Fascist States

[Spasiba]

So I was looking at another thread and got to thinking, what makes a fascist state?
I saw brought up a few times that you can't really define them economically, and when Pinochet was brought up he was said to be free-market, but I'm not going to go batshit crazy over the free-market, so what made him Fascist? What made other countries fascist (Italy, Spain, Germany, Chile, etc?) Bring up examples of other fascist nations if you wish. And finally, go right on ahead and explain why you hate the damn thing, so you can vent a little to. Go ahead. Do it.



Oh, and would you consider Pol-pot fascist? Or just an idiot?

[erupt]

[quote=Spasiba;1100316]what makes a fascist state?
so what made him Fascist? What made other countries fascist (Italy, Spain, Germany, Chile, etc?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

All the answers you are looking for are right there. It explains the main elements of Fascism, too(militarism, patriotism, nationalism.)

[EricTheRed]

I'd call Pol Pot an American backed betrayer of his people. The Cambodian people did right by overthrowing him.

I don't know about fascist, though.

[Q]

what makes a fascist state?
so what made him Fascist? What made other countries fascist (Italy, Spain, Germany, Chile, etc?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

All the answers you are looking for are right there. It explains the main elements of Fascism, too(militarism, patriotism, nationalism.)

I stopped trusting on wikipedia on all political matters. Here is a much better source: http://marxists.org/glossary/terms/f/a.htm#fascism

[Bright Banana Beard]

this is the list of the character for fascism: http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm

[Dimentio]

Fascism is bourgeoisie stalinism. The main characteristics of fascism were fully developed only inspired by the model in the USSR, with a security police, one-party rule, and a focus on integration of the masses into the power structure.

BTW, the article from marxists is partially incorrect.

"1. Right Wing: Fascists are fervently against: Marxism, Socialism, Anarchism, Communism, Environmentalism; etc – in essence, they are against the progressive left in total, including moderate lefts (social democrats, etc). Fascism is an extreme right wing ideology, though it can be opportunistic (http://marxists.org/glossary/terms/o/p.htm#opportunism)."

Fascism has always been fervently environmentalist, evidenced by the emphasis on humane treatment of animals and conservationism which was outlined in Nazi Germany for example. Environmentalism is not something which is inherently leftist, but rather something which exist within currents in the entire ideological spectrum.

[BIG BROTHER]

that's kinda weird they're enviromentalists

[Dimentio]

that's kinda weird they're enviromentalists

Not really. Since they are romanticists and nationalists, they idealise their homeland, and all that is growing and living on it. The world's first animal protection law was enacted in the Third Reich. It was illegal to even inflict pain on a worm in medical experiments...

[spartan]

It was illegal to even inflict pain on a worm in medical experiments...

So they used humans instead:(

Anyway the only states that came close to being truely Fascist were Italy (Who gave us Fascism) and Spain, which arguabley had a Fascist economy until the economic Liberalisation in the 50's.

Of course by Fascist states i mean those states who closely followed the original ideals of social and economic (Corporatism, National Syndicalism, etc) Fascism, not the modern variants which seem to have any old economy thrown in with a strong leader and extreme Nationalism.

[Xiao Banfa]

This is what I reckon. Fascism is romantic, traditionalist, nationally chauvinistic, 'above class' (in theory).

It's often described as the last measure used by the capitalist class to hold onto privilege.

It relies on scapegoating as well. Communist, Jews, beasts..

[chegitz guevara]

I'd call Pol Pot an American backed betrayer of his people. The Cambodian people did right by overthrowing him.

I don't know about fascist, though.

He wasn't backed by the Americans until after he was overthrown, and he was overthrown by the Vietnamese, not the Cambodians.

Democratic Kampuchea is exactly what anyone familiar with the Cambodian peasantry should have expected to happen. Far from being the gentle, peaceful farmers of myth, the Cambodia peasantry were a violent, thuggish lot, who (rightfully) saw the cities as nothing but parasites on them. There was only a very tiny industrial proletariat in Cambodia, maybe 100,000, and virtually no industry. There was little market in the countryside, the peasants were simply taxed for food. What Cambodia vomited up on the world was an orgy of vengeance against its oppressors.

I would note that the first people wiped out in the revolution were not the city dwellers, but actually other members of the Communist Party of Cambodia. Those factions which had other social origins than the peasantry, or had been fighting since the French had ruled the country or who had gone to Vietnam to get educated were the first victims of Pol Pot. When the Vietnamese invaded, they put these older factions of the CPC in charge of the country. So the Khmer Rouge were replaced with other Khmer Rouge, and in fact, the KR still run Cambodia today. Hun Sen was/may still be a member of the CPC.

After the Vietnamese ousted them, the Pot Pot faction renounced communism.