The Truth About Cuba

[JoseM]

--- WHAT THE COMMUNISTS HIDE ABOUT THE TRUTH OF THE LIFE IN CUBA.

Did you knew that in Cuba the rationing notebook is calculated for 1800 calories, and that many products of the notebook are pure fantasies and do others depend on the crop?

Did you know that 4 years ago the rationing notebook was of 1600 calories, and were there an epidemic of mental illnesses and faulty born children, and that Fidel accused the CIA of a presumed biological war, and that the OMS (World Organization of the Health) did it determine that it was a problem of AVITAMINOSIS, for lack of vitamins and proteins in the rationing, and the OMS sent pills multivitamínicas to Cuba, and the rationing they had to go up it to 1800 calories?

Did you know that in Cuba it is not gotten, neither it is included in the rationing notebook the PAPER TOILETTE, SOAP, SANITARY TOWELS AND MILK FOR ADULTS, among other things?

Did you know that in Cuba it is forbidden to the Cuban the access to the INTERNET that crime that is punished with prison to read something that doesn't allow the régime and to listen radios and to see TV foreigners, is and that it is crime to say freely, and that the Committee of Defense of the Revolution that you/they work in each block, takes a registration of the activities of all the neighbors and that you and its family would see them to him very bad if they consider that you are suspicious of not supporting to the system?

Do you know that in Cuba the pipes of water are conquered and destartaladas and but of 50% of the homes they don't receive direct water that the water, where it arrives, is it alone per hours, and that the trucks of allotment of water "the Pipe", alone they go once per week so that they fill their "mondongueras?" Did you know that the alone electricity arrives per hours, where it arrives, and that the blackouts are constant every day, damaging the few electric teams that still exist?

Did you know that Fidel justifies his revolution with his presumed successes in health and education, but according to the most recent statistics in the OMS, Cuba is in the position #5 of Latin America, behind Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, among other.

Did you know that in education Cuba is behind Chile, Argentina, Uruguay and Costa Rica, according to the UNESCO?. You can verify the statistics of the UNESCO and OMS for Internet.

Did you know that in the agreement it Cuba-uses signed soon after the balseros multiplication, does it USE he/she receives annually in legal form 22 thousand Cuban, and that the lists of the Section of Interests of it USES in Havana, does he/she have registered but of 700 thousand applicants to leave, to weigh that to the one who you/they register it requesting position in the list it suffers the worst reprisals, do they throw away it of the works, do they send to the children to special schools of revolutionary re-education, etc?

Did you know that in spite of everything who he/she has access to a craft and do get a compass, does he/she rush to the "sea of the happiness" escaping from that hell?.

Did you know that Fidel uses like excuse of his tremendous failure a presumed blockade of the imperialism, when his Chancellor Asleep Pérez boasts that Cuba has commercial relationships with 115 countries, and that he/she receives preferential credits of the Banking of the European Union, and that what happens is really that Cuba anything doesn't have to sell, neither with what to pay that its industries are very late in technology, with excessive bureaucracy for the enormous unemployment, directed by political leaders and faithful characters to the revolution instead of a Professional Management that you/they are unproductive and cannot they compete internationally?

Did you know that Cuba doesn't have with what to pay Venezuela the oil Credit-gift of Chávez, and the presumed payment, is another Loan-gift of Chávez, sending patient to the destartalados Havanan hospitals, where the equipment is very poor because they don't have as paying for the advanced modern teams of those "imperialistic?"

Did you know that the JINETERAS, are Cuban prostitutes, the most modern example in the new revolutionary morals?

Did you know lastly, that Cuba is the last haven of a system that fué taken out to kicks by the town in the countries of Oriental Europe, and that the inhabitants of those countries consider that that fué a nightmare that you/they don't never want to remember, and that the embarrassed and rejected Communist Party, were they changed name to deceive with another mask?

[JoseM]

still waiting for answers

[j]

Um, I'm not sure if I understand this post. I know it was translated from Spanish but it needs a lot more work for it to make sense. I would reply to the content but I find it difficult to read and I could be responding to something that the post really did not say (do the translation). If you could find a good English translation it would be much better and more provocative I feel.

j

[revolutionary spirit]

won't alot of this lack of food supplies and such be due to the American blockade?If u r so sure that communist economy doesn't work then why the need for a blockade?

U think that because a cuban says it then it must be true,is this cuban in Florida by any chance living it up?Could this Cuban just simply have right wing views and so could naturally lie as to show communist in a bad way?U say cubans aren't allowed on the internet?I have seen many on the internet.What's this shit about them not being able to see foreign TV,well the Manic Street Preachers played there[bigish British band] played there a large crowd watched them,don't sound to shielded to me.Why can supermodels like Naomi Campbell walk down a street in Havanna and have most people know who she is?Yes,those poor deprived cubans.If things are so so bad in cuba then why do millions of people turn out to celebrate the revolution and Fidel Castro can walk amongst his people without the threat of being shot?

Cuba does have problems but most of them are caused by an agressive American stance that was unprovoked.

[PaulDavidHewson]

get some perspective revolutionary spirit, you make assumptions based on nothing.

America has the blockade amongst other reasons because they want to make a clear statment against castro's regime. Not having the blockade would mean a partial indefference against Castro by America.

(Edited by PaulDavidHewson at 9:27 pm on May 3, 2002)

[PunkRawker677]

"Did you know that 4 years ago the rationing notebook was of 1600 calories, and were there an epidemic of mental illnesses and faulty born children, and that Fidel accused the CIA of a presumed biological war, and that the OMS (World Organization of the Health) did it determine that it was a problem of AVITAMINOSIS, for lack of vitamins and proteins in the rationing, and the OMS sent pills multivitamínicas to Cuba, and the rationing they had to go up it to 1800 calories? "
Actually, its already been said, my more than just cuba, that the bio-chemical attacks on cuban crops and swine where either accted out by or incited by the U.S. and unfortunatly you are blowing things out of proportion, even with the 'epidemic' the birth fatality rate was low, and so was the mental illness you report wasnt a wide scaled as you would like it to seem.

"Did you know that in Cuba it is not gotten, neither it is included in the rationing notebook the PAPER TOILETTE, SOAP, SANITARY TOWELS AND MILK FOR ADULTS, among other things? "
All families get Toilet paper (occasionaly their is a shortage, very occasionaly), they get soap, just not alot. The also get milk every day, i've seen the people delivering the bottles, i've driken it to.

"Did you know that in Cuba it is forbidden to the Cuban the access to the INTERNET that crime that is punished with prison to read something that doesn't allow the régime and to listen radios and to see TV foreigners, is and that it is crime to say freely, and that the Committee of Defense of the Revolution that you/they work in each block, takes a registration of the activities of all the neighbors and that you and its family would see them to him very bad if they consider that you are suspicious of not supporting to the system? "
All cuban university students have access to the internet, with absolutly no blocking (in my old school, all communist pages were blocked, in the U$). The general population has no internet access but Germany has offered to open up a chain of Internet Coffee shops a couple months ago, the deal is pending.

"Do you know that in Cuba the pipes of water are conquered and destartaladas and but of 50% of the homes they don't receive direct water that the water, where it arrives, is it alone per hours, and that the trucks of allotment of water "the Pipe", alone they go once per week so that they fill their "mondongueras?" Did you know that the alone electricity arrives per hours, where it arrives, and that the blackouts are constant every day, damaging the few electric teams that still exist?"
There is a shortage in some homes of running water, but every time i went there, in every house and in every town, i never saw someone who had no water. Blackouts occured in 1996 at 6mpm (i was there) everynight. They stopped occuring in 1998, and now the power goes out maybe two or three times a month for a few hours. The goverment provides an abundane of candles and lanterns to each family when a black out is iminent.

"Did you know that Fidel justifies his revolution with his presumed successes in health and education, but according to the most recent statistics in the OMS, Cuba is in the position #5 of Latin America, behind Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, among other. " now i know this isnt a letter from your 'friend' because you stated this in another post and i already answered you, and i wont sit here and type again.

"Did you know that in spite of everything who he/she has access to a craft and do get a compass, does he/she rush to the "sea of the happiness" escaping from that hell?. " In my grandmothers home (where my two aunts, and newphew live) they have an early 20th century spanish compass, and they have no desire to leave. lol.

"Did you know that Cuba doesn't have with what to pay Venezuela the oil Credit-gift of Chávez, and the presumed payment, is another Loan-gift of Chávez, sending patient to the destartalados Havanan hospitals, where the equipment is very poor because they don't have as paying for the advanced modern teams of those "imperialistic?" " Its been stated, by even U.S. doctors and specialists, that cuba has some of the best doctors in the world, highly trained. Cuba does not have the most sophisticated facilities but the doctors do their job and they do it well. Cuba also provides numerous doctors for FREE to countries such as Haiti, Venezuala, and Uruguay.

"Did you know that the JINETERAS, are Cuban prostitutes, the most modern example in the new revolutionary morals? "
Did you know that before castro came into power cuba was the prositution capital of the world? Castro has lowered the prostitution rate VERY low compared to how high it was 50 years ago. same goes with drugs.

The paragraphs i didnt answer to where due to your poor translation (which is probably not your fault at all). We already debated this in Gen. politics section. do you have to keep spreading around your bullshit? Cuba's condition is not good, and the dictatorship is horrible, but dont make it seem 500 times worse than it actually is to make the U$ seem better, or make communism seem worse. Cuba is a poor example of communism.

PDH, you dont have to have a blockade to NOT hold relations with a country, and because of this blockade they are hurting the people more than the goverment. I dont think this is an appropriate way to deal with the situation, however you may look at it.

[Dan Majerle]

Excellent post PR677!

[Astrofro2001]

please post the link to the article. and Dan this is a message board, it's very possible that what PR677 said is correct but u cant trust it without checking up on the facts.

[Dan Majerle]

Astrofro alot of what PR677 was saying was from personal experience. I don't think he would be lying to the board. He would know better than Jose what really goes on in Cuba.

[PunkRawker677]

99% of what i speak on cuba is from personal experience, the rest is stuff i hear on the news or read in the daily paper. On personal experience (such as blackouts and candels, etc.) i cannot possibly cite any works or professional document. The rest, you are free to look up.

I am planning another trip to cuba within the next year, and will be compiling a photo journal with interviews with as many cubans i can possibly talk to in a short amount of time. I will talk to all cubans from different areas, ethnic backgrounds, and incomes. I wont say everyone in cuba is happy with the goveremnt, they are not. maybe its 60/40.. or many something similar to that.. i dont know the exact numbers, but i will try to obtain some solid ground for the members of this board, un-biased.

Astro-i dont know what arcticle you want me to post. but if youd like, for 29.95 on alot of places on the web, you can find out my background and everything about me, and it will probably tell you all the times i travelled to cuba.

[Astrofro2001]

PR i didnt mean any offence, but thanks for letting me know that it is from personal experiance. I didnt know before so I assumed that you read an article. Good luck in Cuba.

[man in the red suit]

i must say i am very confused. i didnt understand half of what was posted. are you guys for or against Cuba.
Kareem, don't bother. I know you hate Cuba you cappie.
hehe. No but really. Why did punkrawker just re-write what Josem wrote? Do you know what I'm talking about because I'm confused. Help me for god's sake.

(Edited by man in the red suit at 8:18 am on May 4, 2002)

[PunkRawker677]

I put parts of what he said in brackets (<<>>) and then underneath each paragraph i replied to each thing he said. I am not for the cuban goverment, nor for castro, but JoseM is blowing it out of proportion and i was just trying to make it seem as bad (or good) as it is.. not as bad as JoseM wants it to seem.

[wildflower8]

PunkRawker677- I go to Cuba every year and I'm goin again this July. I would love to take part in your idea if you'll let me. So if that sounds good to you let me know.
Also, I thought you and I had completely different political views on Cuba before, but now that I read this post I don't think our views are much different.

[Domino]

Seems like JoseM doesn't have an answer to that, heh! =P Excellent post PR677!

[PunkRawker677]

Wildflower, that would be excellent! I wont be able to go until next summer (i am taking summer courses at my college), so we could perhaps do a perspective change to see exactly how things progress in a year and how alot of the current events goin on in the world are effecting cuba. Contact me on AOL, or AIM at Punkrawker677, ill try and contact you as soon as possible.

[BatistaNationalista]

I agree 100% with you Jose, atleast someone else who knows what Cuba has turned into after the bloody castro coup.

[wildflower8]

PunkRawker- I'm looking forward to doing this w/you! It'll be fun. I'll send you my email adress or something, that way we can figure out how to talk about it.

[concerned]

Why are you people fooling yourselves. Life in Cuba is hard and people aren't precisely wealthy. Yes education and healthcare are ok, but they are pretty average for latinamerica, is not to make such a big deal. Besides it is a small island, providing widespread healthcare shouldn't be that hard since it seems it is the only thing they really have.

So if education is so good, why is this highly educated country so poor? And don't tell me it's not because it is. Most houses look like they are about to fall down and cubans are constantly following tourists to see if they can get some dollars, because the cuban currency is pretty much good for nothing.

In know what you are going to say, Cuba is poor because of the blockade, right. That's your answer to everything. Everything is America's fault. Blame it on the big guy, that's always the easiest thing to do.

The fact is that Cuba has received great amount of international aid. The Soviet Union gave billions, Sweden and other Scandinavian countries are still giving. Even Mecedes Benz has donated to Cuba. If you look at the figures closely you will see that actually Cuba has been benefited by the blockade because it has awaken the charity of many countries that otherwise wouldn't have done so. Not to mention the increase in tourism, that just comes as a benefit of being one of the one communist countries in the World.

You know, I wish the US end the blockade to Cuba. Not that this would change things in Cuba very much, since Cuba doesn't have money to buy anything anyways. I has operated for decades on loans that then never pays back. But if the US ends the blockade of Cuba it woudl take away once and for all the excuse that Castro has to blame all the misery in the island to it.

[concerned]

seems like a board full of socialists and commies don't have an answer to that huh...
or do you tete...

[Menshevik]

Cuba is basically poor because of the Blockade. American trade sanctions have ruined countries in the past, Concerned. Just look at Nicaragua, they chose not to become a little province of the Soviet, and they got embargoed up to their necks. So what if Scandinavian countries give aid, it obviously isn't enough. Cuba was a poor country before Castro and it remains an even poorer country, but not because of Communism. Besides a wealthy Communist society is an oxymoron. I wouldn't dwell on the poverty of Cuba as a result of Castro alone. I agree that life in Cuba is a daily calvary, but Castro's dictatorship and helpless stance for his people is more of a problem then poverty. When the embargo ends (which it looks like it might) we'll see Castro's ability to truly help Cuba. Don't misunderstand me, I definitely agree with you that people in Cuba have it really bad.

[concerned]

Yeah, the American blockade has affected Cuba, no doubt about it, that is what it was supposed to do. But I just don't think it is the real reason for their poverty. A country without ANY trade to the outside World should be able on its own to develop, provided that the political system allows this and that the people are at least a little bit industrious and ingenuous. On the other hand having trade doesn't make you rich either, you still have to come up with the resources to pay. Most African countries have a blockade of any kind, and it doesn't seem to be doing them any good.

And this is not even the case in Cuba, Cuba DOES have trade with a lot of countries despite the blockade. Venezuela is supplying them with free oil (technically speaking, since Cuba doesn't have anything to pay with, Castro agreed with crazy communist Chavez to pay in the form of "sport trainers" which would go to Venezuela, in other words, for free). A lot of other European, Asian and Latinamerican countries are trading with Cuba. Again since Cuba has no money to pay them it gives the promise to pay in the future, and then it never does. Cuba has been doing this thing consistently for many many years and it is always able to find a new moron willing to "trade" with them.

Plus it is receiving quite a considerable amount of aid from many countries and sympathizers. And yeah, of course it is not enough, all the money in the World would never be enough to pull out a country without an structure nor an economy, as Cuba.

About what you mention of Nicaragua, the reason Nicaragua is poor (and with it many central american countries as well which have had no trade sanctions whatsoever) is because of corruption in it's government. Not to mention high rates of delinquency and a war that affected severely the economy.