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Xvall
3rd May 2002, 01:27
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So, Coroprations are good you say?
IBM is helpful to humankind you say?
We'll See about that, now won't we..

It has been over 50 years since Adolph Hitler took his life in a small underground bunker near Berlin. And while, for many, the Holocaust that he planned and executed against the Jewish population of Europe is a thing of the past - a dark chapter of our history that serves a reminder of man's inhuman potential - for others, it is a subject of unrelinquished sorrow and tireless investigation.


It is in the latter camp that we find Edwin Black, author of the Pulitzer Prize-nominated international bestseller IBM and the Holocaust. The book, which documents IBM's direct links to Hilter and his so-called 'Final Solution' by providing the Third Reich with census machines and punch card technology, caused IBM to issue a formal statement claiming that the Nazis controlled the operations of IBM Germany during the war. But Edwin's research shows that Thomas J. Watson, founder and president of IBM during the company's financial relationship with the Nazis, exercised more hands-on control of the operation than they care to admit.


In his Guerrilla News directorial debut, Paul Shore interviews the author and deploys GNN's trademark design aesthetic in what is sure to be one of the most controversial documentaries about U.S. corporate complicity with the Nazi regime.
Astrofro2001
3rd May 2002, 03:25
Ford was a well documented supporter of Nazis. You give an example of IBM as an example that ALL corporations are evil. Whoever said IBM was human kind? I knew of IBM's role in the Nazi regime well before this book, but how is it important? Did their coders really cause the Holocaust. Once again pointless. Is it our fault the founders of IBM were facist. Now IBM is owned by a totaly different group of people including stock holders so your point is lost to me once again. Thanks for any reply...
munkey soup
3rd May 2002, 04:29
IBM refused for many years to even admit they helped Nazi Germany. They do not represent humankind, but their lying represents most corporations.
Xvall
3rd May 2002, 06:11
Uh..
I never used this as an argument for 'coroprate evil', I'm just saying that corporations aren't necesarrily 'good', and that IBM has done some very bad things in the past... And Yes, I do realize that IBM is owned by completely diffirent people now, and that the current peopel in charge of IBM should not be blamed for this. However, they are still hiding the evidence and facts that their predecessors helped out Adolph.
Ernest Everhard
3rd May 2002, 19:43
your first question implied that you would prove corporations are evil.
Xvall
3rd May 2002, 21:13
Not necesarrily..
I'm just proving that corporations aren't good..
Saying that they would be good, would be indicating that IBM was good as well..
That's sort of a loose loose pharse, I should have said it diffirently...

- Drake Dracoli
Astrofro2001
4th May 2002, 03:13
You just said that corporations arent good but then you said that we couldnt call them good because then IBM would be good... You just made a generalization that you stated you wouldnt make directly after.
Menshevik
4th May 2002, 19:08
A lot of corporations supported Nazi Germany because the Nazis had saved German economy. After the German depression had ended, countless companies, including British and American ones, wanted to assist because such an economic growth would have wonderful effects on the global economy. These companies like IBM wanted to strike while the iron was hot and demand in Germany was up. After the war started, well that's another matter. I don't see how any corporation especially one like IBM could have direct linkings to the "final solution." But I suppose anything is possible.
IzmSchism
5th May 2002, 15:06
hitler had a picture of Ford in his office during the entire war.
BatistaNationalista
6th May 2002, 04:21
Guess what.

Germany needed computing equipment, they also need automobiles.

If IBM or Ford wouldn't do it, someone would. You pick on any company which decides to provide services to a country trying to reunite itself.
angry
6th May 2002, 15:55
/quote
You pick on any company which decides to provide services to a country trying to reunite itself.

BATISTANATIONALISTA!!!!!
MAN O MAN
I got so angry when I read that, you nazi piece of shit,
I knew you were an asshole, but this, this is to far you just declared that you supported nazi ideology!!!
I ask you once and for all to leave this web and never ever come back!!! you would be doing us all a favor...!
Ernest Everhard
6th May 2002, 22:19
how is he supporting nazi ideology?
IzmSchism
6th May 2002, 23:42
ernest, either YOU are one naive prick sickkk asshole,. or your just another piece of trash, either way, how the fuck can you say that?
how can you honestly believe that IBM had no idea of what their technology was being used for, for crying out loud they had to design the machines custom for the germans, and how did it last for so long?? you honestly fucking believe that IBM and whoever lent their goods and services to the NAzi's should be blame free, in the words of RAGE, WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!
angry
7th May 2002, 00:17
"You pick on any company which decides to provide services to a country trying to reunite itself." BN

Think EE, think! "to a country trying to reunite itself" yeah with killing jews!?!?!? and invating other countries and killing jews there, how is that supposed to help the country reunite...?!?!?!

THINK!
Ernest Everhard
7th May 2002, 08:56
You're operating under the false assumption that any of these companies were aware of the actions of the third reich. All i'm saying is that doing business with the third reich doesn't make the companies supporters of Nazi ideology, much less nazis. Would you go on to characterize the whole german nation and peoples as Nazi's because they labored under the government of the third reich, probably not, history certainly hasn't, so why characterize these companies in the same manner?
Mac OS Revolutionary
7th May 2002, 09:27
All the more reason to buy a Macintosh
angry
7th May 2002, 21:39
EE the people didnīt have a choice did they?!?!?
And I hope you know they DID know they were working for the naziz, companies know who they are working for..IBM offered their service...I was saying he was supporting nazi ideology īcause he said the naziz were only trying to reunite their nation! and that is bullshit!
btw, why hasnīt he answered me yet? did the operators ban him...:)