NY Mayor Linked to Prostitution Ring

[Lenin II]

Check it out:

http://www.examiner.com/a-1269772~Report__Spitzer_Linked_to_Prostitution.htm l (http://www.examiner.com/a-1269772%7EReport__Spitzer_Linked_to_Prostitution.h tml)



Thoughts?

[Asoka89]

Edit your thread its the New York Governor, and Spitzer is pretty good for as far as bourgeois politicans go (wall street dont like him)

And if by "linked to a prostitution ring" he paid cash for some upscale prositute to suck his dick than, I guess thats bad since he is married, there are bigger things in the world for us to discuss and for the news to cover.

[Red October]

Who cares about this? There's plenty to criticize about bourgeois politicians without bringing their sex lives into it.

[BIG BROTHER]

He could have sex with all the hookers in the world for all that I care, the real problem is that politicians don't serve the people.

They only serve their own interests and the capitalists.

[Asoka89]

Nope, some like Spitzer, Wellstone etc try to serve the people, but the nature of the system and the nature of capital prevents them from doing so effectively enough to fundamentally change things, they can just alleviate some worker suffering

[BIG BROTHER]

Nope, some like Spitzer, Wellstone etc try to serve the people, but the nature of the system and the nature of capital prevents them from doing so effectively enough to fundamentally change things, they can just alleviate some worker suffering

Good correction.

[Genosse Kotze]

No, Spitzer is a pig with or without the prostitutes. However, this morning, before the the sex scandal broke, my mom was very excited about some legislation that Spitzer was talking around. It was something to the effect that NY would keep abortion legal in the event that the US Supreme court would throwout roe v. wade. I guess now we know his reason behind this (doesn't want to have an illegitimate son with the prostitute who was spitzing his govenor.) As far as political sex scandals go though, this has got to be the first heterosexual one I've heard of in a long while.

[There is No God!]

In Australia when we found out that the opposition leader had gotten drunk and went to a strip club his approval rating went up 2% :D

In my opinion this is a private matter, and I think it should stay that way.

[Sendo]

I'm a New York Stater and I am shocked (well, not really, actually) that it got WORLD-WIDE attention. For Christ's sake!

Everyone is flipping shit over the act itself, and it sucks that he did this since he was progressive (well he tries to be), going after Wall Street, wanting same-\sex marriage stuff, universal driver's license, etc.

However, I cannot stand an iota of hypocrisy, and one of Spitzer's big things during his Attorney General-ship was going after prostitution dogedly. So, I do condemn this much more than I would than Clinton's BJ (his marriage was a sham anyway).

Then again, it also very hypocritical for everyone to criticize him. As someone on BBC News message board said: "A top tourist destination in the States is Las Vegas, where gambling and prostituion are not only legal, they are celebrated."

[Os Cangaceiros]

I wonder what kind of prostitute is worth over 4,000 dollars. It must have been some pretty special sex, for that price tag.

[Os Cangaceiros]

According to this, he spent over 80,000 dollars on prostitutes over a ten year span:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03112008/news/regionalnews/spitzer_has_used_hookers_for_6_years__so_101444.ht m

It's the NY Post, though, so take it with a grain of salt. ;)

[Os Cangaceiros]

Then again, it also very hypocritical for everyone to criticize him. As someone on BBC News message board said: "A top tourist destination in the States is Las Vegas, where gambling and prostituion are not only legal, they are celebrated."

Give me a break. I can criticize this clown all I want.

This hypocrite vowed to prosecute escort services to the fullest extent of the law, but I suppose he is different from the "mere mortals". :rolleyes:

[Black Cross]

I don't give two shits about who politicians are nailing. I do, however, care that this particular politician is being a hypocrite. and lord knows I hate a hypocrite. But i suppose it just comes with the territory.

[BobKKKindle$]

This is very unfair; although Spitzer is a bourgeois politician, hostile to the interests of the working class, no politician should be forced to step down because they've chosen to hire a prostitute - we should accept that politicians are human beings, which means that they experience sexual urges, and so may pay money to have those urges satisfied, if they can't get sex through a non-financial relationship. This "scandal" is an indication of the prevalence of anti-sex ideology that permeates our society; contraception is not widely available, and people who are open about their desires or who enjoy being with many partners are criticized (note the use of the term "slut") and we as socialists should try and destroy this prevailing morality - starting with the abolition of age-of-consent laws. Sexuality is a sphere of human experience that demands complete liberation.

No socialist should welcome Spitzer's resignation. If he faces criminal charges, we should call for his defense, and the legalisation of prostitution.


And if by "linked to a prostitution ring" he paid cash for some upscale prositute to suck his dick than, I guess thats bad since he is marriedWhy does the fact that he is married make what he did "bad"? No-one is under any obligation to stay with a single partner - and we shouldn't criticize anyone who tries to expand their sexual experience beyond the narrow limits of marriage. If he hired a prostitute, it may be possible that his partner was not satisfying him sexually, and no-one should be prohibited from enjoying sex because of some out-dated legal contract.

You seem like a reactionary.

[Ferryman 5]

This is very unfair; although Spitzer is a bourgeois politician, hostile to the interests of the working class, no politician should be forced to step down because they've chosen to hire a prostitute - we should accept that politicians are human beings, which means that they experience sexual urges, and so may pay money to have those urges satisfied, if they can't get sex through a non-financial relationship. This "scandal" is an indication of the prevalence of anti-sex ideology that permeates our society; contraception is not widely available, and people who are open about their desires or who enjoy being with many partners are criticized (note the use of the term "slut") and we as socialists should try and destroy this prevailing morality - starting with the abolition of age-of-consent laws. Sexuality is a sphere of human experience that demands complete liberation.

No socialist should welcome Spitzer's resignation.



Why does the fact that he is married make what he did "bad"? No-one is under any obligation to stay with a single partner - and we shouldn't criticize anyone who tries to expand their sexual experience beyond the narrow limits of marriage. If he hired a prostitute, it may be possible that his partner was not satisfying him sexually, and no-one should be prohibited from enjoying sex because of some out-dated legal contract.

You seem like a reactionary.

The man and his class are all lying hypocrites, that's the point! Not only is he a lying hypocrite but a crook who has been covering-up his spending of public money on his own personal pleasure. So while he was drawing his fat salary he was also steeling cash that is supposed to be spent for the public good. They are all at it especially the reformists. And when one of them gets griped, out come the liberal lefts winging about 'individual rights'. Individual rights are in truth only for the boss class we the proletariat don't have any rights in reality. The low-life creep should be held up to ridicule by all communists as an example of rasping bourgeois hypocrisy.

"Very unfair", ha.

[Sendo]

Give me a break. I can criticize this clown all I want.

This hypocrite vowed to prosecute escort services to the fullest extent of the law, but I suppose he is different from the "mere mortals". :rolleyes:

You misunderstand my poorly worded comments.

I meant everyone is being hypocritical for condemning the ACT IN AND OF ITSELF. And by that I mean the collective of people. I'm sure a good portion of the people who condemn Spitzer on TV or in personal conversations do so for their "revulsion" with affairs or their "revulsion" with prostitutes have cheated on someone before. Cheating on your partner is wrong to your partner (as a form of lying or betrayal of trust), yes, and that is not limited to marriage. So many people fuck other girls behind their girlfriends' or wives' backs. My point is that people will, in public conversations, condemn Spitzer for things they have done of equally immoral nature.

[BobKKKindle$]

"Very unfair", ha.I agree, his behavior is hypocritical, given that he has punished others for using escort services, but that does not mean we should welcome his resignation - the fact that he has been forced to step down, and the possibility that he might be punished for his actions, simply reinforces the idea that the only acceptable form of sex is that which occurs between two humans who are not of the same sex, and have signed a marriage contract. We should use this opportunity to call for the destruction of the outdated conception of what is "moral" in sexual relations.

In a similar case, covered here (http://www.icl-fi.org/english/wv/898/ednote-craig.html) a Republican senator was implicated in a "sex" scandal after he made signs in a male bathroom that apparently indicated sexual intent - which nearly resulted in his resignation. We should actively defend all those who are suffering sexual repression, even if we disagree with some of their decisions and ideas, as in the case of bourgeois politicians, just as we defend those suffering racial discrimination - Socialists fight against all forms of repression. Government out of bedrooms!

[Os Cangaceiros]

You misunderstand my poorly worded comments.

I meant everyone is being hypocritical for condemning the ACT IN AND OF ITSELF. And by that I mean the collective of people. I'm sure a good portion of the people who condemn Spitzer on TV or in personal conversations do so for their "revulsion" with affairs or their "revulsion" with prostitutes have cheated on someone before. Cheating on your partner is wrong to your partner (as a form of lying or betrayal of trust), yes, and that is not limited to marriage. So many people fuck other girls behind their girlfriends' or wives' backs. My point is that people will, in public conversations, condemn Spitzer for things they have done of equally immoral nature.

Well, yeah, I agree that it is very hypocritical for people to condemn someone for what many consider reckless sexual behavior when they themselves engage in it. And if this were simply a matter of an sexphobic society trying to lynch a poor fellow for this type of thing, I would have no problem condemning it. (And, for the record, I support the legalization of prostitution.)

HOWEVER, it is not as simple as this.

In this case, we are talking about a prosecuter who attacked, with great zeal, the very institutions which he was patronizing. For goodness sake, he allegedly spent over 80,000 dollars on prostitutes over 10 years. One has to remember that those ten years were also spent persecuting those who engaged in this activity, including a bill Spitzer passed into law specifically targeting the male clients of prostitutes.

So, essentially what we have here is just another bourgeois politician who thinks that he can dictate for society rules that he himself refuses to abide by. And I think we can all agree that we need less of those.

[Ferryman 5]

I agree, his behavior is hypocritical, given that he has punished others for using escort services, but that does not mean we should welcome his resignation - the fact that he has been forced to step down, and the possibility that he might be punished for his actions, simply reinforces the idea that the only acceptable form of sex is that which occurs between two humans who are not of the same sex, and have signed a marriage contract. We should use this opportunity to call for the destruction of the outdated conception of what is "moral" in sexual relations.

In a similar case, covered here (http://www.icl-fi.org/english/wv/898/ednote-craig.html) a Republican senator was implicated in a "sex" scandal after he made signs in a male bathroom that apparently indicated sexual intent - which nearly resulted in his resignation. We should actively defend all those who are suffering sexual repression, even if we disagree with some of their decisions and ideas, as in the case of bourgeois politicians, just as we defend those suffering racial discrimination - Socialists fight against all forms of repression. Government out of bedrooms!


We don't "welcome his resignation" as you say, we want him exposed for what he is, - literally, a fucking fraud! Like all his class and cast a fraud on the working class. And an expensive and abusive fraud at that. And you and the Spartacist League want to defend him as some king of a victim. Weired.

[Faux Real]

Poor girl, all the media attention (as if there wasn't anything more compelling and relevant to the daily lives of the viewers) has made her destroy her myspace page. Just yesterday it was full of pictures and info about her! http://www.myspace.com/ninavenetta

Was an "aspiring r&b singer" too.
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Edit: Nevermind the above, it was hacked temporarily. You can see pics of her and whatnot if you'd like.

[Ferryman 5]

Poor girl, all the media attention (as if there wasn't anything more compelling and relevant to the daily lives of the viewers) has made her destroy her myspace page. Just yesterday it was full of pictures and info about her! http://www.myspace.com/ninavenetta

Was an "aspiring r&b singer" too.

Oh no, please don't take attention away from the 'human rights' of a rich lying bourgeois twat and his pedophile defenders.

[Luís Henrique]

I wonder what kind of prostitute is worth over 4,000 dollars. It must have been some pretty special sex, for that price tag.

I could enlighten you, but you would have to have US$ 4,000 for starters.

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

If being a john means you're "linked" to a prostitution ring, then I guess most of us are linked to McDonalds and Coca-Cola.

This guy is a hypocrite, of course, since he made himself an image of persecutor of prostitution rings.

But the scandal is not that he is a john, but that he persecuted prostitution rings.

Luís Henrique

[rouchambeau]

What was most appalling was the way he paraded his wife and daughters out when he apologized for what he did. I would have been too embarrassed if that were my dad.

[Ferryman 5]

What was most appalling was the way he paraded his wife and daughters out when he apologized for what he did. I would have been too embarrassed if that were my dad.

Yes, most workers (ordinary people) would be embarrassed. But these people are not ordinary they are nut-case bourgeoisie abusers and they want us all to acquiess to their vicious bullying habits and manners. And the idiot Sparats fall straight into the trap defending them by way of pre-revolutionary reformist campaigning as if any of the issues about sexual freedom can be resolved within an exploitative capitalist culture.

[R_P_A_S]

why are we wasting our time with this shit?

[Ferryman 5]

why are we wasting our time with this shit?

Because the degenerate reformist capitalist culture wants to find excuses for its abusive habits and it wants us all to buy into them and own them.

[gilhyle]

What is interesting about this....but then only slightly interesting .....is how he was brought down. Firstly he seems to have got caught because the 'ring' he was linked to insisted on getting paid by wire payment. He then supposedly makes wire payments...tries to get his name taken off a wire payment and that leads (suppposedly) to a money laundering report because as an 'xposed person' (i.e. a politician) his name was on a list. The money laundering agency then supposedly sets up a special task force to go after him although there is no evidence of money laundering....brings in the FBI (why ?) who go after the agency as well. How often do these agencies get pursued .....rarely. The next interesting aspect is the act they charged him under - the Mann Act (previously the white slave trade act). This rarely used Act was previously used to try to get Charlie Chaplin among others.

So does it all look like a politically motivated proecution? Yep !

[Ferryman 5]

What is interesting about this....but then only slightly interesting .....is how he was brought down. Firstly he seems to have got caught because the 'ring' he was linked to insisted on getting paid by wire payment. He then supposedly makes wire payments...tries to get his name taken off a wire payment and that leads (suppposedly) to a money laundering report because as an 'xposed person' (i.e. a politician) his name was on a list. The money laundering agency then supposedly sets up a special task force to go after him although there is no evidence of money laundering....brings in the FBI (why ?) who go after the agency as well. How often do these agencies get pursued .....rarely. The next interesting aspect is the act they charged him under - the Mann Act (previously the white slave trade act). This rarely used Act was previously used to try to get Charlie Chaplin among others.

So does it all look like a politically motivated proecution? Yep !

But you and most of us here on this site know and accept that everything is "politically motivated" and that doesnt change the fact that this bloke is an insecure, light-minded, and essentially a juvenile. bourgeois character.

Nothing wrong with being juvenile except when you are supposed to be responsible for and supporting lots of other people as this twat dose.

[Pawn Power]

Here is an amusing, and true!, article on the subject: http://www.counterpunch.org/block03172008.html

In the letter the author presents an open letter to Eliot:

Dear Mr. Spitzer (may I call you Eliot?),
I have a great idea for how you could resurrect your now-dead political career: Admit the hypocrisy of your sex life up until now, and work to decriminalize prostitution in New York and in America.
I know, it sounds outrageous. But you know, in your heart of hearts, as well as deep within your balls, that it's the right thing to do. And it just might work. Before New York was New York, it was New Amsterdam. Look at what they're doing in old Amsterdam. When prostitution is decriminalized, crime goes down.
Come on, Eliot, you can do it! Use some of your family millions, your amazing Harvard-trained brain, your now substantial name recognition, your famously high testosterone levels, your legendary drive to win and your deep desire to be one of the Good Guys, to get this ridiculous victimless crime off the books.
If you succeed in "Amsterdamizing" New York and the country, I promise you will become a hero to many. Your current abject humiliation will be seen as a springboard to your greatest calling: the decriminalization of prostitution. You could then become an advocate of sex workers rights and safety, really truly helping some of the women you once patronized.
It would be a brilliant career move, as well as the best moral choice for you, considering your current politically hopeless circumstances.
In the interest of my country, as well as my own promotion (I'm not a hooker, but I am a publicity whore), I would offer my services to you as a sex therapist.
No charge.
Sincerely
Susan M. Block, PhD

[Marsella]

Wow, two months pay in one hour...where's the application forms? :scared: