non-latino immigrants in your country, with a question to follow..

[R_P_A_S]

When we talk about immigration. we generally think of latinos who come to the U.S. well I'd like to ask people here who are from other countries what kind of immigrants do they see in their towns?

Reason I ask is because I was listening to "news public radio" and they were covering a story on Jordan and the "Egyptian immigrants that are now flooding the country".. mainly to do construction work. The report said that construction is on a boom... and there is a higher demand for high rise apartments with many residential amenities(gyms, pools, and resort style themes)

A Jordanian petty bourgeoisie said that he hires Egyptian workers simply because they are cheaper than his patriotic counterparts. He also said that Jordanians didn't want to get their hands dirty or don't like to do hard work like the Egyptians do... Then an owner of a gas station complained about the Egyptian workers waiting outside her business for contractors to hire them to do a days work... A customer of the gas station complained about the Egyptian immigrants standing around and harassing women the pass by. While an other said that they are the reason Jordan has over 30% unemployment...

WOW!

I could not ignore the EXACT resemblance between an egyptian immigrant. The Jordanian petty bourgeoisie and common citizen. with that one of a Mexican immigrant and his American boss and xenophobic neighbors...
I mean EVEN how they complain that "immigrants harass the women" Americans say that same shit about the Mexicans waiting for work outside the home depot...

So, I can't help to wonder.. "who are the exploited 'immigrant mexicans' of... Spain, Dubai, Australia, India, China, or any other country out there???" I had a general Idea that there was immigration in other places... specially when 2 years ago I visited Canada, and last year England and noticed how.. Polish and Pakistani people seem to be "the mexicans" of England. (i use the mexican reference because I am mexican)

QUESTION:

I'm trying to link all this up... I wanna point the finger at the source of what's causing people to wanna leave behind their families, risk their lives and be exploited in order to make a living. I know that it is in Mexico. but are the conditions the same for say in Egypt?

Also an other thing.. this must happen world wide.. workers in lines, waiting hours sometimes days... to get exploited... with no real future or security.. it's fucking sick.. is this our future? is this what the working class has to reduce it self to do, in order to survive???

Are we for certain socialism can be the antidote to this ill? how?

[F9]

a lot of immigrants come in cyprus and due to her place.Palestinians, kourds,all over the africa,libanon,syria.those i can think now!

Fuserg9:star:

[Gold Against The Soul]

Yes, of course this is happening worldwide!

Britain has historically had large numbers of immigrants from its former colonies. Ireland being the most obvious one. But also people from the Indian subcontinent and the West Indies. Many of these people were granted British citizenship after the war and took up their option of coming to Britain. This was then rolled back in the 60s and 70s.

The last wave has indeed been mainly from Poland and Eastern Europe. Around 1.2m have come since these nations were admitted to the EU in 2004. The bosses talk exactly like that Jordanian. Classic divide and rule. The Poles are not more hard working. There just over more of a barrel than compared with British workers and have more incentive. In areas without high numbers of migrants, British workers do these jobs. So it is nothing to do with certain sets of workers not wanting to get their hands dirty.

I think it needs to be remembered that this is nothing much new. People have been forced to move for a better life or just to survive, since the emergence of capitalism. First the immigration happened within the state. So people in rural areas in Britain emigrated to urban areas to join other workers in the factories. Now this has gone global and people are just coming from further afield.

The answer is the same as always - solidarity with fellow workers, no matter where they're from. Ultimately we hopefully begin to stop this mad chase for capital all across the world.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Where I live in Alaska, the number of Filipino immigrants is incredibly high. In fact, where I attended high school, the ratio of students was more diverse than most inner city schools in the lower 48 states (there are many Hispanic immigrants here, as well).

They mostly work in the canneries, where they receive low pay and harsh working conditions and hours. A lot of Mexican immigrants and some Eastern European immigrants, especially Russians and Poles, do this as well. Working for 16 or 17 hours a day isn't uncommon at all. One of my friends worked in one, and hated it, although the overtime payed a lot better than the regular, bare minimum wage for regular hours.

In the summer, a large influx of Turkish immigrants (mostly students from Turkey) comes to work in the canneries.

I'm not exactly sure what the economic situation is in Eastern Europe/Turkey or the Phillipines. Actually, from what I've gathered from the Filipinos that I've talked to, it isn't good.

[Bright Banana Beard]

There are many Hispanic in my areas that Collier County is ranked 2nd for new resident in 2004. They just mainly mixed of Latin America but the majority is Mexican. About 70% of our school need economical assistance, therefore they get free lunch and the lunch is usually crowed. Their parents have to work so hard to get 40 buck for a day and many of them move too many times in a month. However, our school is very tolerate toward any immigration and they treat it as white minority in school too, there is Latin culture many time in a school year but didn't see American culture celebration despite that about 90% of our teacher is white. The teacher in my school are in sympathy with the immigrant about the politics. And second, we only have 1 fight a year but it broken up quickly by the student, there also no gang and bullying is very discouraged. Simple, we aware about the harsh life of the world.

[Faux Real]

I'm trying to link all this up... I wanna point the finger at the source of what's causing people to wanna leave behind their families, risk their lives and be exploited in order to make a living. I know that it is in Mexico. but are the conditions the same for say in Egypt?
Egypt is run by a monarchic dictator who loves free trade with no restriction. This allows the international, but in particular American bourgeoisie to pursue their capitalist interests - outsourcing for larger profit - at the detriment of the average Egyptian worker. With deterioration of the domestic Egyptian market and no opportunity of organizing they have almost no other alternative but escape Egypt to the closest democratic or free society, the kingdom of Jordan. :glare:

There are plenty of parallels with Mexican workers migrating to the US.

Also an other thing.. this must happen world wide.. workers in lines, waiting hours sometimes days... to get exploited... with no real future or security.. it's fucking sick.. is this our future? is this what the working class has to reduce it self to do, in order to survive???
That's globalization, you should read Lenin's Imperialism (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marxists.org%2Farchive%2Fleni n%2Fworks%2F1916%2Fimp-hsc%2F&ei=_ErbR4fxLoGSgAO6mvS1CA&usg=AFQjCNFGYdXQ4mySMTqK4wHijZB3QcptcQ&sig2=2Ggg_Ht18QywE1jb_PTwrg).


Are we for certain socialism can be the antidote to this ill? how?Mhm.


Immigration is not an ill, it should be a welcome trend. The problem arises when people are living under free trade and unfree living conditions, forced to leave in the search of a better life - as is sold to them.

Without the driving down of "wages" (whatever form they will take on under post-cappie society), outsourcing, overproduction and so on the root causes of forced immigration are eliminated.

[lombas]

Moroccans all over the place here.

[Apollodorus]

To my knowledge, we do not have any particular races making upon any certain sectors. We do have a lot of immigrants (in descending order): Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Vietnamese, Thais, Kiwis, Indians, Pakistanis and other Indo-Aryans. But none of these (with the exception of perhaps the Japanese, but many left this city with all the redundancies about ten years ago) work in low-paying jobs, industry, or anything in cheap labour. Indians and Pakistanis get good jobs, better than most, as doctors and dentists. The Indo-Aryans in this city are a rich minority. The East Asians seem to get educated here by themselves, that is, go through secondary and tertiary education in rented flats, colleges and billetings; but I have never actually seen them do any work whatsoever.

So no, there is no foreign cheap labour class in Australia. To my knowledge, at least.

[Red_or_Dead]

We have a pretty weird situation going on here with accepting and providing immigrants. Young people with good educations (which are not that rare, since we still have a very strong public sector in education) are leaving to work in more developed EU countries. On the other hand, immigrants from other parts of fmr. Yugoslavia and, since we joined EU in 04, from Slovakia and Romania, those immigrants come here to do the low paid jobs. This leads me to the conclusion, that there are not only countries from which immigrants come, and those that immigrants go to, there are also countries that fill both criteria.

[Faux Real]

Did we answer your question RPAS?

[Devrim]

We don't have many immigrants in Turkey though there is a lot of internal migration from East to West.

When I worked in a car factory in the Czech Republic, there were a lot of Poles, about 2,000 working in the factory.


In the summer, a large influx of Turkish immigrants (mostly students from Turkey) comes to work in the canneries.

Some of our members have done this.

Devrim

[Gitfiddle Jim]

My city was until recently one of the least ethnically diverse cities in Britain. However the last ten years has seen thousands of refugees come over from Kurdistan, Kosovo and several African countries (most notably Zimbabwe, DR Congo and Malawi), which has caused unrest among the "natives" and given way to a more right leaning working class, hence the growing popularity of the BNP scum. There are also loads of Turkish and Chinese restaurants.

[Raúl Duke]

In Puerto Rico we had mostly Dominican immigrants...

I recall that they were the butt of jokes (i.e. in PR we don't have "polish jokes" like in the US but instead Dominican ones.)

However, we had no ill will against these immigrants. Although they are preferred by consumers so I don't know what is the opinion of a Puerto Rican worker.

I found it amusing that recently some here where I lived was complaining about how lazy and shoddy the Dominican workers were when in Puerto Rico we don't have that opinion towards them but instead on our own Puerto Rican workers!

We also had Asian (probably all except Japanese) immigrants but they seemed to be tied to Asian food businesses or nail/hair salons and are not conspicuous .