Go Le Pen!

[BatistaNationalista]

About time that the people rose up and chose a true nationalist against a socialist. Next up Charak

http://www.lepen.tv/bbr2001/images/lepen1.jpg

A stunning upset by far-right leader Jean-Marie Le Pen in France's presidential election triggered a political earthquake in France on Monday and sent shockwaves across Europe over the rise of the radical right.

Le Pen, dismissed until recently as a no-hope rabble rouser, surged into second place behind President Jacques Chirac in the first round on Sunday with 17 percent of votes, according to a count of some 95 percent of the ballot.

The National Front party leader's surprise showing ended the political career of Socialist Prime Minister Lionel Jospin.

"If voters evicted Jospin tonight, it is clearly probable they will evict Chirac in the second round," Jean-Marie Le Pen

(Edited by BatistaNationalista at 1:21 am on April 23, 2002)

[ArgueEverything]

he is an anti-semite

[RedCeltic]

I've heard there has been a rise in anti-semitism in France lately... and Jean-Marie Le Pen has campained on a strong anti forgiener/anti Semite agenda that will have him shipping forgieners off to where they came from.

It's quite disturbing considering France is a nation that has had strong leftist views for a long time.

[Ernest Everhard]

odd thing is he won a large chunk of the french jewish vote. Although I hope Chirac wins, I think its disengenious to call someone an anti semite so offhandedly, if you want to see some true anti semites look at people like derar or chupacabra in the general political topics section.

[Maaja]

Well, individuals can be antisemitic (although it's bad too) but a leader can't. If the leader is antisemitic then it means that all the policy of country will be that, even if most of the people aren't. That's why his antisemitism is 1000 times worse. And I am not so sure are member of Che lives antisemitic...

[Hayduke]

Nazi fucker le Pen, got the same problem here in Holland with Fortuyn.

[Dan Majerle]

BatistaNationalista that is seriously going to far. Supporint fascism is not only inane but dangerous. Let's hope Chirac pounds him into the ground along with his xenophobic policies whlist destroying the far right altogether.

[queen of diamonds]

well, i don't think it's fair to call le pen an anti-semite so offhandedly, but i think we definitely need to watch france carefully - electing extremists of any sort is a bad sign

[STALINSOLDIERS]

haha dam nationalist le pen ( the pen ) and batista your a stupid fuck for supporting him right wing= devel, evil
dam right wing them and there anti immigrants anti socialist there the pure evil for not liking others.

[RedCeltic]

If he's not an anti Semite than why does every news article I've seen about him thus far call him such?

[guerrillaradio]

Ernest/Agosto/whatever your name is - I made the same point on General Politics about French Jews. The fact is that Le Penn is little more than a populist. In 1987 he called the Holocaust "a detail of history", but 15 years later he is blasting pro-Palestine supporters for recent attacks on Jewish homes and communities in France. He is not even true to his beliefs, that's what sickens me.

You are also right about anti-semitism on the General Politics forum, however I don't think Derar is one. Try Stalin's Soldiers...

Finally, what's the whole deal with Jospin?? This guy was no more a socialist than Blair or Schroeder...

[Kingnothing]

I think we must be really concerned for the rise of fascism in europe. France is a country with tradionally left wing views since the french revolution and never has there been in france since the establishment of the republic such a far right succesful candidate. We must not ignore and the left in france has to reconsider its positions and its policies in order to oppose more succesfully the far right and gain people trust once more.

[deimos]

i agree with kingnothing.This guy is really dangerous.I think he's against everythink that isn't french.I think that
there many anti-semite in this forum.I don't want to mention names.

[RedCeltic]

I see your point he's not simply an anti Semite, but is against anything not French.

[queen of diamonds]

i agree with Kingnothing - regardless of how we attempt to - and suceed with - classifying this guy, nothing detracts from the fact that there is something to be worried about here

[El Che]

"odd thing is he won a large chunk of the french jewish vote. Although I hope Chirac wins, I think its disengenious to call someone an anti semite so offhandedly, if you want to see some true anti semites look at people like derar or chupacabra in the general political topics section."

Hahaha, good old augotos with his cheap shots against those who stand for justice in the middle east! Blame the victims! Use anti-semitism use it all! Use the lowest most unethical kind of demagogy! Why dont you try defending the palestinian question consistently? I`ll be glad to put my indifference towards this part of the forums on hold and consistently run your bullshit into the ground.

And just so you know (you would if you watched EuroNews for example) Le Pen said the holocaust was quote "a historical curiousity". Disengenious to call someone an anti semite so offhandedly indeed.

[BOZG]

I think we should just refrain from even replying to messages made by fools like Batista. Do us all a favor and go play with your dolls.

[deimos]

I think we should just refrain from even replying to messages made by fools like Batista. Do us all a favor and go play with your dolls.
I disagree.we should read his opinion and then try to tell him that he is obviusly stupid.And try to convince him.

[El Che]

"I disagree.we should read his opinion and then try to tell him that he is obviusly stupid."

lol...

[Moskitto]

Ok, Le Pen's party controls 4 councils in France, including Marsailles.

In Marsailles, all ethnic minorities lost their jobs in the council. Also the council started advertising campaigns making out the "Happy pure French mother and baby." The woman involved left Marsailles because she couldn't haddle being used as a right wing propaganda tool. The council employs the police (many of whom are NF members) who just happen to be corrupt enough to arrest foreigners for everything. Also there have been incidents of a cinema director who was arrested for organizing a discussion on HIV (discussing HIV is "promoting homosexuallity" according to them)

Now, what is going to happen if the leader of the party becomes president? Don't talk about the holocaust because the decision to enact the final solution was only made on December 27th 1941. Think a slow slide.

[pastradamus]

that guy is a modern day hitler

[red senator]

Do you know where I can get read his manifesto, or his oficial web-site, so I can see how nazi-like this guy really is.

[RedRevolutionary87]

im sorry to go off topic, but one thing we must remember is that the word semite refers to not only jews, but anyone from the area of palestine,syria, and lebanon, basicly anyone from the midle east. so in a way the israelli government is also anti semetic, anti-semite has infact been turned into a popular phrase like terorrist. it has become a great demagogy as well, people are exploiting the persectution of jews to gain controll

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from RedCeltic on 8:31 am on April 23, 2002
If he's not an anti Semite than why does every news article I've seen about him thus far call him such?
Because the Jews control the media, and they are against anyone who isn't a communist. They are out to destroy him. :)

(They actually said that because of, among other things, what he called the Holocaust.)

As Jon Stewart said on the Daily Show, it would be a pity of Le Pen won the election. Because of his xenophobia, French people might earn a reputation for being rude to foreigners.

(I refuse to answer any of Batista's posts seriously.)

[angry]

Le Pen is a lunatic with Neo-Nazi prespectives,
he can not and he must not get any power at all,
it´s sad that he has support of so many of th french nation..but I have seen the students protesting and if you ask me that man wont become president!

and anyone supporting him is al lunatic!

"Know your enemy" RATM

[Angie]

Because the Jews control the media, and they are against anyone who isn't a communist.By that reasoning, we should be able to knock them as much as we like, since most of us do appear to support the Palestinian people and thus have a bone to pick with the Israeli Government, it's beliefs and it's actions, and yet we'll never receive wrath for it, for the pure fact that we're a group of people who are Communists and/or Socialists. That's logical.

[Ho]

You are a mad man as he is

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from Angie on 8:01 am on April 24, 2002

Because the Jews control the media, and they are against anyone who isn't a communist.By that reasoning, we should be able to knock them as much as we like, since most of us do appear to support the Palestinian people and thus have a bone to pick with the Israeli Government, it's beliefs and it's actions, and yet we'll never receive wrath for it, for the pure fact that we're a group of people who are Communists and/or Socialists. That's logical.
I was joking, Angie.

[Ernest Everhard]

hey, everyone, everyone knows that Le Pen, will never win the general election. His victory is no reason to fret, he's also hardly a nazi and his victory hardly means a revival of fascism. In any case it is pretty funny that all these socialists are pulling for chirac.

[komsomol]

Quote: from BatistaNationalista on 1:16 am on April 23, 2002
About time that the people rose up and chose a true nationalist against a socialist. Next up Charak

http://www.lepen.tv/bbr2001/images/lepen1.jpg

A stunning upset by far-right leader Jean-Marie Le Pen in France's presidential election triggered a political earthquake in France on Monday and sent shockwaves across Europe over the rise of the radical right.

Le Pen, dismissed until recently as a no-hope rabble rouser, surged into second place behind President Jacques Chirac in the first round on Sunday with 17 percent of votes, according to a count of some 95 percent of the ballot.

The National Front party leader's surprise showing ended the political career of Socialist Prime Minister Lionel Jospin.

"If voters evicted Jospin tonight, it is clearly probable they will evict Chirac in the second round," Jean-Marie Le Pen

(Edited by BatistaNationalista at 1:21 am on April 23, 2002)



Hey you, stupid, about time you learn how to spell, its "Chirac" not "Charak".

[oconner]

he is a rascist idiot and so are you

[James]

Quote: from oconner on 5:10 pm on April 26, 2002
he is a rascist idiot and so are you i agree.

[James]

I only just realised that BatistaNationalista has only made the one post in here...he really ain't worth talking to

[pastradamus]

its the shit about le pen that u dont hear bout that sickens me,he wants to put in place a system in the government that more or less states that no foreigner or non white french person can be a member of parliment,also he wants the compleate abolition of the "race hate laws".

[Vladimir]

Fucking racist 12 year old bollicks, go eat a dick , u to Le Pen , nazi bastard!

[BatistaNationalista]

I have stated before in the Lounge forum that I am not a nazi. Neither is Le Pen. He is a nationalist because he actually cares about the well-being of his heritage, unlike you commies who just want to mix everythign up.

YOur lame remarks dont show any maturity on your side either.

[munkey soup]

"He is a nationalist because he actually cares about the well-being of his heritage, unlike you commies who just want to mix everythign up."

Sniff....Sniff.....I smell a fascist/nazi.

Ahhhhh, imaturity.

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from BatistaNationalista on 12:31 am on April 27, 2002
I have stated before in the Lounge forum that I am not a nazi. Neither is Le Pen. He is a nationalist because he actually cares about the well-being of his heritage, unlike you commies who just want to mix everythign up.

YOur lame remarks dont show any maturity on your side either.


Hitler was a nationalist because he actually cares about the well-being of his heritage, unlike us commies who just want to mix everythign up.

How's Le Pen not a fascist? Stupid.

[deadpool 52]

Yeah, I know, I mean, he only wants to controll the genetic makeup of his country.

[Fabi]

yeah.... that 'charak' or whatever it was sounded pretty stupid to me, too...

seriously, what is up with people's spelling? ubermench, charak..... well, as long as we know what we're talking about... hey, wait a second, i have the feeling a lot of people here dont... (w/o trying to offend anyone ;) )

besides during the past twenty years france always had about 20% of some sort of right-wingers and such.... (forgot were i just read an article that mentioned someting like that...)

[Angie]

He is a nationalist because he actually cares about the well-being of his heritage, unlike you commies who just want to mix everythign up. Heritage isn't about who makes what amount of money from where. Heritage is about taking what you have, or had, and preserving it in history for future generations to come. As a Socialist, I proudly uphold that my nation preserve what it has, whether negative or positive, so that future generations may benefit from knowing their history.

It's not even about being a flag-waving patriot, let alone anything else. To have a present is automatic, but to have a decent future, we must have a past to learn from. Therefore, the past must be preserved.

Take Cuba: The Cuban Revolution dramatically changed the way that it's country ran, as it had not been run with the entire population of Cuba in mind. However, I'm sure that Castro would be the first person to tell you that the Cuban people must never forget their nation's history pre-Revolution, for the sheer fact that what happened before must never be allowed to happen again.

That's preserving a heritage. Destroying a political regime, yes. But destroying a heritage? No.

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from BatistaNationalista on 7:31 pm on April 26, 2002
I have stated before in the Lounge forum that I am not a nazi. Neither is Le Pen. He is a nationalist because he actually cares about the well-being of his heritage, unlike you commies who just want to mix everythign up.
Thank G-d for nationalist un-Nazis like Hitler and Le Pen! If only there were more nationalists like Le Pen, the world would be so much better! Oh, wait, didn't nationalism feed into the Nazi regime? Batista, you might want to ask your seventh-grade history teacher about that tomorrow.

[oconner]

[quote]Quote: from James on 5:33 pm on April 26, 2002
[quote]
yaaaaaayyyyy!! someone agreeed with me! I'm not used to that :)

[oconner]

d'oh! I can't do qoutes properly. anyway, I'm still pleased.

[pastradamus]

look i'll give u the definition of facism:
5 key points about facism:

1)extreme nationalism
2)cult of the leader
3)anti-democratic
4)agressive foreign policy
5)anti-communist

and if u argue against any of the above u are a complete and utter fool.

[Ernest Everhard]

Peron hardly conducted an aggressive foreign policy, and was bery pro worker in his economic policies. I guess, in any case, this definition also fits someone like Castro, so I suppose you're willing to call him a fascist, I agree.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from BatistaNationalista on 12:31 am on April 27, 2002
He is a nationalist because he actually cares about the well-being of his heritage, unlike you commies who just want to mix everythign up.

Jesus kids, we're gonna have difficulty overcoming this guy, he really has his arguments sorted...

Ernest - is Castro anti-communist?? Not overtly methinks, although I'm not very knowledgeable on the guy and not his biggest fan either...

[elizquierdista]

Ernest, Peron was a fascist! In Buenos Aires before Peron there were no slums. Thanks to him, now the city's full of them. He had a horrible domestic and foreign policy. He gave to the poor without expecting them to work or do anything (now, they're [the poor] all lazy crooks). And he forgave God knows how many millions of dollars of debt owed to Argentina. He was ultranationalistic, he ran a totalitarian system with himself at the head, and he hated the US as well as the USSR.