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floRN513
13th March 2008, 18:25
It's disgusting. It's immoral. It's unbelievable. But it's true. After 10 years of work RNs at Catholic Health Partners in Ohio finally got a chance to form their unions and the CNA showed up and ruined the whole thing.

They didn't try to get on the ballot. They told the nurses to vote no. They ran a straight up anti-union campaign. They told them the election was the sham and that SEIU was a "company union".

I'm a left wing commie RN and I have fought, struck and organized with SEIU RNs for years. Say what you want about SEIU, but we are NOT management puppets. Feel free not to believe me. Here's the letter CHP nurses wrote. Believe them.

....hard working nurses work for years to get a chance to form their union only to have the entire effort tanked by another organization that claims to represent nurses.
This is a letter that has been going around about the horrible situation the California Nurses Association has created in Ohio.
March 12, 2008

Dear Rose Ann DeMoro,
It’s hard for us to imagine how someone who calls herself a labor leader could purposely do what you have done to us and our families. You don’t know any of us. You have never been to our homes or met our children. You have never visited us on our shifts, or walked in our shoes. You don’t know a thing a bout the struggle that brought us to the verge of our dream to have a union. And yet without talking to a single one of us you send your bullying staff to come in and spread terrible lies for no other reason than to destroy what we worked so hard to build.
For three years we have worked with SEIU members, leaders and staff to form our union. We sent letters to hospital officials and mobilized community support for fair organizing rules. SEIU has supported and encouraged us through some very hard times, and helped us stand up for ourselves. We are caregivers—registered nurses and respiratory therapists, dietary and housekeeping staff, lab techs and other employees. SEIU helped us understand how we could do more by speaking with one voice and standing together for our families and our patients. SEIU respected our intelligence and our ability to make our own decisions.
You say you stand for democracy. But then you come in with a goal of destroying our campaign without ever asking us what we think about SEIU and our agreement for fair election ground rules—ground rules we now understand you have made use of many times in California.
You say you stand for justice. But then you deny us our opportunity for a fair vote free of misleading propaganda and scare tactics.
Our efforts to unite for better jobs and health care were not a secret. At any time during those three years you could have come and presented your union, compared yourself to SEIU, and asked us to make a choice. But you didn’t. So it is obvious to us that your sole intention was to destroy what we have built. What kind of organization sets out to destroy the efforts of the very people you claim to stand for, and then tries to pretend it’s a moral cause?
Here in Ohio, union organizers and representatives don’t behave the way yours do. They show respect for hard-working people. We have read all the words about how you try to justify this, but when compared to the needs of our families and the needs of our patients, they show a complete disregard for basic fairness and decency. You have brought harm to thousands of workers and families in Ohio, and you should be ashamed of what you have done.
Signed,
Linda Kirby, RN
Mercy Anderson
Anderson Township, OH
Sue Koch
ER Tech
Mercy Western Hills
Cincinnati, OH
Barbara Matlie, RN
Mercy Western Hills
Cincinnati, OH
Michaela Silver, RCP
Springfield Regional Medical Center
Springfield, OH
Diana Stamler, RN
Mercy Fairfield
Fairfield, OH
Sally Baker, RN
Springfield Regional Medical Center
Springfield, OH
Mary Ann Wolf,
Lead Cook
Mercy Anderson
Anderson Township, OH
Peggy Vaughn, RN
Mercy Western Hills
Cincinnati, OH
Sue Allen, RN
Springfield Regional Medical Center
Springfield, OH
Lorie Compton, RCP
Mercy Memorial Hospital
Urbana, OH
Colleen Gresham, RN
Mercy Mt. Airy
Cincinnati, OH
Betty White, MLT
Mercy Fairfield
Fairfield, OH
Susan Home, RN
Mercy Mt. Airy
Cincinnati, OH
Alecia Davis, RN
Springfield Regional Medical Center
Springfield, OH
Marianne Heider, RN
Mercy Western Hills
Cincinnati, OH

RedDawn
13th March 2008, 19:23
Excuse me? Its hard to trust a first poster when they are calling out one of our most left-wing unions!

chimx
13th March 2008, 19:23
That is the nature of unionization right now. Companies have countless options for blocking union movements. They can stall the process by forcing an election, and then work hard and intimidate the employees to vote against unionizing. This is exactly what the employee free choice act is trying to stop.

RedDawn
3rd April 2008, 01:45
Admins please ban this user, this is blatant lying by a total hack.

We all know to trust the CNA over SEIU any day of the week.

redwinged blackbird
9th April 2008, 16:17
Craft unions are anti-working-class no matter how "left wing" their rhetoric is.

Dean
15th April 2008, 01:30
Admins please ban this user, this is blatant lying by a total hack.

We all know to trust the CNA over SEIU any day of the week.

BULLSHIT. I am somewhat surprised that people don't know whats going on here. Here is a little hint:
http://www.changetowin.org/about-us.html
http://www.aflcio.org/aboutus/unions/

This is an attack by the AFLCIO, the "one big union strong," on Change to Win. The latter is a coalition of unions who were fed up with the AFL-CIO's misappropriation of union funds, including but not limited to
-funding for the so-called National Endowment for Democracy
-heavily reduced funding for unionization campaigns
-pay for an inflated bureaucracy.

chegitz guevara
15th April 2008, 15:45
Fuck the Stern Gang!

chimx
15th April 2008, 16:19
This is an attack by the AFLCIO, the "one big union strong," on Change to Win.

Not really. It is more an attack on the SEIU's shaddy practices that the CNA thinks is completely anti-worker.

sovmattis
21st April 2008, 01:30
Please, can you give me some background on the two unions, and whos the more "correct choice"? I´m a RN from sweden and member in the SAC (really minority union). We have the policy of organising all healtcareemployees in our organisation, and the major reformistorganisation whos on strike now for quite a shitty general contract (I hope its the right term), have the policy of just organizing healthworkers with university education: nurses, midwifes and labworkers. And they should be like the "sister"organisation to CNA. Whos the more radical, the union who organizes all, or the one just organizing the nurses? Im really interrsted of this.

Sorry for my crappy language, havent studied english for about a decade...:star:

chimx
21st April 2008, 02:00
That's a hard question to answer.

From what I understand the CNA has a much more militant history with dealing with hospital management, and because of this has won some really great things for nurses, especially in California. They have won state-mandated nurse-to-patient ratios as well as a lot of wage increases. However, as has been mentioned, they are a craft union and it seems that they'll even work for nurses at the expense of other health care employees, such as what happened in Ohio.

On the other side is the SEIU, which has worked hard to increase union membership these past few years. It is one of the few unions in the United States that is seeing significant union growth. It also organizes all healthcare employees. However, the SEIU has a history of being extremely anti-democratic and working with management against employees. It is commonly criticized as being a corporate union.

Both have upsides, but both have very negative aspects as well.

MarxSchmarx
21st April 2008, 08:05
The emotionalism surrounding this thing is incredible. Does anyone know what really happened here, minus the propaganda of both sides? I have a mate in the SEIU hierarchy and have been trying to reach him. He's got his qualms about SEIU and is not shy from airing his misgivings. I'll let you know when I hear from him, but in the interim some 3rd party perspectives would be nice.

By the way, what is the CALIFORNIA Nurse's Association doing in OHIO:confused:

chimx
21st April 2008, 15:04
They're a national union that just got started in California. Don't let the name fool you.

sovmattis
21st April 2008, 22:16
I just wonder how the CNA can motivate screwing up a union election for a another organization and call it a victory ( It´s the picture I´ve got from the comments from CNA´s website).We have some problems with the big majority organisations here in sweden ( they have hunted down syndicalists in some parts of the country), but they never would dare doing so on a national level and be proud over it. It´s very confusing.

hekmatista
22nd April 2008, 03:43
When unions raid each other, the boss does, of course! Here in Reno, SEIU played the spoiler role during an organizing drive by CNA; luckily the nurses still won representation, in spite of it. If this post is accurate (I have no way of knowing how representative the signatures on the letter are), CNA returned the favor in Ohio. Keep in mind that from the bureaucracy's point of view, it's about members, it's about dues, it's about power. The differences between CNA and SEIU are of degree, not of kind. When they fight each other, the workers lose.

YSR
23rd April 2008, 10:06
This whole thing is just so idiotic I don't even know what to say. Whatever happened to Solidarity Forever?

SEIU, whose hierarchy I really loath, did that bullshit at Labor Notes. Not to say CNA aren't assholes for raiding the campaign in Ohio. FloRN, if you really are a nurse there, I'm really sorry for how this shit has gotten fucked up.

I'm sorry, but I'm also not surprised. Despite SEIU being organized industrially (which is most of the reason I think CNA is crap, 'cause of their craft union mentality) they remain a business union, committed to capitalism. The hierarchy is totally supportive of the Democratic Party and that mentality pervades their work. Until workers organize along class lines, and really develop our own consciousness, this kind of infighting will continue to occur. This is basically a tiny squabble in the larger CtW vs AFL-CIO war. A war which benefits the bosses in the short run and the union bureaucrats who win in the long run. But never the workers.

classwarveteran
27th April 2008, 18:54
I just wonder how the CNA can motivate screwing up a union election for a another organization and call it a victory ( It´s the picture I´ve got from the comments from CNA´s website).We have some problems with the big majority organisations here in sweden ( they have hunted down syndicalists in some parts of the country), but they never would dare doing so on a national level and be proud over it. It´s very confusing.

Neither the CNA or SEIU are like the SAC or IWW. The facts as I see them are that the SEIU cut a back-room deal of management neutrality in agreement for certain limitations in negotiations. Even though I understand the need for union density in industry, I don't think there is any excuse for the kind of agreements reached. While the SEIU had attempted to organize at the Ohio hospitals before, my take is that they did not have a very active campaign this time around, but rather had the boss agree to file for an election when they didn't even have the required showing of interest to normally obtain an election or voluntary recognition. Normally, it is the union that files for an election, not the boss.

CNA is a craft union, and apparently a proud one at that. They seek to represent nurses, but not other health care workers. This hurts everyone involved. That said, I do believe they are a more democratic organization. The question is, how much weight do you put on that.

It's like choosing between purple kool-aid and the wrong antibiotic treatment.

As for CNA "raiding" in Ohio, it is hard to see how you can raid a campaign that only fictionally exists in terms of workers' wanting and organizing for a union. I would also like some clarity on whether CNA tried to get on the ballot or were allowed to do so.

chimx
27th April 2008, 20:12
I would also like some clarity on whether CNA tried to get on the ballot or were allowed to do so.

The CNA has said it is not trying to unionize the nurses in Ohio themselves.