rich and poor

[STALINSOLDIERS]

in my point of view i see the rich people as cowards cause when they loose money and have financial problems they end up killing them selves cause they cant stand being poor they know what the rich does them...unlike the rich the poor works hard to gain the money and together with friends and family and they do not kill them selves....
Love and Hate
when a rich person loves another rich person its most likely for the money....they fight all the time the guy gets baled headed and the women do crazy things like drugs and other bad things and when they divorce its to have some more money just to be greedy...and for the poor people they love each other from the heart no matter what.....they work together and there less likely to get divorce......so thats tells that the rich people are pigs and greedy......and the poor they all work together and they share in not matter whats the situation...

[elizquierdista]

You are correct in that generalization, but you have to remember, there are always exceptions.

[guerrillaradio]

Ok first off, sort out your sentences. You really can't expect people to understand what the fuck you're on about if you write like that.

"in my point of view i see the rich people as cowards cause...they end up killing them selves cause they cant stand being poor."

Oh Jesus Christ...man, do you actually think about what you're saying?? I've read your post about four times and it amounts to complete bullshit. How's about you shut up until you have something worth saying eh?? Where is the evidence that there is a higher suicide rate amongst the richer class than the poorer you silly silly person??

"...when a rich person loves another rich person its most likely for the money...."

Er.....WHAT????

"...guy gets baled headed and the women do crazy things like drugs and other bad things and when they divorce its to have some more money just to be greedy..."

Man, are you trying to make me laugh??

"...and for the poor people they love each other from the heart no matter what..."

And to think that I used to count myself as a part of this bullshit charade called communism....fuckin hell. I give up, fuck this world, it's fucked if this guy gets his hands on it...

[STALINSOLDIERS]

no you know what ***** fuck you ........fuck you ***** dont talk to me like that you piece of shit....

[Nateddi]

Easy guys, calm down both of you.

[IzmSchism]

maybe SS is young, I feel you bro, but if things were this simple the rich folk would have killed themselves off by now, and would have woken up, but they have many forms of escape and dissilusion that they have access to, thanks to the one thing they cherish the most, the greenback!

[STALINSOLDIERS]

im 18 its cause of the way i spell things i try to cut time by writing as little as possible.......im not young its just bastards try to piss me off cause of my name but ill fight.

[Shyne]

i agree with guerrillaradio. the post didnt make much sense.

[Dan Majerle]

That post by SS was inane drivel. Complete generalisation. Seriously if you say things like that in public you will absolutely not be taken seriously. Did you sleep through school or something?

[Shyne]

SS are you a follower of ignorantism?? cuz thats what it seems like. (sorry about this but it seemed appropriate)

this topic was so stupid that i had to come back in and laugh.

dont mind me.

*scadaddles on out of thread*

[RedCeltic]

Sorry dude but that Devil/Angel...Rich/Poor theory isn't quite applicable in real life.

guerrillaradio: your post left me in stitches.. :biggrin:

[Valkyrie]

hmmmmmmmm - I have a problem with a socialist-orientated message being posted in the capi v. soc. and then having it repeatedly attacked by our own side. Shows much rancor in the leftists ranks comrades, and I'm sure much to the deviant pleasure of the capis. Get it together Bros. Think rather..... Unity. or atleast try to be cordial when splitting hairs.

[Dan Majerle]

Just because SS is apparently a socialist doesn't make whatever he says relevant and true. You have to think better than that. If somebody says something completely stupid as did SS then he deserves criticism for it. Same way if i say something stupid or anyone else, regardless of political inclinations. I'm sure you don't stick up for Stalin and Pol Pot simply because they were socialists???

[Communist Dominion]

Well yes, we need unity. it would really be good if there was a leftist system that coverd all fascits.

[Sasafrás]

Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 5:44 pm on April 27, 2002
in my point of view i see the rich people as cowards cause when they loose money and have financial problems they end up killing them selves cause they cant stand being poor they know what the rich does them...unlike the rich the poor works hard to gain the money and together with friends and family and they do not kill them selves....
Love and Hate
when a rich person loves another rich person its most likely for the money....they fight all the time the guy gets baled headed and the women do crazy things like drugs and other bad things and when they divorce its to have some more money just to be greedy...and for the poor people they love each other from the heart no matter what.....they work together and there less likely to get divorce......so thats tells that the rich people are pigs and greedy......and the poor they all work together and they share in not matter whats the situation...
Um, I'm QUADLINGUAL: I speak English, Spanish, Pig Latin, and Jibberish, so, luckily, I can translate for you all. I think that what STALINSOLDIERS is attempting to say is that the rich are weak people and though they have lots of money, they really have no happiness. A rich man does not know how it feels to be less fortunate, so if he were to ever lose his fortune(s), he'd be clueless as to how he could live his new life as a poor (or even lower middle class to middle class) individual and he's be likely to just become demented and end his life. The poor, on the other hand, are a people who [typically] suffer and are ridiculed; therefore, they, in their lifetimes, have learned a great deal about survival and have developed a thick skin. They are able to comprehend the importance of work [in any society] and they work so that they can become wealthy or at least financially stable in order to be independent.
In many cases, because of things like class, a rich man is forced to marry a rich woman, simply because it is most socially acceptable. It's about greed. The rich want to get richer by marrying into more money. The poor, however, must marry for sincere love because [almost] no rich person would dare even touch one of the untouchables (the poor) much less marry one. The poor realize that a couple must work together and live with love in their hearts while the rich feel that they must marry someone who is much richer than they while neither of them actually work at all. The relationships of the rich, because of their basis on money, simply fail while the relationships of the poor, which are based on love and effort, work.

Basically, the rich suck ass and the poor rock!

I agree, but there certainly are some exceptions, like elizquierdista stated. Remember that.

[Valkyrie]

Yeah, that's the way I translated it. And I believe he was speaking from the heart and I don't see any references to Pol Pot or anyone else.

[James]

I agree La Rainbeaux/paris. Why did SS get slagged off so much? It seemed that no one who slagged him off really listened to what he was trying to say.

[vox]

I remember a quote I heard on "60 Minutes," but I can't remember quite who said it. I believe that it was a member of the Gucci family, but I can't be sure. This was many, many years ago, but the quote stuck with me because of its absurdity. If anyone can recall more specifics, I'd appreciate it.

Anyway, the quote was, "I'd rather be crying in a limousine than laughing on a bicycle." Maybe ol' Scott Fitagerald was right, the rich really are different.

vox

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Paris on 4:59 am on April 28, 2002
hmmmmmmmm - I have a problem with a socialist-orientated message being posted in the capi v. soc. and then having it repeatedly attacked by our own side. Shows much rancor in the leftists ranks comrades, and I'm sure much to the deviant pleasure of the capis. Get it together Bros. Think rather..... Unity. or atleast try to be cordial when splitting hairs.


I am hardly a communist or socialist, in fact, I'm just somewhere within leftist thinking. I have always made a point of stating my opinion, regardless of where it puts me in terms of pigeonhole. Why should I have to agree with a bonehead like him?? Don't you realise that he's letting YOUR (I'm no part of this) side down?? And I refuse to unify or show solidarity with someone of this guy's calibre. I mean, does he actually have a fucking clue what's he talking about?? This was his reply:


Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 12:51 am on April 28, 2002
no you know what ***** fuck you ........fuck you ***** dont talk to me like that you piece of shit

How intelligent. If he's gonna start threads he's gonna have to expect some flak for it, deal with it you silly person...

[Hayduke]

Man just leave SS alone, his messages might be hard to follow and anti stalinist wont like his name.....but let the guy be.......He doesnt do anything wrong in my eyes.
Take it easy guys.....

[oconner]

yeah, does it matter how people spell things? just listen to what SS is saying, you might agree, you might not.

[RedCeltic]

It's stupid to agree or back up something simply because it suposedly comes from the left. Sure we need unity, however if it comes with the price of comprimising free thinking than it isn't a good thing. If StalinSoldgers truly belived in his Rich/Poor theory he would be willing to defend it and back it up rather than just name calling.

[guerrillaradio]

Thank you RC. I don't ever remember criticising SS' spelling, more the general nonsense that was his original post and subsequent insults. If this is what the left is really like, then in reality, it's little better than the right...

[Valkyrie]

I am not saying you should agree with what is said. I am saying that to use a little bit more tact rather than ridicule him. anway, we don't even know if english is his first language, but it doesn;t matter, those who we are suppose to be fighting for may not speak perfect or write perfect language either. and yeah, show a little bit more unity. Because when push comes to shove, you two are going to fall on the same side; if that is, you believe in true social justice. Because the lines are being drawn.

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 6:44 pm on April 27, 2002
in my point of view i see the rich people as cowards cause when they loose money and have financial problems they end up killing them selves cause they cant stand being poor they know what the rich does them
Many people who kill themselves do so because they are depressed. Depression is a disease that is often genetic, and hardly ever has to do with money. A person who kills himself or herself for a reason other than depression is, generally, pretty messed up anyway. Did it ever occur to you that our time could be put to better use analyzing the habits of people who seem to have their heads together, and represent the rule rather than the exception?


Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 6:44 pm on April 27, 2002
unlike the rich the poor works hard to gain the money and together with friends and family and they do not kill them selves
Once again, whether a person kills him/herself is not the best way to judge their morals. In India, many poor families used to marry their young daughters off to rich old men because they need the money. And it was a ritual that when an old man died, his wife would jump into flames and kill herself. Poor people commit suicide, too. By the way, what does work ethic have to do with mental stability/health and strength of character?


Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 6:44 pm on April 27, 2002
when a rich person loves another rich person its most likely for the money
Simply because rich horndogs can afford to buy themselves wives, while poor horndogs have to pay for sex one hour at a time. It's not as if there's no ass available for purchase in less affluent areas.


Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 6:44 pm on April 27, 2002
they fight all the time
Many couples who have serious disagreements are fighting over money. Haven't you ever seen two poor people fighting? Spousal abuse is also much more common in third world countries than in the developed world.


Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 6:44 pm on April 27, 2002
the guy gets baled headed
But poor men keep all of their hair until death! Grow up.


Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 6:44 pm on April 27, 2002
the women do crazy things like drugs and other bad things
I don't know who it was that told you poor women never do drugs, but they lied. Drug abuse is more common in the ghetto than in the gated community.


Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 6:44 pm on April 27, 2002
when they divorce its to have some more money just to be greedy
Couples break up for all sorts of reasons. I'm not denying that money is often an issue, but people are more likely to worry about money when they're poor anyway.


Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 6:44 pm on April 27, 2002
and for the poor people they love each other from the heart no matter what
Ah, yes. Poor people don't have the capacity to stay together because of nothing more than physical/sexual attraction. Do you even realize how broad and baseless these generalizations are?


Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 6:44 pm on April 27, 2002
they work together and there less likely to get divorce
I would appreciate a quote from the study that proved poor people are less likely to break up. Did it ever occur to you that people change over time, and some couples break up simply because they turn into different people than they were when they got married? People split up for all sorts of reasons, and you're doing an injustice both to the rich and to the poor by saying such crazy things. (Sidenote: Where did you hear that poor people are most likely to hold the same jobs? And did no one ever tell you that it's actually unhealthy for two people to work in the same place when they're dating?)


Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 6:44 pm on April 27, 2002
so thats tells that the rich people are pigs and greedy......and the poor they all work together and they share in not matter whats the situation...
Poor people are capable of being just as greedy as rich people. The only distinction between a poor person who's greedy and a rich person who's greedy is that the latter is better at it. Poor people can be assholes, too.


Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 7:51 pm on April 27, 2002
no you know what ***** fuck you ........fuck you ***** dont talk to me like that you piece of shit....
How kind of you to take time off from your busy schedule of wondering why people don't like you to respond. Next time, however, it would be nice if you could give us a few more of your precious seconds and construct a coherent response. Don't start a thread if you're unprepared to have people disagree with you. And a person is neither a "*****" nor "piece of shit" simply because they don't share your opinion. Your word is not the be-all and end-all. Where do you get off thinking that it is?


Quote: from Paris on 11:59 pm on April 27, 2002
hmmmmmmmm - I have a problem with a socialist-orientated message being posted in the capi v. soc. and then having it repeatedly attacked by our own side. Shows much rancor in the leftists ranks comrades, and I'm sure much to the deviant pleasure of the capis. Get it together Bros. Think rather..... Unity. or atleast try to be cordial when splitting hairs.
I, for one, would be willing to have less in the ranks if it meant that all of us either knew what we were talking about, or were trying to learn. Perhaps it's just a matter of prioritizing, but if having less members/leftists means a higher percentage of people who know what they're talking about and are worth talking to, it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

(Edited by I Will Deny You at 1:08 pm on April 28, 2002)

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Paris on 5:35 pm on April 28, 2002
I am not saying you should agree with what is said. I am saying that to use a little bit more tact rather than ridicule him.

Yeah, cos he's really expert at using tact. To be honest, I was in a silly mood, and I felt that a post of that quality really deserved a stupid answer. Go on then, string me up...


Because when push comes to shove, you two are going to fall on the same side.


To be honest, I'd rather not be on the same side as someone that moronic. I mean, it's not even about his language, he just said "fuck you *****" in his first reply when I asked him to justify himself. Anyways, must be off...

[STALINSOLDIERS]

ahh shit here goes my thought most of you are nothing and going to be nothing cause you dont do shit......most of you aint communist and aint shit.....im part of a revolutionary army and well die for communism and what do most of you do ah peaceful protest and with that your not going no where so that shows me all of you are scared and arent that communistic.......so fuck you im going to my old site where the revolution begins...

[Guest]

point proven...

[Hayduke]

Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 6:11 pm on April 29, 2002
ahh shit here goes my thought most of you are nothing and going to be nothing cause you dont do shit......most of you aint communist and aint shit.....im part of a revolutionary army and well die for communism and what do most of you do ah peaceful protest and with that your not going no where so that shows me all of you are scared and arent that communistic.......so fuck you im going to my old site where the revolution begins...


Well mans o fuck you anway you aint no communist either ....fucking asshole....you calling me scared lets talk bout scared facking idiot.....you are running off not me buddy so lets talk shit bout you for change......I hope you die on your way to your new site...so take that motherfacka.
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the language spoken by SS is easy to learn and easy to typ.
I think we should all switch to it.

Cheers

D-Day

[RedCeltic]

God Damn it! StalinSoldgers: I realise it may hurt your feelings when people disagree with you, but sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "FUCK YOU" at the top of your lungs doesn't accomplish anything comrade.

Do you have a superiority complex? Think your "More" communist..."More" revolutionary than anyone else?

If you think your opinions are the only ones that matter, and the only ones that are right, than why don't you back them up rather than just pissing on everyones legs?

[Hayduke]

Quote: from RedCeltic on 11:04 pm on April 29, 2002
God Damn it! StalinSoldgers: I realise it may hurt your feelings when people disagree with you, but sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "FUCK YOU" at the top of your lungs doesn't accomplish anything comrade.

Do you have a superiority complex? Think your "More" communist..."More" revolutionary than anyone else?

If you think your opinions are the only ones that matter, and the only ones that are right, than why don't you back them up rather than just pissing on everyones legs?

Yeh you aint gonna accomplish a thing when you just go pissing people off instead of backing up your arguments..........

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 8:11 am on April 29, 2002
ahh shit here goes my thought most of you are nothing and going to be nothing cause you dont do shit.
You "dont do shit" either, pal. All you do is write about doing "shit". On several occasions I've met Ralph Nader, who, among other things, got the auto industry to reform itself in ways that have saved thousands of lives since they've been implemented. I've met veterans of the violent and non-violent wings of the civil rights movement. Are you going to tell me that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. didn't "do shit" because he never bombed anyone? I've been a part of many non-violent local movements that have made important changes. I guess that nothing I've ever done was important, though, because I didn't go onto a website and write two sentences about how much I want to shoot such-and-such a capitalist.


Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 8:11 am on April 29, 2002
most of you aint communist and aint shit.
Che, who I admire, wasn't a communist. Stalin, who you may or may not admire depending on what day of the week it is, was also not a communist. Abbie Hoffman was a communist, but he never bombed anything so you wouldn't like him anyway.

And I may not be shit, but I'm 80% water. Perhaps I'm piss.


Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 8:11 am on April 29, 2002
im part of a revolutionary army
If that's so true, why hasn't a single person on this board heard of your revolutionary army? What, exactly, has this army done?


Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 8:11 am on April 29, 2002
well die for communism
Paging The Darwin Awards.


Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 8:11 am on April 29, 2002
what do most of you do ah peaceful protest and with that your not going no where
I have addressed this numerous times. Instead of rewriting my standard response, I'll just copy and paste what I wrote in this thread (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=11&topic=796&start=30):
Do you read The Nation? There's an article in there about welfare reform. With the revolution so far away, I say why not try to help the poor people until we can overthrow the people who are oppressing them? If a revolution did come, I would participate. But I'm being realistic. I won't see a revolution, perhaps my grandchildren will. My peaceful efforts are basically "in the meantime" stuff. People are starving and will be starving in the 100+ years until the revolution comes. I want to help them! I want them to have equal rights. My ancestors got equal rights through peaceful protest. If you go back more than 150 years in my family tree, a "revolution" that overthrew the Confederate States of America was fought by powerful men because they were influenced by abolitionist writers, etc. Most of these writers, by the way, were women. I'm sorry, but I just can't look at all of the movements that get credit for giving me the rights that I have, see that all of them were peaceful, and then advocate a violent revolution that would never work while I'm alive.

Am I trying to push down your rifles? Violence in America by leftists has never worked under the conditions that we're in today. On the contrary, it gives all leftists a bad name and really does set us back. So if pushing down your rifles means aid to the peaceful progressives because your rifles will discredit them, then I'll push down your rifles. The Weather Underground was an embarrassment, the Mobe is an example of peaceful means to end unjust wars. The Black Panthers made all civil rights workers and black people look bad, the SCLC is the reason I'm allowed to attend school with my white friends. You may blame me for trying to push down your rifles, but I blame you for using tactics that slowed down the movements that freed my ancestors.[/b]


Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 8:11 am on April 29, 2002
so that shows me all of you are scared
I've been arrested numerous times for protesting peacefully. I know people who have gotten into scuffles with the police and I know damn well that it could happen to me. But that hasn't stopped me from protesting peacefully. How can you say that I'm the one who's scared when I've got an arrest record and some potential bruises and scars, and all you've got is a keyboard and a few friends who keep bullshitting with you about starting a revolution but never actually will?


Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 8:11 am on April 29, 2002
and arent that communistic
Communism is an economic system, not some social code of acceptable protest. Was Rosa Luxemburg un-"communistic" because she never shot anyone? What about Trotsky, a man who you once claimed was your hero? How many armies and militias did he start?


Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 8:11 am on April 29, 2002
so fuck you im going to my old site where the revolution begins...
Toodles.