their own sexual exploits, those of others - their naked form etc. and sharing this with others.



Prostitution is widespread in modern bourgeois states, despite formal measures to restrict it.

The horrors!!!

I also heard that the consumption of drugs and alcohol is also widespread - one fears for the children!

I suppose you support the criminalising prostitution in bourgeois states? And socialist ones?



Socialism establishes criminal responsibility for drawing minors into prostitution, procuring, maintaining dens of vice, spreading veneral disease, and producing and distributing pornography.

Lol, so you DO you think that porn and sex work should be illegal in a socialist society? Wow, just wow.

The problem of course is that sex work will continue to exist in a socialist society and by criminalising it the only people who lose are the sex workers themselves, who'll face horrible unsafe conditions.

[Bud Struggle]

I'm not a woman but if you look anything like your avatar you can have me for free.

Thanks, but no thanks. :lol::lol::lol:

[pusher robot]

Socialism establishes criminal responsibility for drawing minors into prostitution, procuring, maintaining dens of vice, spreading veneral disease, and producing and distributing pornography.
Oh, that does it. Forget your stupid revolution, I'll have my own! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the revolution!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

What I don't understand about the Chinese crackdown on pornography is the basis for it. China isn't exactly big on Abrahamic religions, so what is it that makes pornogrophy "sinful" in Chinese society? Is it a simply case of China having been infected with the more prudish aspects of Western morality, or is the prudishness homegrown?

That being said, the Chinese government are pitting themselves against the combined sexual drives of millions of people. I do not think this will be at all easy for them, whatever the propaganda.

I'm also fucking shocked at the prudishness of some of the posters on this forum. What, exactly, is wrong with recording consenting adults engaging in sexual acts in pictoral or video format and distributing the results?

[RedStarOverChina]

It has alot to do with the old belief in "revolutionary puritanism".

During the revolution, it was decided that a "morally upright", puritanical and disciplined communist movement is the most effective.

So they stuck with the idea fairly consistently.

In 1980s, when the CCP identified liberalism as its primary ideological enemy, pornography was singled out as one of liberalism's ills.

So I guess an open embrace of pornography would be an admission of ideological bankruptcy.

[Bud Struggle]

ideological bankruptcy.

That would be "yesterday's news" don't you think? :rolleyes:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

So I guess an open embrace of pornography would be an admission of ideological bankruptcy.

As opposed to open embrace of international capital, which is quite alright I guess? What a bunch of fucking hypocrites. No wonder Sky likes them.

[RedStarOverChina]

Well, the CCP tends to change it's ideology alot, like a slippery eel and thus always manage to avoid declaring total bankruptcy.

[Unicorn]

The problem of course is that sex work will continue to exist in a socialist society and by criminalising it the only people who lose are the sex workers themselves, who'll face horrible unsafe conditions.
How can you say so because prostitution was practically non-existent in the USSR until the Gorbachev years? Criminalization of prostitution in no way harmed women.

[spartan]

How can you say so because prostitution was practically non-existent in the USSR until the Gorbachev years? Criminalization of prostitution in no way harmed women.

Practically non-existent or not the fact is it still existed.

I dont know what will happen to prostitutes when we get to Communism because there wont be any money to pay them with?

Anyway i agree in the most part with Black Dagger's post (Well except for the wanting to fuck TomK part:D).

[RedStarOverChina]

I think it would be nice to add this one bit of information:

In the 30s when the peasant-based Maoists were getting morally high with revolutionary puritanism, urban-based Marxists and feminists were experienmenting with sexual liberation.

There was a literary movement called "Revolution Plus Love" which explores the connection between sexuality and revolutionary activities. It was "a trendy thing" back then, and it was revived in a purtanical form in the 70s.

I believe feminist/Marxist-Leninist writer Ding Ling was part of the "Revolution Plus Love" tendency. She famously moved in with two of her boyfriends at once--and wrote down her experiences and thoughts in this shockingly scandalous relationship...And then published them. :D

Imagine what THAT was like in China in the 30s.


Sadly, she didn't end up to be too revolutionary at the end of her life though. :(

In Yan'an, she had the audacity of accusing Mao of male-Chauvinism. Ding Ling was "criticised" for it during the Culture Revolution. She didn't enjoy that very much, so when Deng came to power, she happily embraced revisionism.

Anyways, it's an amazing story.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

By the way, Sky doesn't speak for any of us. (Just in case you hadn't figured it out)

[Black Dagger]

How can you say so because prostitution was practically non-existent in the USSR until the Gorbachev years? Criminalization of prostitution in no way harmed women.

There's no sure way to know what extent it occurred because this stuff would be black market, but the idea that it did not exist at all simply because it was 'illegal' is pretty naive (not sure if this is what you're saying?).

Of course criminalisation harms sex workers (women and men) - when there is legal sanction sex workers rights can be protected like those of any worker (when it is criminal these protections don't apply) - OH&S is not exactly binding in black market work is it? No union either (well legal ones). If sex work is criminalised many sex workers can't seek help, report abuses etc. because of the fear of being prosecuted etc. - it's a horrible situation.