My Conversion.. - For anyone wandering about me...

[Xvall]

Well, I never really spoke out to everyone about how I became a communist, or what made me act communistic. And no Raegan, I did not convert becaues of a 'video game', or because I liked their military uniform or their national anthem. In fact, I didn't even know what the Soviet Union was about until I stumbled upon the place that made me change my views from an average citizen, to a 'communist'. The change took a while, but eventually it went through.

The place that 'converted' me was not a communist rally, or a socialist meeting. In fact, it wasn't even a leftist person or a leftist site. It was the exact oppsite. A right-wing, anti-communist web site converted me to a communist. And it was NOT because of the people arguing with the capitalists on the message board. I didn't become a communist out of 'spite' for them, in fact, I thought communism was a bit bad before I met them. They insisted that communism and the communists of the world as a whole were responsible for the death of 100,000,000 people. They also referred to the socialists, anarchists, and communists on the board as 'murderous vermin'. The only people who sided with the capitalists were nazis who refered to Martain Luther King as an 'evil communist', and homophobic idiots who came in and praised the AIDS virus for 'exterminating fags'. Now, at first, this didn't affect me that much, I was too busy curious with the 100,000,000 people that supposedly died as a result of communism.

Then it hit me. That these people had no argument at all. All they did was rant on endlessly about Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. Saying that they are the spawn of 'communism' and that their deeds are to be forever recorded in 'communist history'. I thought to my self -

"Wait a minute, that's not right. Why should 'communism' be held resposible for the crimes of some people who claimed they were communists. Hitler was white, and I in no way believe that white people are responsible for the deed of the Riech."

When I questioned them on the subject, they said I was stupid, and that the communists were getting to me. Fact was, they had no argument against communism. Their main facts, other than a few dictators crimes, were that socialist and russian women were supposedly ugly, and that 'communists are taking control of our school system'. They never argued against communism itself, they never spoke out against the manifesto, let alone read it. They just said that communism would 'steal' their private property, and ruin their 'democracy'. Well, I was getting curious about this, and began to look into it. I started reading the manifesto they 'prescribed' to me, in order to learn of it's 'evils', and instead, it had the exact oppisite affect on me. I became intrigued in communism, and began to like it, at least in theory. I read on the Soviet Union, and began to dislike Stalin and a lot of the things they did, but remained a communist, not believeing that the whole of a thoery was 'evil' because of a few bad people that claimed that their acts were done in devotion to it. So eventually I became a communist, and began debating against the people on the board.

They didn't like the fact that a non-communist was converted to a communist by a bunch of anti-communists. So they began threatening me, and claiming I was the subject of communist propoganda, even though the only way I found out about any of it was because of them.

So basically....
I was influenced into communism, not by leftists, but as a matter of fact, by a bunch of Anti-Communist Right-Wingers...

Just thought everyone should know that...

- Drake Dracoli

[Moskitto]

I did not convert becaues of a 'video game'

It was not a "video game" because it did not involve a video input based console system.

Wait, I'm getting nerdy here.

I'm just in a good mood because my "Final Solution" as I called it has worked.

Wait that's not a good thing to call it.

If you want to know what my final solution is, I could tell you, but it has nothing to do with December 27th, 1942. It has more to do with May 1st 2002.

[Fires of History]

Right on Drake.

While growing up I too saw a clear distinction between capitali$t rhetoric and the reality I saw everyday. And once I left the shrink-wrapped, comfortable bubble known as the U$, it was all too clear than any and all 'benefit' of capitali$m was solely for fat, rich, comfortable amerikkkans. So that amerikkkans can each own a house, cars, all the latest gizmos, and continue to pursue their obsession with possession and materialism to live the 'amerikkkan dream,' the rest of the world has been made to suffer in poverty and oppression. Capitali$m might 'work,' but only for amerikkka and amerikkka's closest friends; it would be easier to support capitali$m if it could spread its 'fruits' around more of the world population. The concentration of wealth within the U$ is a disgusting insult to humanity.

[BOZG]

Very good Drake. It's not often that someone converts to Communism because of a right-wing website.

I can't actually remember why I became an anarcho-communist. I think it might have been because I hated racists so much and it led on from there.

[Xvall]

You're an Anarcho-Communist too?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Pathetic, you all think that the USA is so oppressive and evil, as you enjoy the fruits of its prosperity, like that computer you are looking at, and the internet you are communicationg through, and the car that was made affordable to you due to the fact that it was built on an assembly line. The fact is, communism does not not encourage 1 iota of innovation or invention. That is why America has contributed more to the advancement of humanity than any other country. Can anyone give me one Russian or Communist China invention that has benefitted everyday people and life? If you can, I'll give you 10 Amercan ideas and inventions for every 1 of yours. Stop the class envy and making excuses for countries that have not been as successful as the US. It is their reponsibility to prosper, not the USA's, America is not bombing and shooting up labs, Universities, or factories of other countries. We didn't become powerful by having things handed to us. We worked for it, we invented it, we innovated it. So, please,don't sit on your ass and hope your centrist government will hand you everything you need, because no one advances that way. It promotes laziness. Thats one reason the soviets failed. Its why the Chinese lag behind in technology and have to steal ours. Lets stop talking hypothetics and look at the facts.

[BOZG]

Actually in Communist societys, advancements in technology is much more rapid than in capitalist societies because the advancements are not being founded to make other people richer but to help the needs of the human race. Just look at the progress Russia made.

[Nateddi]

Chinese?

Tell me, what did Vietnam, Cuba, China or Russia have to start with?

(Edited by Nateddi at 2:38 am on May 5, 2002)

[Xvall]

Russia was one of the world's most backwards nations before Vladimir Lenin started his revolution. Now look, the russian argiculture processing as well as military standing greatly increased after Socialism was established. If china is so 'far behind', why do you get everything from them..

I'm looking at this American flag here..
Do you have any idea what it says?
"Made in China"..

In fact, you'll find that 95% of your 'patriotic' goods are being..

"Made in China"..

Those shoes you are wearing..

"Made in China" no doubt!

How about that shirt? Hong Kong? Indonesia?
Probably not America.. So don't talk about your 'great' country that does jsut 'fine' by itself.

[Xvall]

America is not bombing and shooting up labs, Universities, or factories of other countries.

That's right, The Shima Hospital, and Elementary school that was nuked in Japan was part of an 'evil terrorist' orginization. Like hell...

Tokyo? Half of what you firebombed was industrial warehouses and factories, the other half were civilians.

I hope you're real proud of yourself..
Wise ass...

(P.S. I don't have a car.. Unlike all you RICH folk, I walk!)
[Yes, I'm aware that come leftists here have cars! Don't worry.. I'm not accusing everyone with a care as being a capitalist..]

- Drake Dracoli

[Jurhael]

People who yammer about "you ***** about capitalism and yet benefit from it" spew nothing but reactionary drivel. It's like saying that owning a product made in China means supporting the Totalitarian government there.

Just utter crap that ought to be ignored.

That's not to say to not bother trying to avoid the most guilty businesses...ehehe.

[honest intellectual]

Can anyone give me one Russian or Communist China invention that has benefitted everyday people and life? If you can, I'll give you 10 Amercan ideas and inventions for every 1 of yours. Stop the class envy and making excuses for countries that have not been as successful as the US
Capitalism results in competitive research, where different companies are trying to race each other to create a new product, rather than co-operating. Therefore communism facilitates invention more than captalism

[Ernest Everhard]

and your proof is in...your statement...


(Edited by Ernest Everhard at 4:04 pm on May 5, 2002)

[Hayduke]

Quote: from honest intellectual on 7:22 pm on May 5, 2002

Can anyone give me one Russian or Communist China invention that has benefitted everyday people and life? If you can, I'll give you 10 Amercan ideas and inventions for every 1 of yours. Stop the class envy and making excuses for countries that have not been as successful as the US
Capitalism results in competitive research, where different companies are trying to race each other to create a new product, rather than co-operating. Therefore communism facilitates invention more than captalism


Yep and the race companies make ....cost millions of money.
A bit of competition is good but if companies make each other broke with it its pointless.

Come to think bout it so is capitalism.

Cheers

D-Day

[Xvall]

OH yeah!
We can't forget those HELPFUL American Inventions!
Among such inventions inclue -

The Atomic Bomb
Viagra
And a New Flavor for Spam!

Funny, All the environmentally supportive cars are foreign. France was the first to discover the AIDS virus. Seems that American scientists aren't the greatest 'inventors' of all, are they?

(Except for weapons of mass destruction of course!)

[reagan lives]

"Capitalism results in competitive research, where different companies are trying to race each other to create a new product, rather than co-operating. Therefore communism facilitates invention more than captalism"
"Yep and the race companies make ....cost millions of money."

I feel like the Count from Sesame Street. ONE...TWO! TWO UNSUBSTANTIATED STATEMENTS! AH HA HA!

"We can't forget those HELPFUL American Inventions!
Among such inventions inclue -

The Atomic Bomb"

Which, although having been unfortunately used twice at the end of the Second World War, by all accounts has done a bang up job of preventing a Third so far.

"Viagra"

Any 70 year old man will tell you that this is a wonderful invention.

"And a New Flavor for Spam!"

There's a new flavor for Spam?

[Imperial Power]

Yep they've got chicken byproduct spam now

[Fires of History]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 11:32 pm on May 4, 2002

Stop the class envy...


Yeah, the demand for justice and equality is just jealousy, yeah, that's right.

[BatistaNationalista]

Oh yes, a communist paradise, everyone works together mutually.

You commies never stop, you always push with the same failed utopian idea.

[Capitalist Imperial]

OK, now that you theorhetical drivel is done, what inventions have communist states given the world, since "communist cooperation" works better? C'mon, I'm waiting.I'll give you 10 US inventions for every one commie invention you can provide. No more hypothetical talk, just facts, please

[concerned]

Fires of History:

Equality is not justice.

The two things actually can be quite contradictory. If you have a society where everyone earns the same no matter what they do, is that fair? Is that justice?

Someone working hard each day and someone just lazing around should be equally compensated.... I don't think so.

Justice=yes
Equality=no, although it sounds very nice, in reality it doesn't work, people do need incentives to do things, and do them good. That is the reason communist countries will always lag behind.

[concerned]

another silent board after my posting....

this seems to be happening to me quite often now. A board full of socialists and commies seems unable to find an answer to my postings. Anyone???

Hello?!! Are you people running out of arguments already?, hm..

[CheGuevara]

Even under communism, one must work in order to receive goods.

Capitalism has taught people to want financial incentives. We can unteach them. When they see everything the society provides for all its members when everyone contributes and resources are shared and cooperation rules, that will be their incentive.

[concerned]

You are very idealistic Che, all you people say about "cooperation" and "sharing" sounds really really nice, but it doesn't work in real life. It defies human nature, unfortunately, I might add.

Yes, I would also like to live in a place where we all cooperate, and people don't do things just for personal gain but for the benefit of society as a whole, and where everybody is friends,....

Unfortunately, real life is not like that. People have ambition and they want to differentiate themselves from others. Also they won't work if there is nothing in it for them, nobody likes working and someone else getting the benefits. Communist and socialist societies always have trouble getting people to work. And even if they do go to work, they call in sick quite a lot, and are not very efficient. Companies in the Soviet Union were very inefficient precisely because of this, workers would show up to work drunk or they wouldn't show up at all. They new their lifestyle wouldn't be affected by that, so why care?

socialism looks beautiful on paper. Too bad it doesn't work that way in real life.