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spartan
13th March 2008, 17:15
I want people to seriously discuss what the possible alternative outcomes, and the effect that it could have had on the overall world situation then and in our modern times, would have been if things went differently in these make or break cold war situations (I may add more questions later).

Right here we go:

What if the Berlin blockade had succeeded and the western powers were forced to give up West Berlin to the newly formed East Germany? (One obvious outcome would be that there would be no need for the Berlin wall).

What if the Communists won in the civil war in Greece in 1944-1949?

What if there was never any Tito-Stalin split and Yugoslavia was never expelled from the Cominform?

What if there was never any Sino-Soviet split?

What if the DPRK won in the Korean war and unified with the south under a Socialist system?

What if the Communists in both France and Italy came to power (Either by elections or by the fact that the biggest resistance groups were all Communists) in 1945?

What if the Communists won in the Malayan emergency in 1948 to 1960?

What if the USSR never agreed to get rid of its nuclear missiles from Cuba in the Cuban missle crises of 1962?

What if Che had never been killed in Bolivia and led a successful guerrilla campaign that took control of Bolivia in 1967?

Panda Tse Tung
13th March 2008, 17:24
What if the Berlin blockade had succeeded and the western powers were forced to give up West Berlin to the newly formed East Germany? (One obvious outcome would be that there would be no need for the Berlin wall).

WTF, what a lame conclusion. The Berlin wall wasn't 'just build' cause it looked cool in between West and Eastern Berlin. The Berlin wall was build as a response to western provocations, the dragging of intellectuals out of Eastern Germany, buying cheap products in Eastern Germany whilst working in the West, etc... etc...

What if the Communists won in the civil war in Greece in 1944-1949?

Then Greece would have been Socialist.

What if there was never any Tito-Stalin split and Yugoslavia was never expelled from the Cominform?

Then revisionist degeneration would have started well before 1956.

What if there was never any Sino-Soviet split?

Now thats an interesting question.
I think the Communist movement would have been far more powerful at the time. It would have led to a solid Communist movement almost certainly bound for victory, but then again this would completely ignore the reasons for the Sino-Soviet split.

What if the DPRK won in the Korean war and unified with the south under a Socialist system?

Then all of Korea would have been Socialist.

What if the Communists in both France and Italy came to power (Either by elections or by the fact that the biggest resistance groups were all Communists) in 1945?

That would be what we call utter chaos.

These really aren't very interesting 'what ifs' to be quite honest. And it's difficult to determine what would happen since there are so many factors which come to play. Fact is, these things never happened. The point of studying history is learning from it, but you cant learn from what has never happened. Thus this is more chit-chat worthy then anything else.

spartan
13th March 2008, 19:28
WTF, what a lame conclusion. The Berlin wall wasn't 'just build' cause it looked cool in between West and Eastern Berlin. The Berlin wall was build as a response to western provocations, the dragging of intellectuals out of Eastern Germany, buying cheap products in Eastern Germany whilst working in the West, etc... etc...

The whole point was that with the west (In a hypothetical what if situation) giving up west Berlin to East Germany after the USSR refused to lift the blockade, there would be no need for the wall because Berlin would be united and under East German administration.

Thus there would be no more US officials or military personal to fuck things up in Berlin anymore which would require the building of a wall to seperate the two sides.

Panda Tse Tung
14th March 2008, 18:48
There would still be an eastern and western Germany. Though you are correct that there would not have been a 'Berlin wall'. But there would've still been a 'wall'. Just a whateverish wall :P.