If communist is the way the world should be then...

[JoseM]

Europe and Asia experienced with a lot of suffering and blood when communism was there. Communist countries collapsed and China had to change to a more open market economy because it learned from the collapse of the Soviet Union. Anyways if the communism is the equality and justice for everyone then why did it collapsed and why did the people from each former communist country had to revolt against their tyranic communist regime?

Remember Poland, Rumania, Hungary and even the own Russians revolted against their communist goverments.

The 20th century proved that communism is a failure and Europe and Asia are witnesses of this with a count of 100 million deaths. Yes that's it, 100 million of deaths is what communism has in it's count. More evil than the facism with 40 million of deaths, the communism around the world has claimed 100.000.000 lives in the last 80 years and it is still counting with Cuba and North Korea still there with their communism, and we can add the deaths of april in Venezuela to the communism too. Because it is a known fact that Fidel has his hands very deep into the Venezuela goverment.

The misery and bloody hands of the communism has plagued Venezuela now, and the main question is... will Venezuela fall under the hands of the communism?
...Will Latin America repeat the history of the things that happened in Europe and Asia decades ago?

Communism has failed once, but it seems that that evil ideology still wants a second round, this time in Latin America.


(Edited by JoseM at 1:06 am on May 1, 2002)

[Vladimir]

Ah yes, and capitalism has succeded has it? Are all the people in capitalist as rich and comfortable as ''Ronald Mcdonald'', no i dont think so. Capitalism doesnt work because of greed, it cannot work and we need another type of system.

Capitalism will die with its oil.
Also, You are a Cappie yes? Then go back to the Soc v Cap forum.

[PunkRawker677]

go post in your cage.. no here..

but ill answer your question anyways considering you cant distinguish WHY communism failed. It was because of the goverment, not necesarilly the economic system in place. The totalitarian goverments (something all communists, etc. should be opposed to) made the people revolt.. if it was democratic socialism, then everything would have been different..

go back to your cage..

[BOZG]

Not to forget all the trade barriers placed on communist countries which forced many of these countries into poverty and which wouldn't allow them to build an economy able to feed the people.

[liderDeFARC]

Yes BOZG, the embargoes definetaly have pushed them to evil. See the u$ plays a major part in the evil. It doesnt let the countries succeed. The u$ does things to hurt them, so they give in to the "free" market. Next why dont you also add the old age deaths from North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela.........
You dont belong here, if you havent noticed.

[bindi020]

why the soviet union collapsed was nothing to do with communisim failing it was from a sieries of events starting in early russian histry that this occurd after nikita kcreshev russia collapsed because when russia invaded berlin and won the war gregorian zerchoph built the famous berlin wall to keep what he faught for seperating russians and west germans then manny years later allong came Gorbachev who was in with ronald regan and decided that communisim wasnt suiting his capitilist ways and ripped the wall down and pulled the statue of lennin down declairing glastnost
this event had russia in termoil and caused states such as ukrania and other souronding states to break away and form there own indipendence...althow gorbachev lives in America now and dosent want to taste the russia he has left for the mighty soviets
althow i think that putin will be a great leader for russia

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from PunkRawker677 on 6:57 pm on May 1, 2002
go post in your cage.. no here..

but ill answer your question anyways considering you cant distinguish WHY communism failed. It was because of the goverment, not necesarilly the economic system in place. The totalitarian goverments (something all communists, etc. should be opposed to) made the people revolt.. if it was democratic socialism, then everything would have been different..

go back to your cage..


nice statement

[Lardlad95]

An economic/political system can't fail, thats impossible because as long as there are people who agree with it it hasn't failed. THe reason the USSR crumbled was because of the way the government went about things, not because of communism

[honest intellectual]

The 20th century proved that communism is a failure and Europe and Asia are witnesses of this with a count of 100 million deaths. Yes that's it, 100 million of deaths is what communism has in it's count. More evil than the facism with 40 million of deaths, the communism around the world has claimed 100.000.000 lives in the last 80 years and it is still counting with Cuba and North Korea still there with their communism,

Capitalism kills 168,000 weekly thgrough hunger caused by an unequal distribution of resources.


and we can add the deaths of april in Venezuela to the communism too. Because it is a known fact that Fidel has his hands very deep into the Venezuela goverment.
The murders in Venezuela were commited by anti-government military leaders, not by the president of Venezuela, and certainly not by the president of Cuba

[flames of the flag]

captalism is in the process of killing many, many more than communism ever did:
we cant really count how many people's health has been destroyed by eating mcdonalds and drinking coke,
never mind how many will die due to climate change and breathing pollution regularly, then we have gmf's, no becuase of capt greed, the averager person is a corporate guinee pig, who knows what were eating, and who knows how many ppl will in the next decade die as a result of capitalism
-flames

[VolareMIRCantare]

JoseM, since you seem so pessimistic about communism may I suggest you learn about Josip Broz (Tito) and to read TavareeshKamo's post called "This was my Yugoslavia", its in general politics.

[Acolombian]

Communism failed because you cannot just order around people what to do. Also when people no matter what they do, receive the same amount of money, this doesn't really incentivate hard work or better products.

And I also wanted to make a comment to that guy associating Capitalism with McDonalds. Hey c'mon, McDonalds is just a restaurant, the fact that you don't like its food doesn't mean that capitalism is bad. I fail to see the relation...???????????????!!!!!

[Acolombian]

By the way, you people should really read a book called "Eat the Rich" by P.J. O'Rourke

[Revolution Hero]

I would like to list the historical fact. Befor USSR collapsed , the referendum was held and the majority of Soviet citizens were for the communistic union. As I remember there were like 80-90% votes for the USSR.
Then, the question rises by itself, who have ruined the whole system? Fuckin traitors and renegades of the communist party, whose names are Gorbachev, Eltsin, Kuchma and others. Those people who were at the top . Their act was totally unlawful and was made by breaking USSR's constitution.

Yes, USSR wasn't totally democratic country. We have their historical experience now, and we learn from their mistakes.
But, are capitalists country democratic? Sayings that USA is a true democracy are bullshit. Those who enjoy true democracy in a capitalist states are rich fuckin exploiters , not poor ones. Who rule the capitalist government? Capitalist who represents the interests of other capitalists. So, FUCK THAT!!!!
Fight , my comrades! FIGHT!!!

[Revolution Hero]

I would like to list the historical fact. Befor USSR collapsed , the referendum was held and the majority of Soviet citizens were for the communistic union. As I remember there were like 80-90% votes for the USSR.
Then, the question rises by itself, who have ruined the whole system? Fuckin traitors and renegades of the communist party, whose names are Gorbachev, Eltsin, Kuchma and others. Those people who were at the top . Their act was totally unlawful and was made by breaking USSR's constitution.

Yes, USSR wasn't totally democratic country. We have their historical experience now, and we learn from their mistakes.
But, are capitalists country democratic? Sayings that USA is a true democracy are bullshit. Those who enjoy true democracy in a capitalist states are rich fuckin exploiters , not poor ones. Who rule the capitalist government? Capitalist who represents the interests of other capitalists. So, FUCK THAT!!!!
Fight , my comrades! FIGHT!!!

[Anarcho]

Flames, I disagree with you on one point here.

If people drink Coke and eat at McDonalds, it is not the fault of capitalism if they get fat or have heart problems.

There must always be a personal accounting for what one does.... nobody is forced to eat at McDonalds. Just because it is there is not a good enough answer, and I deny brainwashing of the media. I get subjected to the same media (moreso, as I have children) and I don't eat at McDonalds nearly as much as I used to.

Personal accountability.

[RedCeltic]

ACOLUMBIAN: READ THIS BEFORE YOU POST AGAIN!!!

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/top...um=22&topic=174 (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=174)

(Edited by RedCeltic at 5:09 am on May 3, 2002)

[Smoking Frog II]

I agree that leftism isn't a henry as bad as capitalism.
The problem is greed. the rich should donate more in the Us, Britain e.t.c.

"Gutemala is the Switzerland of Latin America"

wear your red star for Castro and Guevara

[concerned]

The rich should donate more in the US, Britain... etc.

who says so? Why should they? It's their money, and as far as they worked for it, they can do with it what they like. Why don't you donate yourself all of your belongings?

And to your information the US is by far the most altrustic country both in terms of dollars spent (debt reief and direct monetary aid) and in people and organizations contributing service and aid abroad. Just recently Bill Gates donated several billion dollars to fight aids in Africa, and so did the white house.. and this is just a tiny example there are tons more out there if you want..

Just because you don't get informed and don't hear about it, doesn't mean it is not happening...

It is anyway not something they SHOULD do, it is entirely they option and you are not anybody to say what they should and shouldn't do.

Why don't the rich donate more in Cuba? Oh because there are no rich in Cuba, everybody is poor, how wonderful, the system works!, sorry about that, just forgot.

[Fabi]

you are not FORCED to eat at mcdonald's, but i still think kids can be brainwashed...
and also mcdonald's is way more than just a fast food restaurant... they are assholes who pay way too low wages, dont/didnt tell about all the ingredients and among other things also dont let their employees form unions.

and bill gates can donate all the money he wants to better his image, but he is still being an asshole to a lot of his employees... hey wait.. a lot of them arent his employees, but are temps.... BUT THATS THE POINT. microsoft selects the people and then some temp-company employs them FOR microsoft.. now, that doesnt sound fair to me...