Is the U.S. Fascist?

[thescarface1989]

Is the U.S. Fascist? Explain your opinion please.

[Bright Banana Beard]

No it is not. If it is then internet and visa will be heavily restricted and we will see the dominance over the Native American land and the union wouldn't exist.

[Psy]

The US is not fascist, yet there is a fascist element in the US ruling class. There are members of the ruling class that thinks the crises in capital are caused by bourgeois democracy and want a static class system along blood lines similar to that of feudalism.

[BIG BROTHER]

No, because its goverment is a burgoise democracy.

[thescarface1989]

So economically it is still Capitalist?

[Psy]

So economically it is still Capitalist?
Fascism is a political system of Capitalism. Hyper reactionary capitalist turn to fascism as fascism promises them a end to class struggle and crises in capitalism.

[Os Cangaceiros]

So economically it is still Capitalist?

If the US had a fascist economy, I suspect that it would be a lot more state capitalist than it is today, i.e. the state's influence in industry and economics would be more far reaching than it is today.

[Sankofa]

The United States may not be exactly text book Fascism yet but it's certainly walking a fine line.

Calling it Fascist wouldn't be too far from the truth.

[Faux Real]

There are plenty seeds of fascism within the American system, there's no denying that. It is closer to the Italian system than Nazi one.

The manufacturing of consent could give way to fascism eventually seeing how efficiently it's worked for the American ruling class during the last last century.

[spartan]

I have always been told that there are elements of Fascist Corporatism in the American economic and political system ever since the days of Roosevelt and the New Deal.

Though alternatively others say that the New Deal was an example of "Socialism":lol:

[Os Cangaceiros]

I've often thought that, with the way people use the term "fascist", it's difficult to nail down exactly what a "fascist economy" looks like.

For example, Pinochet and Franco are both described as being "fascists" by some, but their economies were structured very differently.

All in all, I think that fascist is an overused term, to some extent.

[F9]

No.But some "heads" inside goverment of US we can say that they are fascists!

Fuserg9:star:

[thescarface1989]

I have always been told that there are elements of Fascist Corporatism in the American economic and political system ever since the days of Roosevelt and the New Deal.

Though alternatively others say that the New Deal was an example of "Socialism":lol:

Thats strange, and yet the Corporate fascists wanted to overthrow FDR's government and install a Fascist one like the ones from Italy and Germany at that time.

[rocker935]

The United States may not be exactly text book Fascism yet but it's certainly walking a fine line.

Calling it Fascist wouldn't be too far from the truth.

lol, i was totally about to make that point. I entirely agree with you.

[Awful Reality]

Okay, going by the general definition of fascism...

Uber-Nationalist: Somewhat
Stamocap: No.
Police State: Yes.

So yes, arguably. It's toing a fine line, as was said earlier.

[Psy]

Okay, going by the general definition of fascism...

Uber-Nationalist: Somewhat
Stamocap: No.
Police State: Yes.

So yes, arguably. It's toing a fine line, as was said earlier.

Fascism usually devolves quickly into a military junta, meaning you don't have a police state but a military state, if you look at Nazi Germany not even the police forces were safe from arrest from the SS and ending up in a concentration camp.

[THKO]

no they aren't and they can't because america inhabitants aren't from america. people emigrate to america to live they aren't real inhabitants real inhabitants was indians and they were killed

[Asoka89]

I've often thought that, with the way people use the term "fascist", it's difficult to nail down exactly what a "fascist economy" looks like.

For example, Pinochet and Franco are both described as being "fascists" by some, but their economies were structured very differently.

All in all, I think that fascist is an overused term, to some extent.


Great point, some "fascist" economies were were pretty national socialist (state-capitalist), some were pretty Keyensian to an extent, and others like Pinochet were very free-market.

And no the US is not fascist, stop throwing around that term unless in the right contexts, there are some elements of the religious right that might be borderline, but I dont think the US is at all

[Killer Enigma]

Okay, going by the general definition of fascism...

Uber-Nationalist: Somewhat
Stamocap: No.
Police State: Yes.

So yes, arguably. It's toing a fine line, as was said earlier.
I find it funny that you are a self-professing Trotskyist with a picture of Trotsky in his avatar, yet you use an infantile definition of fascism which Trotsky himself disagreed with vehemently. Those elements which you put forth (and your claim that the U.S. is a police state is utterly absurd, not to mention unwarranted) are not defining characteristics, nor provide a "general definition of fascism". From Fascism; What it is and how to fight it (http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm#p2):

"When a state turns fascist, it does not mean only that the forms and methods of government are changed in accordance the patterns set by Mussolini -- the changes in this sphere ultimately play a minor role -- but it means first of all for the most part that the workers' organizations are annihilated; that the proletariat is reduced to an amorphous state; and that a system of administration is created which penetrates deeply into the masses and which serves to frustrate the independent crystallization of the proletariat. Therein precisely is the gist of fascism...."

[Asoka89]

Well said Killer Enigma

[chegitz guevara]

There is a very simple test to determine if you live in a fascist society and you are a communist. Are you alive? If you can answer that question, you do not live in a fascist society.

[Psy]

There is a very simple test to determine if you live in a fascist society and you are a communist. Are you alive? If you can answer that question, you do not live in a fascist society.
But what about the Italian revolutionary army that killed Mussolini? I know it is nit picking but during the revolution against Mussolini, it was not the communists that had problems staying alive, rather it was the fascists that had serious problems staying alive.

[Luís Henrique]

No, the United States aren't fascist at all.

And fascism is not a monolithic ideology; it is composed by different and contradictory pieces, so it is not much useful to try to pin fascist "elements" in the United States.

Furthermore, fascism happens as a process and is very different in its initial steps than it is in its final stages, so this "analytic" view of fascism is close to useless. Fascism happens when repression against the working class movement is impossible within the legal frame of a society, and so illegal squads, tolerated by the police, are used against working class organisations. There is nothing similar in the United States, where the "democratic" procedures are pretty able to deal with the working class resistance within the bourgeois legal frame.

Luís Henrique

[chegitz guevara]

But what about the Italian revolutionary army that killed Mussolini? I know it is nit picking but during the revolution against Mussolini, it was not the communists that had problems staying alive, rather it was the fascists that had serious problems staying alive.

As fascist states go, Fascist Italy was the least fascist. Ironic, huh?

[Psy]

As fascist states go, Fascist Italy was the least fascist. Ironic, huh?
The same could have happened in Nazi Germany, what was missing in Nazi Germany was simply leadership and German workers realizing they had nothing left to lose during WWII. Remember German troops got their asses handed to them in Italy and Greece by insurgency, if there was the same kind of insurgency inside Germany during WWII it would have been just as successful.

[mykittyhasaboner]

pretty much all the main ingredients that make up "fascism" are present in the united states. strong nationalism, authoritarian government, racial inequality and suppression, and an emperialistic forgein policy.