Racist language and imperialism

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Those who think the anti-Muslim language some of us use is not in any way connected with the oppression of Iraqis, check this video out:

http://leninology.blogspot.com/2008/03/extraordinary-testimony-from-iraq-vet.html

[Luís Henrique]

http://leninology.blogspot.com/2008/03/extraordinary-testimony-from-iraq-vet.html

Doesn't open... well, maybe because I'm at work.

Luís Henrique

[black magick hustla]

What kind of "anti-muslim" language do "we" use?

[Sankofa]

I don't think i've ever read those type of terms openly used here at Revleft...

Links?

[Sentinel]

Well one thing is sure: we won't start sucking up to religion here, ever. Simply put, criticism of religion doesn't have to be 'bad' just because 'bad' people do it. It's a guilt by association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy%7D) fallacy to assume, that just because imperialists, racists, or some other reactionaries discriminate against muslims, we automatically should unconditionally support Islam unless we want to 'be as bad as them'.

I hope redstar2000 comments in this topic. :D

[Luís Henrique]

OK, at home I can watch it.

I see, and hear, a man using a lot of words that are supposedly racist against muslism people.

How else would he denounce these words, except by using them himself?

It is evident that context is what matters. Had he used these words against Iraqis or Iranians, in order to discriminate them, he would have used them in a racist way. Using them, on the contrary, to denounce the racist ideology prevalent within the American army, is not racist at all.

That's it.

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

This would be an interesting read:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/language-sexist-t41825/index4.html?highlight=language+is+sexist

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

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[Lector Malibu]

Those who think the anti-Muslim language some of us use is not in any way connected with the oppression of Iraqis,-

Who uses this language here?

[Cencus]

Who uses this language here?

No one. I think you'd find that anyone who did use those terms in that clip would be restricted quicker than you could say racist fuckwit.

Quite a few folks on here, myself included, accuse Islam of being a backward reactionary religion, but then I level the same accusations at christianity and any other religion I know of.

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Yes, an awful lot of 'It wasn't us guv'nor' from comrades -- as expected.

[black magick hustla]

So can you point where did anyone use
those terms?

[Lector Malibu]

Yes, an awful lot of 'It wasn't us guv'nor' from comrades -- as expected.

What are you talking about ?

[RHIZOMES]

Islam is not a race.

[Luís Henrique]

Islam is not a race.

But is used as an excuse for racism.

When you are shot seven times in your neck because you look like a Muslism, it doesn't make that much difference whether Islam is a race or not.

Luís Henrique

[al8]

Thats just misuse of words, nothing else. If we accept the word 'muslim' as a term for a race we only empower (political) Islam. Maybe we'll even see christians in the future taking the que and start playing themselves off as a race to be able to brand critics racists. Hey they might even get support from deluded portions of the revolutionary left.

[Devrim]

But is used as an excuse for racism.

When you are shot seven times in your neck because you look like a Muslism, it doesn't make that much difference whether Islam is a race or not.

But it is not only Muslims who are discriminated against. Last year for example, my wife was in Italy where she was told that she was a terrorist by the waiter in the hotel she was staying in. She is not a Muslim. He assumed that she was so he called her a terrorist.

In fact it doesn't matter if you are a Muslim or not if you are, or look, Middle eastern or South Asian.

Devrim

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

LM:


What are you talking about ?

Which word do you not understand?

[bcbm]

Camel jockey, towel-head and sand nigger are all anti-Arab (or general Middle Eastern) slurs, not Muslim specific (another instance of you confusing the two). And, yes, obviously an important part of murdering and conquering people is to consider them less than you, less than human. Who is disputing that? I don't see the relevance to any members here, nor have you been able to point any out. Some people don't like Islam or not even dislike it, but simply find it reactionary; that is not the same as disliking Muslims, or even considering Muslims in general reactionary (!!!), let alone wanting to conquer them and subjugate them.

I believe the term "Hadji" is more likely referring to this:
http://knittherapy.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/jonny-quest-opening-title.jpg

Unless you believe that people who use such racist terms also happen to have an intimate knowledge of Islam and Islamic terminology?

[Luís Henrique]

But it is not only Muslims who are discriminated against. Last year for example, my wife was in Italy where she was told that she was a terrorist by the waiter in the hotel she was staying in. She is not a Muslim. He assumed that she was so he called her a terrorist.

In fact it doesn't matter if you are a Muslim or not if you are, or look, Middle eastern or South Asian.

Yes, that was more or less my point. Your wife got called a terrorist, because her physical apperance made the racist waiter believe she was a Muslism. Jean-Charles de Menezes was murdered by the London police because he looked Middle-Eastern, so they concluded that he was a Muslism, and, as such, a terrorist. How to deny the racist aspect of such kind of Islamophobia, if those who practice it take "race" as a main indicator of the religion of the people they want to discriminate?

And, also, there is perhaps something else that is worthy to mention. Discrimination against a certain group of people does not necessarily affect only the members of such group, as any goy who has been confused with a Jew can witness. Or any straight person that has been mistaken for a lesbian or gay man.

Luís Henrique

[Devrim]

How to deny the racist aspect of such kind of Islamophobia, if those who practice it take "race" as a main indicator of the religion of the people they want to discriminate?

I don't deny that there is a racist campaign.

Devrim

[Lector Malibu]

Which word do you not understand?


I would like for you to list the posters that use that language here on a regular basis . And why aren't they restricted . As for you garbled broken English , I'll save that for a day when I'm bored.

[Luís Henrique]

I don't deny that there is a racist campaign.

You don't, but there certainly are people who say "Islam is not a race, therefore Islamophobia is not racism".

Luís Henrique

[RHIZOMES]

But is used as an excuse for racism.

When you are shot seven times in your neck because you look like a Muslism, it doesn't make that much difference whether Islam is a race or not.

Luís Henrique

I am aware of the discrimination. However I am getting tired being called a bigot just because I'm critical of the religion that is Islam. Which I've noticed a lot of lefties have been doing.