Was Stalin smart?

[R_P_A_S]

I don't claim to know it all. But for some reason I just get the feeling that Stalin was just some bully who killed his way to the top. I mean did he even write any books? When I hear about Lenin and Marx and Trotsky I hear about their writings and They had some good stuff to say. I'll include Mao in there and even Kim il sung.. all these people wether you like or not. they were intelligent enough to write some good stuff on theory, economics, revolurion and such.. what about Stalin? I never heard that he wrote any important pieces of theory or ANYTHING?

what's his deal?

[Asoka89]

He was smart and competant enough to be a good enough leader and administrator to rise to the top of the party ranks. Lenin even wrote on his administrative ideas. Now he didnt contribute that much important stuff to theory first hand however, he saw himself as continuing Lenin's legacy I believe (even though agree largely with the Trotskyist on what he actually did)

[bezdomni]

Stalin wrote quite a bit, but was more of a political leader than a theorist. In fact, a lot of his theoretical writings are sloppy at best.

Foundations of Leninism is a pretty good one and is relatively popular, and his polemics against the Trotskyists are insightful...but not the most relevant works in regards to making political revolution.

In fact, Marx2Mao has 14 volumes of Stalin's works...so yah, he clearly wrote a fair amount.

http://marx2mao.com/Stalin/Index.html (http://marx2mao.com/Stalin/Index.html)

Some notable things to read:

Foundations of Leninism (http://marx2mao.com/Stalin/FL24.html)

On the draft constitution of the USSR (http://marx2mao.com/Stalin/SC36.html)

Anarchism or Socialism? (http://marx2mao.com/Stalin/AS07.html)

If you're interested in studying the split between the Trotskyists and the Party, there are lots of good essays and manuscripts of speeches to look over in the collection On the Opposition.

Also, I heard Stalin got all A's on his math test when he was 13 years old! :P

[Die Neue Zeit]

^^^ So did I (getting As in math from elementary to almost the end of high school). :p

[R_P_A_S]

is it worth it wasting my time? because i mean.. i been a leftist for only 2 years but i never hear of any 'acclaimed stalin works'

[bezdomni]

is it worth it wasting my time? because i mean.. i been a leftist for only 2 years but i never hear of any 'acclaimed stalin works'

Man, you ask a question about Stalin's works and then I give you some links and a brief answer and now you are looking at it like it's a waste of time to read anything by Stalin.

Can I ask...why'd you even ask the question in the first place if that is the way you are going to handle an answer that isn't mindlessly anti-stalin?

And yes, you have heard of acclaimed works by Stalin because I just gave links to a few of them. Stalin wasn't a groundbreaking theorist like Marx or Lenin or Mao, and nobody claims that he was...but he did write some interesting things that any serious student of Marxism-Leninism should be familiar with.


^^^ So did I (getting As in math from elementary to almost the end of high school).
I was joking. I actually have no idea how Stalin did in math, nor do I really care. My intention was to point out the absurdity of the question "was stalin smart".

[Os Cangaceiros]

Stalin's critique of anarchism is mindblowing in its stupidity, not to mention more dull than a butter knife.

At least Lenin's writings are somewhat engaging and coherent, in my opinion.

He should've stuck to his day job as a despot. :)

[R_P_A_S]

Man, you ask a question about Stalin's works and then I give you some links and a brief answer and now you are looking at it like it's a waste of time to read anything by Stalin.

Can I ask...why'd you even ask the question in the first place if that is the way you are going to handle an answer that isn't mindlessly anti-stalin?

And yes, you have heard of acclaimed works by Stalin because I just gave links to a few of them. Stalin wasn't a groundbreaking theorist like Marx or Lenin or Mao, and nobody claims that he was...but he did write some interesting things that any serious student of Marxism-Leninism should be familiar with.


I was joking. I actually have no idea how Stalin did in math, nor do I really care. My intention was to point out the absurdity of the question "was stalin smart".

i can handle answers however I please. thanks for the links.

[bezdomni]

i can handle answers however I please. thanks for the links.

What I was getting at is why do you ask questions if you don't want an answer? You're not trying to learn, this is just a less childish "stalin was evil!!" thread.

Which is, as ravenblade said, a rite of passage on revleft.

[R_P_A_S]

i have my ways. how i express my self and word things. you could have easily misinterpret me.. this is a forum. I know sometimes shit gets lost in translation.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Stalin managed to live through internal party hostility up until 1953 without a single (known) assassination attempt previous to then. If you believe the revisionist historical viewpoint about him being an evil despot who massacred over 20 million people, that's some accomplishment! Either he was keenly aware of who had a knife up against him, or he wasn't the brutal dictator Western textbooks like to paint him as.


I just get the feeling that Stalin was just some bully who killed his way to the top.That's an oversimplification. Apparently Stalin was a great orator and personal accounts tell of a very charming man who did not live lavishly. And it should be emphasized that Stalin was close to Lenin.

Stalin wasn't that much of a political theorist, but his writing is bearable. Try reading Mein Kampf and you'll come away feeling like fecal matter was just pushed into your eyes.

[Hiero]

I don't claim to know it all. But for some reason I just get the feeling that Stalin was just some bully who killed his way to the top. I mean did he even write any books? When I hear about Lenin and Marx and Trotsky I hear about their writings and They had some good stuff to say. I'll include Mao in there and even Kim il sung.. all these people wether you like or not. they were intelligent enough to write some good stuff on theory, economics, revolurion and such.. what about Stalin? I never heard that he wrote any important pieces of theory or ANYTHING?

what's his deal?

You are one stupid motherfucker.

[Marsella]

You are one stupid motherfucker.

That's the spirit! :rolleyes:

Isn't there a Maoist saying: teach the masses and then learn from them?

Or is it just that, a saying?

[There is No God!]

You are one stupid motherfucker.

Rather than just abuse him, it may help if you actually bothered to tell him why you think that :rolleyes:

[Hiero]

He has been here since 2006, made 1,950 post so far and yet he continues to ask stupid questions. The question was stupid because he predicted the answer, he didn't ask it to learn anything about Stalin.

He deserves it. RPAS, go self educated before you ask another stupid question again.

[pezinski]

You are one stupid motherfucker.

No, Stalin was one stupid motherfucker. :drool:

[R_P_A_S]

He has been here since 2006, made 1,950 post so far and yet he continues to ask stupid questions. The question was stupid because he predicted the answer, he didn't ask it to learn anything about Stalin.

He deserves it. RPAS, go self educated before you ask another stupid question again.

haha, OK dad! will do! LOL. If you want me to stop asking "stupid questions" too fucking bad... avoid all the threads I start or just simply block me. If you were across the room you wouldn't dare speak to me like that Mr. net-tough guy. relax.

[Ismail]

Hoxha wasn't a "stupid motherfucker" though. :D

"Secondly, despite coming from the most backward country in Europe,
Hoxha was not just 'quite' cultured but a very cultured intellectual.
He was by far the best-read head of state in Eastern Europe. In
addition to his fluency in French, Hoxha had a working knowledge of
Italian, Serbo-Croatian, English, and Russian. He read the Western
Press and often referred to Le Monde and the International Herald
Tribune. There is evidence that Hoxha read the memoirs of many world
statesmen such as Churchill and even lesser known ones, like Harry
Hopkins (Roosevelt's aide). Hoxha discloses in his writings that
amongst his favorite writers were Molière, Shakespeare, Byron and Goethe." - from A Coming of Age: Albania under Enver Hoxha

Yes, random, but this thread has already been answered.

Edit: Also, Hoxha had 71 volumes of works whereas Kim Il Sung had 44.

[Honggweilo]

haha, OK dad! will do! LOL. If you want me to stop asking "stupid questions" too fucking bad... avoid all the threads I start or just simply block me. If you were across the room you wouldn't dare speak to me like that Mr. net-tough guy. relax.

Actually thats not a bad idea... but seriously, i do agree with SC. You have 1,950 posts and you still you ask the same newb questions as when you started off here.. And you still make male chauvinistic machoist comments like "lets cum on her face" and "i'll kick your ass in real life" :glare:...like cmon, even Guerilla22 has seriously improved since he started of a few months ago, atleast he started to do some serious research, and even in that short period he way past your level of debating.. (ignoring the fact that his ideology is pretty awkward)

So if you want to ask rethorical questions to piss off people, why dont you bug off to /b/?

[R_P_A_S]

Actually thats not a bad idea... but seriously, i do agree with SC. You have 1,950 posts and you still you ask the same newb questions as when you started off here.. And you still make male chauvinistic machoist comments like "lets cum on her face" and "i'll kick your ass in real life" :glare:...like cmon, even Guerilla22 has seriously improved since he started of a few months ago, atleast he started to do some serious research, and even in that short period he way past your level of debating.. (ignoring the fact that his ideology is pretty awkward)

So if you want to ask rethorical questions to piss off people, why dont you bug off to /b/?

What if I don't want to piss of?

[R_P_A_S]

Actually thats not a bad idea... but seriously, i do agree with SC. You have 1,950 posts and you still you ask the same newb questions as when you started off here.. And you still make male chauvinistic machoist comments like "lets cum on her face" and "i'll kick your ass in real life" :glare:...like cmon, even Guerilla22 has seriously improved since he started of a few months ago, atleast he started to do some serious research, and even in that short period he way past your level of debating.. (ignoring the fact that his ideology is pretty awkward)

So if you want to ask rethorical questions to piss off people, why dont you bug off to /b/?

and when did i say "lets cum on her face? or "I'll kick your ass in real life?"
don't make shit up.

[Honggweilo]

then just stay and humor us, all the same

[R_P_A_S]

i don't know why some of you are so frustrated with me. You can't be more frustrated than me... Im the "stupid" one..right? Some of the shit and the way you say it it's pretty harsh. I expect that from other people, but not from 'fellow comrades' a couple of months back I made a thread about "how im stupid cus i been studying marxism for nearly 2 years and i don't get some of the stuff" everyone came out and encourage me... If you feel that my comments are stupid and that im an idiot, ok fine.. but insulting me does not help the cause. maybe it makes you feel good. but its not going to make "my stupidity" go away.

[Honggweilo]

and when did i say "lets cum on her face? or "I'll kick your ass in real life?"
don't make shit up.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=888776&postcount=11


Originally posted by RPAS
i wish i could bust a load of cum in her facehttp://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1100655&postcount=17


Originally posted by RPAS
you were across the room you wouldn't dare speak to me like that Mr. net-tough guy. relax.point made?


Ow and not to forget your idea on a "communist starters-kit"

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/auxhernandez81/comunistkit.jpg



If you feel that my comments are stupid and that im an idiot, ok fine.. but insulting me does not help the cause. maybe it makes you feel good. but its not going to make "my stupidity" go away. Well then maybe you should'nt denounce and ignore the awnsers given to you when you ask a question about a specific subject, that would be a good start. Instead of flame bating people with rediculous topics like "was stalin smart?" just to provoke them and not really caring about the information they provide to help awnser that question

[Cryotank Screams]

Stalin's critique of anarchism is mindblowing in its stupidity, not to mention more dull than a butter knife.

I agree but that is typical with all of his work imo and to me Stalin has always come across as a very mediocre and not to bright of a man.

[Random Precision]

Also, Hoxha had 71 volumes of works whereas Kim Il Sung had 44.

Okay, we get it. Hoxha had a bigger dick than Kim.

Come to think of it, Lenin himself only had 45 volumes of works... :laugh:

[R_P_A_S]

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=888776&postcount=11

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1100655&postcount=17

point made?


Ow and not to forget your idea on a "communist starters-kit"

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/auxhernandez81/comunistkit.jpg


Well then maybe you should'nt denounce and ignore the awnsers given to you when you ask a question about a specific subject, that would be a good start. Instead of flame bating people with rediculous topics like "was stalin smart?" just to provoke them and not really caring about the information they provide to help awnser that question

That's a nice pic! by the way all those condoms are now gone!

[R_P_A_S]

yeah i said i wish i could bust a load of cum on Ann Coulter's face. might not of been the most intellectual thing to say or "politically correct" .. but at that time I felt pissed off, she is a fucking racist shit head and I said that. yes..

since you have nothing better to do.. why don't you dig deeper and find other threads i made in where i came off as racist. or even more ignorant.

anyways Im here to learn. and thanks to all of you who take the time to teach me.

[Dominicana_1965]

Marxists.org's Stalin archive:

http://marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

An alternative view of Stalin:

http://www.plp.org/books/Stalin/book.html

Decide for yourself camarada.

[Dros]

I think Stalin had 3 major contributions in terms of theory although not all of them are enshrined in a book.

1.) Socialism in one country
2.) Aggravated class struggle under socialism
3.) Regional autonomy

I would recommend "On the National Question" as one of Stalin's better theoretical works.

[Hiero]

haha, OK dad! will do! LOL. If you want me to stop asking "stupid questions" too fucking bad... avoid all the threads I start or just simply block me. If you were across the room you wouldn't dare speak to me like that Mr. net-tough guy. relax.
I am not trying be tough, I am just pointing out the obvious.

It is actually you who is trying to act tough, knowing that we will never be in the same room.

[Ismail]

Marxists.org's Stalin archive:

http://marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

An alternative view of Stalin:

http://www.plp.org/books/Stalin/book.html

Decide for yourself camarada.http://www.marx2mao.com/Stalin/Index.html

Much better archive of Stalin's works.


Okay, we get it. Hoxha had a bigger dick than Kim.Wasn't meant to be taken seriously.

[Prairie Fire]

Are you fucking kidding me? "Was Stalin smart"?

This thread is the reason why really good, comitted, well-read, super-intelligent Comrades (Slavyanski, Marcos) burn out and abandon this forum! The non-stop war of attrition against the forces of stupidity can not be won, as stupidity keeps calling in a never-ending supply of reinforcements!

R_P_A_S (Aren't you that guy who said they wanted a womyn to "Ride Ride Ride!" ?) , your main question seems to be (in your own, biased sort of way,) "Did Stalin write anything?"



I mean did he even write any books?




I never heard that he wrote any important pieces of theory or ANYTHING?


Yes, he did. His collected works can be found at www.marx2mao.com (http://www.marx2mao.com), and the other links given allready also contain some of his texts.

Now, Sovietpants and Handige Harry are not wrong; you asked a question, and don't seem to want an answer. You had allready come to your conclusion at the begining of this thread, so the answer to your "Question" becomes trivia.



is it worth it wasting my time?


Is it worth you wasting time and space on this forum with your provocation and rethorical questions?


because i mean.. i been a leftist for only 2 years but i never hear of any 'acclaimed stalin works'


Well, what do you expect? When have you ever heard Stalin acclaimed for anything (Not in the bourgois press, or oppurtunist "left" circles.) ? None of his writings are ever going to turn up in Oprahs book club, if that's what you mean. The same goes for Marx,/Engels, Lenin, Mao, etc,etc...

All Marxists( and revisionists) have written something.
Gorbachev has writings. Pol Pot has writings. Even if you are (somehow) an illiterate Marxist, someone will at least write down your speeches!

If you're going to read, read. If not, don't waste space on revleft. This doesn't even belong in "learning"; it barely fits in "Chit-chat".

[careyprice31]

Yes, Stalin was very intelligent. He did not write a whole lot on things, but if you read the amount of information out there about him, you will see that he was quite intelligent.

[Wanted Man]

That's a nice pic! by the way all those condoms are now gone!
I see. I'm sure your mom is delighted to no longer find stains on the insides of your socks.

Seriously, what did you expect? Did you want a real answer or what? People went out of their way for you, just to answer your question (which a quick query of Wikipedia would have solved just as well), and you don't even want to seriously engage with them about it, because it doesn't fit the assumptions and prejudices that you already hold. If you're going to act like a ratty little prick, expect to be treated like one.

[( R )evolution]

while Stalin was not excatly of the writing type. It is never bad to read the few volumes of work he has made. As suggested above on the national question was not bad. Please do not bash rpas he is a comrade and sure it might take him a while to grasp a concept don't simply treat and talk to him in such a horrid manner

[Sankofa]

I see. I'm sure your mom is delighted to no longer find stains on the insides of your socks.



:laugh:

[acr0ma]

He was at least as smart as Hitler was. A propaganda genius.

[Faux Real]

Stalin didn't have Goebbels.

[Prairie Fire]

He was at least as smart as Hitler was. A propaganda genius.


And you are at least as bourgie as any capitalist ideologue, drawing bullshit comparisons between Hitler and Stalin where none exist.

If you can get your hands on it, read "Causes and Lessons of the Second World War"
By Hardial Bains. Here is part of it:

http://www.panjab.org.uk/english/WW2lesons.htm

[Schrödinger's Cat]

He was at least as smart as Hitler was. A propaganda genius.

Comparing Stalin to Hitler is completely inaccurate. Bourgeoisie misinformation left over from the Cold War would have you believe a lot of things - I recommend fact checking all of what you hear to discover how these "20 million+" numbers are determined. It reminds me of this website, http://judicial-inc.biz/Russian_Jews_kill_45_million.htm, where the author cleverly makes an improperly cited reference to the population of Russia in 1917 and 1928 to attack Stalin. The problem? There was a Civil War in between, and Stalin didn't even become leader of the CCP until that year. :D

[Die Neue Zeit]

A little off topic, but can someone please point me to works where Stalin mentions his "aggravation of the class struggle under socialism" stuff? Thanks.

[Invader Zim]

Comrade Sweety, don't you think you are being a little harsh?

[Fedorov]

I didn't really read through half of the flaming but here's my view on Stalin's intelligence. I honestly don't think anyone can declare he was dumb seeing as how got himself from some obscure Georgian village to head of the USSR you can right of the bat give him "street" smarts. As far as his policies go I can't argue that most of what he did was incredibly effective at achieving his goals, be it preservation of his power or the rapid industrialization of the country. Furthermore World War 2 is much in his credit, I doubt a less stubborn and authoritarian figure could have manage as well as he did (although there is the whole story of him hiding for a month after the start of Barbarossa). Anyway, thats my rant.