If Communism is so great then why do they suck?

[JoseM]

If Cuba is so great, then why do the people risk their lifes in the sea with crappy rafts to go to Miami to escape from the repression and the misery and povertY?

If Cuba is so great then why do people there is starving? And dont blame the USA embrago because Cuba treat turists like kings while the people is dying, and the leaders of the communist party are rich and eat a lot and can go outside of the country, while the people isnt allowed to go out.

If Cuba is so great and the marxism-leninism there is so succesfully then why do the people there is poor and the leaders including Fidel Castro are rich and living the lives of like a "monarchy". I also have to say that Fidel Castro is the most richiest Cuban of all times, and before being a guerilla-man he never worked. So how the *** did he do to get that rich??? The answer is obvious.

If Cuba is so great then why do people there die of diseases that can be easily cure? The embargo? i dont think so, because Cuba exports medicines and crap, but then why doesnt Fidel use those medicines to his people? i know why, it is because of the propaganga he wants to export.

If Cuba is so great then why does Fidel Castro wasted the Cuban money on arms and weapons and guerrillas to export the cuban revolution in the 60's. I as a latin person know very well of the latin american history, and a lot of countries here were full of guerrillas sponsored by Fidel Castro, then why did he used the money and resources to this guerrillas and why didnt he used it for the good of its own people? Also he expanded those guerrillas in Africa too.

If Cuba is so great then why does it's marxist-leninist goverment has the record of the most violatory of human rights in latin america?

If Cuba is so great and the socialist-communism-marxism-leninism regime there is so successfully why doesnt Fidel allow free elections or free press or freedom of speech there?

Thats all about Cuba, lets go to the other examples...
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If North Korea is so great then why do the people there is starving?

If The Soviet Union and its communist were the way the world should be then why did it collapsed?

Why did eastern europe countries liberated themselves of their communist regime? isnt communism the great ideology of the equality?

If capitalism is evil and communism is divine then why does North Korea sucks and why does South Korea is so damn successfully?

How many people were executed in Cambodia due to their communism?

Well i got so many examples of why communism sucks but ill just stop here and wait for answers.

[VolareMIRCantare]

Communism doesn't suck it's the leaders of the so called communist countries that suck. Most "commuist" leaders were corrupt dictators and their system of governmnet was not competly communist or any type of leftism. Hiter and the Nazis were the socialist party of Germany but as you know they weren't exactly socialists. Communism is great in THEORY but it needs a great leader, like Tito, to carry it out.

[I Will Deny You]

Socialism vs. Capitalism (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/forums.pl?forum=22): Only forum were right-wingers and cappies are tolerated.

(Hint, hint, hint.) It's not as if this hasn't been addressed before.

[RedCeltic]

Same old shit diffrent post...

[Xvall]

Well, If capitalism is so great -- Why is everyone in America, including my father, loosing their job?

If Capitalism is so great, why did Leopold the Second kill over 20,000,000 people in the quest for greed and money.

If Capitalism is so great, why is the United States in the bad position it is in now?

If capitalism is so great, Why was capitalism responsible for funding Adolph Hitler's campaign, which allowed him to become Feuher, and end up starting a world war that killed over 70,000,000 people?

[munkey soup]

If South Korea is so great, then why, in 1980, did the city of Kwangju and sixteen other municipalities in the Cholla region rise in rebellion against the U$ backed general who took power through a coup. Only, of course, to be brutally put down by U$ trained special forces that killed and injured up to 3,000 people, and spend the next two years brutally hunting down the remaining participants who fled to the mountains. And the general who ordered it all (Chun) ruled over SK for the next eight years, until he was succeeded by his co-conspirator in the coup, General Roh.

Both these men were later found (in 1996) guilty of sedition, for corruption, the mutiny in 1979, and the massacre of hundreds of pro-democracy demonstrators in Kwangju, only to be pardoned a year later.

And if South Korea is so great, then why does my friend, who is serving in the U$ military, give accounts of girls who are forced to work 6 days a week 12 hours a day, and if they want to take a day off, they must pay the place where they work. Why does he see streets dedicated to child-prostitution? Why does the military pay South Koreans less than a dollar a day to do harsh, manual labor, like digging trenches to lay miles and miles of cable?

[PunkRawker677]

alright.. im gonna have some fun with this because you are talking about something u OBVIOUSLY have no education on. Some of the stuff i wont answer because there is another post in this forum that explains most of what i will say.

<<If Cuba is so great then why do people there is starving? And dont blame the USA embrago because Cuba treat turists like kings >>

why not blame the U$, they are the richest country and they block trade by themselves and most of their allies to the country. plus anything made out of AT LEAST 20% u$ materials (almost everything on this planet) cannot be sold to cuba. Why treat tourists so good?? well, thats their only income right now besides the sugar trade with has been cripled thanks to the U$ embargo and numerous U$ chemical attacks on the sugar fields.

<<I also have to say that Fidel Castro is the most richiest Cuban of all times, and before being a guerilla-man he never worked. >>
haha.. Fidel Castro was a very well known lawyer and politician BEFORE even starting the revolution. And CASTRO is not rich. The only reason he drives is because Mercedes donated cars and busses to him a few years back.. and, hes not rich, as with everyone else on the island.

<<If Cuba is so great then why do people there die of diseases that can be easily cure? >>
this is the stupidest fucking thing i have ever heard. CUba invented the Vaccine for Meningitis, and the U.S. refuses to buy it because cuba is not their friend (who is letting there people die? i personally knew a kid who got meningitis, he no longer has any full limbs or complete brain use) Cuba has the same life expetancy as the U.$. AND they cannot even buy aspirin or any advanced medical equipment. and whos dieing from disesase? Cuba is the healthiest country out of south amd middle america! dumb shit.,..

i cant continue to answer anymore questions because i have to go take an exam, and your just talking out of your ass, you dont know history at all.. you dont know shit.. its kinda sad.

[Commie Canuck 15]

Ya this guy doesent even know what he's talking about. Cuba has one great healthcare system and a good education system(96% literacy rate and government paid university!) the average life expectancy in Cuba is 75 years(as opposed to the 63 years in the rest of latin america) and from what ive heard these guys coming across on the rafts are usaully criminals right?(or greedy capitalists) the other day i was reading some statistics in the new internationalist- around 60-70% of the population support Castro(which is more then supported Goerge W when he was elected!!) this guy needs to read abit more instead of listening to the american propaganda machine!

[j]

Damn. Good responses to the post. In the future it would be nice if people could post about the things they have SOME knowledge about (even if its a capitalist perspective).

j

[Commie Canuck 15]

Ya this guy doesent even know what he's talking about. Cuba has a good healthcare system and a good education system(96% literacy rate and government paid university!) the average life expectancy in Cuba is 75 years(as opposed to the 63 years in the rest of latin america) and from what ive heard these guys coming across on the rafts are usaully criminals right?(or greedy capitalists) the other day i was reading some statistics in the new internationalist- around 60-70% of the population support Castro(which is more then supported Goerge W when he was elected!!) this guy needs to read abit more instead of listening to the american propaganda machine!

[Commie Canuck 15]

oh yeah, Happy May Day! Comrades!:)

(Edited by Commie Canuck 15 at 11:04 pm on May 1, 2002)

[Hattori Hanzo]

OK, so we've established that it's good to live in Cuba, but is it necessary that Fidel rule it so long?

[JoseM]

Quote: from Commie Canuck 15 on 8:00 pm on May 1, 2002
Ya this guy doesent even know what he's talking about. Cuba has one great healthcare system and a good education system(96% literacy rate and government paid university!) the average life expectancy in Cuba is 75 years(as opposed to the 63 years in the rest of latin america) and from what ive heard these guys coming across on the rafts are usaully criminals right?(or greedy capitalists) the other day i was reading some statistics in the new internationalist- around 60-70% of the population support Castro(which is more then supported Goerge W when he was elected!!) this guy needs to read abit more instead of listening to the american propaganda machine!


Im dont know what im talking about??? plz where are you from?
Im from Venezuela and i have been in Venezuela and Miami, i have talked to 30+ cubans that escaped from Cuba. I have been in the cuban organizations that are based in Miami. What the hell are you going to know from europe or wherever u are? I know real life cubans i know what im talking about. Also search in the UNESCO, that is the main education organization in latin america. Please do u think u know more than me?
Do you think u know more than a cuban that actually suffered under fidel castro tyranny? dont make me laugh. Also those statistics that you are giving are false, i bet u got that info from a communist propaganda web page.
60% - 70% support castro? Dont make me laugh.
Wait i can b*u*l*l*s*h*i*t too... Hitler was a divine man from the heavens that was sent to the hearth to help the poor and the nice people.
What i just said about Hitler is compared with what u just said kid.
3 million of cubans that escaped from rafts are criminals? or greedy capitalists? knowning that the population in cuba was 11 million. Dont be so fucking ridicoulus. yeah greedy capitalists and criminals. Shut up before talking total bullshit.

[JoseM]

Quote: from Hattori Hanzo on 10:02 pm on May 1, 2002
OK, so we've established that it's good to live in Cuba, but is it necessary that Fidel rule it so long?


The people here have no idea of the life in Cuba, they just go to pro communists web pages read a flase statistic and eat the bull*s*h*it thinking is truth. While i have talked to real cubans.
Cuba a good life? lol jajajajajajaja, im from Venezuela (south america) and the life of a poor in Venezuela is much better than the life one of a common person in Cuba. How do i know that? I asked cubans in Venezuela.
Nice try people, but next time seach better before talking crap.

[Fabi]

shut the fuck up, we're not all stupid....

i am sort of left-winged, but since i havent had the time to go through all the historical and political bullshit i wont say i am pro communist/socialist/capitalist ...

just refer to my signature.... i am only here to express my opinion (if i happen to have one) and to read people's opinions to see if they make sense for me...

(i think cappies should be able to post wherever they want as long as they dont act like total morons....)

(peace)

[Nateddi]

Jose, the Cubans in Miami are rich anti-castro land owners, no wonder they tell you Batista was better.

[PunkRawker677]

Jose - you just openly said, practicaly, that i know more than you. You live in venezuela (and?) and u've been to miami (and?). I live in Miami, and i have been to cuba on many occassions. IF anyone doesnt know what they are talking about it is DEFINITLY you.

why do you come to a board and break the rules? go to your Soc vs. Cap section.
My whole family is in cuba.. NOT suffering.. Ask someone who lived in cuba during Batista's rule. They will tell you that Castro is a fucking god compared to Batista. (not that i think Castro is a god, nor a good ruler at that)

I AM NOT DEFENDING CASTRO. i DO NOT think he should still be in power, BUT dont come here spreading bullshit making it seem 10 times worse than it actually is.

[Acolombian]

JoseM : well said man!

Drake: Unemployment in the U.S. is very low, even in a bad cycle of the economy as right now. People in the U.S. have more wealth than anywhere else in the World. Get informed. If your dad is losing his job maybe it's because he is as smart as you.

[Acolombian]

Nateddi: You are right cubans in Miami are rich, a lot richer than someone living on Cuba can ever dream of at least (unless again you happen to be a buddy of Castro and work for the governement).

Jose: It's probably worthless to try to put some sense into these people. Nice try though. There cannot be much intelligence found in a place where they worship an assassin line Che Guevara was.

[CheGuevara]

Che Guevara never killed anyone with a chainsaw.

[BOZG]

Che Guevara never killed anyone with a chainsaw.

Indeed. Not that it'll make any fact but it's all good.



You need people like me, so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say 'That's the bad guy'. Well say 'Goodnight' to the bad guy.

[Son of Scargill]

Someone who worships a group responsible for the majority of all massacres in Colombia can't be too clever then,according to your reasoning,acolombian.

[Son of Scargill]

(Edited by Son of Scargill at 8:19 am on May 3, 2002)

[Lakay]

communism is our highest stage of human development. So why can't we get a communist government? That's because Imperialist don't like this system. They want us to be stuck in capitalist stage so that they can continue earning big income. It is up to us, the lower and mid-class people to onward this system not for our benefit, but for our children and grand children. Revolution is the best answer for our problems today. Lets raise our fist and stand up for our rights!

[concerned]

Hey son of scargill,

You are right, someone who worships a group responsibnle for the majority of majority of massacres in Colombia can't be too clever either.

And if you want to know who is that group it is FARC, not the AUC. Farc is by far the group that has committed the greatest number of massacres. Any colombian knows that. So stop reading that crap of HRW and Amnesty International, because they just don't have to leave in Colombia and they have been manipulated for years by the guerrillas in their reports.