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I Will Deny You
27th April 2002, 14:57
One of our capitalist pals (I forget which one, but probably all of them at one point or another) once said something along the lines of "People should not be labeled 'greedy' for wanting to provide for their families." Which is why I invite that capitalist, and all of his pals (as well as all of the left-wingers here) to read this article (http://www.salon.com/people/feature/2002/04/27/race/index.html) from the award-winning Salon.com:


By Cintra Wilson

April 27, 2002 | "Between Thurday April 25 - Tuesday April 30th 2002 the Gumball 3000 Rally will take part [sic] across the USA. ... From supermodel to rock star, racing driver to simple car enthusiast, the rally is a test of 3000 miles across the world's greatest Continent, [sic] punctuated by the wildest parties each evening!" -- From the Gumball3000.com Web site

I always enjoy hearing tales of the Middle Ages, those glorious centuries when the upper classes had so little regard for the humanity of the peasants and townspeople that groups of elegant, spirited aristocrats would don dark clothing and masks, saddle up their prized Arabian stallions in the middle of the night and ride through town with polo-type mallets, merrily clubbing the brains out of any poor, luckless buggers who happened to be in their way. "Har har har!" they must have cried, swilling aged brandy from jeweled casks as they toweled the blood from their gloves with the flaxen hair of petrified local virgins.

Ah, to be a powerful aristocrat, suffering no consequences for any actions, no matter how vile! Feeling no remorse or pangs of conscience whatsoever! Exercising the full extent of one's birthright to be an untouchable menace! What is money, after all, if one can't heartily enjoy buggering and impinging upon the rights of one's inferiors?

Such brazen flexings of financial muscle are rare nowadays, but there still remains one glorious event in which the very rich get to treat the rest of mankind like cabbages or skeet. This year, America is the lucky host of the 4th annual cash-ejaculating orgy known as the Gumball 3000 Rally. Since 1999, zillionaire scofflaws have been terrorizing cities across Europe and Russia in a weeklong burn down the roadways in the finest and fastest cars money can buy, speeding outrageously, fucking everything, spinning donuts, laying patches, binge-drinking top-shelf liqueurs, soiling the sheets of venerable Chateaux, crashing frequently and buying their way out of trouble every mile along the way with the haughty devil-may-care insouciance that can only be assumed by gilded dirtbags who regard a flaming Ferrari in a ditch as an amusing tax write-off.

"Har har har! Brigitta? Get my mechanic on the phone and tell him to have the Lamborghini ready for me in Munich. Here's another emerald thong-brooch for your trouble. Do pour us another round of gimlets from the titanium emergency bar. I say, what a hoot!"

The Gumball 3000 began in 1999 when young British entrepreneur Maximillian Cooper, inspired by the Burt Reynolds vehicle "Cannonball Run," conceived of an elite six-day car race across Europe as a "private party for 50 of his closest friends." According to the Gumball3000.com Web site, his "private party" just happened to achieve "immediate notoriety and a somewhat 'cool' status," presumably because Cooper leaked to the press that Naomi Campbell would be among the original participants. She wasn't, but it didn't matter -- the belligerent rich and their supercars were enough to attract a gaggle of other demi-celebrities, and a whole host of ultrarich bankers, nightclub owners, entrepreneurs, music moguls, minor sports stars and other car enthusiasts willing to cough up the 6,000-pound ($8,700) entry fee, drive 600 miles each day, then stay up all night drinking and do it again every day for six days.

Cooper, who appears on the Web site wearing tinted sunglasses and a red racing jacket, posing self-consciously Steve McQueen-esquely in front of a pair of Ferraris, told the London Times in 2000: "Gumball is about the mix of people we get -- you know, rock stars, racing drivers, models -- it's about the rock 'n' roll attitude."

Gumball's already obnoxious social cachet is only swelling now that it has been adopted by ultracool Johnny "Jackass" Knoxville, who devoted a whole MTV special to last year's race from London to Russia and back again, documenting horrible hangovers, contiguous pan-European vomiting and high-speed wrecks expensive enough to finance years of food for entire starving villages of large-eyed children surrounded by flies.

Other glitterati rumored to be participating this year are four former Playboy Playmates of the Year, wilting Hollywood machismo embodiments Nick Cage and Matt Dillon, tarnished waif Kate Moss, Caucasian soul-manufacturers Jamiroquoi and Fatboy Slim, and trend-spigot Spike Jonze, who is filming the whole thing for a feature film to be released next year, that more of the Great Unwashed might view the rarefied majesty of a bunch of superrich speed-worshipping douche bags gluttonously overgratifying their selfish and citizen-endangering urges, for no charitable cause or altruistic aim whatsoever.

This year's Gumball began Thursday, April 25, at 7 p.m. Eastern time, as gazillions of dollars' worth of priapic speed machinery roared out of the garage of the posh Plaza Hotel in Manhattan. The grotesquely indulge-o-tronic caravan will avoid as many speeding tickets as possible (and painlessly throw sweaty bricks of cash at the unavoidable ones) while openly flouting traffic laws and cruising their über-priced land jets at speeds exceeding 200 mph on its way to tomorrow's checkpoint in Washington, D.C. (The Web site piously says, "The 'Gumball 3000' rally is not a race, and if you break the speed limits you are likely to end up in jail!!!" "Har har har! Worry not your tiny blond head, Brigitta, everyone knows that only Negroes go to jail. Now part your thighs so I can see the windshield.")

They will then careen toward Graceland, threaten roads from there to the Grand Ol' Opry, then press hazardously on to the Santa Fe Desert Hotel, partying heedlessly all the while. From there, they hurtle en masse to a party with the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders, then squeal off to a subsequent party in Las Vegas at one of Billy Richardson's hotels, before hopping back in their potentially child-killing machines to burn rubber, now half-blind with alcohol poisoning and sexual exhaustion, to the finish line at the corner of Hollywood and Highland, where they will collapse into a collective pile of cold sores, gout and other afflictions caused by ceaseless excess at the Hollywood Renaissance hotel. The after-party celebration is reportedly being held at the Playboy mansion.

We can only guess how many will die en route; how many daughters will be impregnated and hurled out of Bentley windows; how many empty Dom Perignon bottles will be flung with tittering derision at the jaws of befuddled state troopers, and how many Guns N' Roses-style hotel-room befoulings these millionaires will wreak on frightened and exhausted service personnel nationwide, who must clean up their dreadful and unsanitary messes for $6.50 an hour to provide milk and used blankets for their children.

I spoke to one of the participants at their launch party last night at the club "Lotus" in Manhattan's hip meat-packing district, while leaning against a Ferrari formula something-or-other that looked very important, with a lot of racing-type stickers on it. Doug Bauer, who holds some unspecified position of importance in the Legg Mason investment firm, is the driver of "the only Ruf R-Turbo One in the nation, probably." Bauer, who at 32 has the kind of glowing, innocent and walleyed child's face-on-a-man's-body that only the vampirically rich seem to have, says his car (which at $160,000 is the equivalent price of 8,000 child slaves on the black market) goes from zero to 60 in three seconds, and can get up to 225 mph. He believes he may be a contender for the "All Out Speed" competition to be held in the desert later in the race.

"Got a girl in the car with you?" I asked.

"One in every city," he remarked slyly, before excusing himself graciously to slide into a long black stretch limousine.

We can only hope that bright, rich young men like Doug and his ilk will have a compassionate awakening toward those less privileged than themselves, and eventually be driven to dedicate the Gumball to fund-raising for the diseased and palsied orphan infants of the world. Until then, I suppose we will have to content ourselves with the knowledge that these intrepid racers will extend every effort to provide temporary transportation for the topless hitchhiking schoolgirls of America.

deimos
27th April 2002, 15:21
another money-annihilating event.........

queen of diamonds
27th April 2002, 15:36
i think this is a great example of the quote "nothing exposes weakness so well as power"

IzmSchism
27th April 2002, 15:36
yes people are insane, after they take all their riches from exploiting they go ahead and waste it on their pleasure....

Ernest Everhard
27th April 2002, 18:55
So the remedy for this is the overthrow of capitalism, not the enforcement of existing laws, I get it.

I Will Deny You
27th April 2002, 20:36
Quote: from Ernest Everhard on 1:55 pm on April 27, 2002
So the remedy for this is the overthrow of capitalism, not the enforcement of existing laws, I get it. Yeah. I'm going to go buy The Anarchist Cookbook and throw a pipe bomb at the White House so rich people will stop pissing their money away on cars. And the whole time I do it, I will be pissing in my pants because your sarcastic tone scares me so much.

How would the enforcement of existing laws stop these idiots from spending their money on expensive cars instead of health care for starving children who work in sweatshops in the third world? The whole point of this is that what's going on is nearly perfectly legal, according to existing laws. But when did I ever say that the enforcement of the traffic laws that these people break will not help the situation?

The point was, there have been plenty of debates on whether capitalism or communism is the more ethical system. I'm showing that while there are people who are greedy because they want to help their families (who would be taken care of by a socialist system) there are also the kind of greedy people who are mentioned much less by the capitalists: the kind of people who are greedy because they don't care about anyone's families. They care about cars, booze and sex.

Ernest Everhard
27th April 2002, 22:12
And what's wrong with that? People can give a shit about whatever they want to, who are you to determine someone elses priorities. Hey, it might suck that these people have no social consciousness, but I'd rather they have none then have one forced down their throats.

Fires of History
27th April 2002, 22:18
Quote: from Ernest Everhard on 10:12 pm on April 27, 2002
People can give a shit about whatever they want to, who are you to determine someone elses priorities

She's just practicing being amerikkka. They are, after all, the best at enforcing everyone's priorities around the world.

It's hilarious to hear a capie say that people be allowed to set their own priorities. Yeah, let's see amerikkka do that for even one day! Whew, good laugh, thanks...

I Will Deny You
28th April 2002, 17:35
Quote: from Ernest Everhard on 5:12 pm on April 27, 2002
And what's wrong with that? People can give a shit about whatever they want to, who are you to determine someone elses priorities. Hey, it might suck that these people have no social consciousness, but I'd rather they have none then have one forced down their throats.
It's not as if nothing is forced down anyone's throats with the system that's currently in place. Which is worse: social consciousness forced down a racecar-driving playmate's throat, or sweatshop labor forced down a third world population's throat? Both systems inhibit freedom in one way or another. So I guess the question is, which system takes away more freedoms?

Anarcho
30th April 2002, 07:55
Again, I fail to see how "sweat-shop labor" is forced down anyone's throat.

If working in a Nike factory is horrible, why do they do it? Seriously.

And again, as I've said before, the solution isn't to attack Nike, but to get the host government to create and inforce laws.

Capitalist
8th May 2002, 22:46
11 million slaves in Cuba

1 billion slaves in China

Capitalism = Freedom of Enterprise

Freedom to do good or bad.

Socialism = Big Government Programs = Inefficient Economy = Poverty = Tyrants = Corrupt Politics

Nateddi
8th May 2002, 23:02
I would rather live under the title of "slave", making as much money as I create, than living "free" and struggling at a low wage while toiling labor 40 hours a week (or more in the third world).

Capitalist, do you think the Russian people were freed after the USSR collapsed? If so, why is the oppressive (in my opinion) Communist Party of the Russian Federation #2 right now.
Must be many dumb Russian people who don't realize that when they make up the new 1/3 of the population in poverty, they are actually "liberated".

(Edited by Nateddi at 11:04 pm on May 8, 2002)

I Will Deny You
9th May 2002, 01:20
Quote: from Capitalist on 5:46 pm on May 8, 2002
1 billion slaves in China
Yeah, and nearly everyone in China who isn't unemployed is working for a company based in a capitalist country. And just out of curiosity, what's the difference between a slave in North Korea and a slave in South Korea? A slave in China and a slave in the Philippines?


Quote: from Capitalist on 5:46 pm on May 8, 2002
Socialism = Big Government Programs = Inefficient Economy = Poverty = Tyrants = Corrupt Politics
Because there's never any poverty in capitalist countries, nor are there tyrants . . . oh, wait. If you're so right about all communist countries relying on tyrants, why haven't you replied to this post (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=199)? And if it's corrupt politics you want, try going here (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=255).

Ernest Everhard
9th May 2002, 01:25
difference is that there are no legal slaves in S.Korea or the phillipines, people are are not subjegated by compulsory labor. Thats a huge difference.

Capitalist
9th May 2002, 02:53
Nateddi, You are completely close minded to reality.

I don't see people crossing the shark infested Alantic Ocean to go live in Communist Cuba.

I don't remember West Germans risking machine gun fire to cross the Berlin Wall so that they could live on the East-Communist Side of Germany.

I don't know of Americans cramming themselves on little boats and crossing the Pacific so that they can be smuggled into Communist China and work for almost no wages making trinkets for Capatilistic Americans.

Yes, I think the Russian People were definitely freed after the Russian collapse.

GLASNOST = Freedom of Speech and Media - granted by Gorbechev and basically led to the downfall of the Soviet Union.

UNIONS = Freedom of Assembly in Poland - led to the downfall of the Imperialistic Soviet Oppression in Satellite nations.

Russia's Political System and Economy is in disarray because of organized mafia. The Mafia's in Russia Control everything.

The answer is not to replace one thug with another.

Replace Mafia with Tyranny or Communism is not the answer.

The answer is to eliminate both.

The answer is Freedom and Democracy.

Mafia is a form of Evil Capitalism - it is totalarian in nature - like the communist party, it controls people through the use of threats and violence. The Russian People need to fight these oppressive powers - not create new ones or revive old ones

Nateddi
9th May 2002, 03:22
I don't see people crossing the shark infested Alantic Ocean to go live in Communist Cuba.
Capitalist, the percentage of people living in Cuba who flee is extremely small and you know that. Ofcourse if you have rich relatives in Miami, why not risk it and try to make it to Paradise.

However, why would an ordinary Cuban try to go to Miami? They know that in Cuba they will live in the kind of affluency not possible to illegal immigrants (nor anyone for that matter) who is starting from scratch in the US. Do you think their motivation is to smell freedom of speech? To eat at McDonalds?

I don't remember West Germans risking machine gun fire to cross the Berlin Wall so that they could live on the East-Communist Side of Germany.

I don't know of Americans cramming themselves on little boats and crossing the Pacific so that they can be smuggled into Communist China and work for almost no wages making trinkets for Capatilistic Americans.

Similar scenario

Yes, I think the Russian People were definitely freed after the Russian collapse.

GLASNOST = Freedom of Speech and Media - granted by Gorbechev and basically led to the downfall of the Soviet Union.

UNIONS = Freedom of Assembly in Poland - led to the downfall of the Imperialistic Soviet Oppression in Satellite nations.

Russia's Political System and Economy is in disarray because of organized mafia. The Mafia's in Russia Control everything.

The answer is not to replace one thug with another.

Replace Mafia with Tyranny or Communism is not the answer.

The answer is to eliminate both.

The answer is Freedom and Democracy.

Mafia is a form of Evil Capitalism - it is totalarian in nature - like the communist party, it controls people through the use of threats and violence. The Russian People need to fight these oppressive powers - not create new ones or revive old ones

Capitalist,
People were tired of the CPSU in the first year of independance, while the support for the Communist Party (which I don't support for the most part) grew fast afterward. You never seem to blame capitalism for any problems which seem to strafe directly from it, however you are quick to blame "communism" on every fault of so-called "communist" countries. I will agree with you, I support a crackdown on mafia. I highly doubt that it will help the situation in any noticible way. Aside from mafia, its sad to see that you don't consider economics as a part of the worstening of Russia in the last 10 years.