Antifa, good au bad?

[Holden Caulfield]

My associate from msn, a committed lefty, says i shouldnt get associated with antifa as they are 'self-rightious' 'mainly middle class' 'and are useless at fighting fascism', i disagree

i think it is fine and dandy to fuck up Nazis for my own enjoyment if nothing else, but i think as well as doing 'normal' communist political activism and i dont just work with antifa then there is no possible argument against it, except from pussy pacifists of course but their arguments are shit anyhoo

opinions on weather working with antifa is one positive political move?

[RedAnarchist]

In some countries, especially in Eastern Europe, Antifa are very important to the revolutionary left.

[Holden Caulfield]

i agree but im talkin this country, now and inthe places we are

(if context helps, i would be in newcastle and my mate in glasgow if it matters)

and fuck me that was a fast reply, well done

[Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg]

Militiant antifascism depends on the curcumstances (spelling??). If Nazi's use violence then revenge/confrontation is justifiable. But we must be carefull when using violence; it could fuel propoganda against us.

[Holden Caulfield]

well i see them spreading leaflet from a table i try to nick and chuck as many as i can run away with, i see them carrying a bag fully of them to spread i hit the fucker and steal them all for use as toilet paper,

they park their car out side my fave Polish food shop woth banners up i key it, if it was less crowded i smash the fucker up

i see the fucker who sprayed a NF at the top of my road i make him eat his spray can

this is my kinda view, i dont relay on violence but it is social justice...kinda

[pave_the_planet]

ive always seen Antifa as a label for anyone whos anti-fascist. not just a certain group. so i think its silly for the left to criticize "antifa" when were all anti-fascist.

[Holden Caulfield]

ive always seen Antifa as a label for anyone whos anti-fascist. not just a certain group. so i think its silly for the left to criticize "antifa" when were all anti-fascist.

i agree but the fact is a group called Antifa exsist and this is the debate here,

welcome to the forum as well comrade, all posts are good posts

[RaiseYourVoice]

i agree but the fact is a group called Antifa exsist and this is the debate here,

welcome to the forum as well comrade, all posts are good posts
just for information, is antifa in UK one big organisation? because over her in germany its usually totally up to the local group.

In any case, as long as they seem comitted to you, it is very good if you get involved with them. Groups that focus only on antifashism alone tend to generate strange tendencies, when left alone. The more people with correct political views and anti-capitalist ideology get involved the better it gets.

[Kropotesta]

na it's like federal autonomous group thing.
edit: Affinity groups coming under Antifa so the same as yours in Germany

[Holden Caulfield]

in England it seems fairly official rather than just a banner you can carry regardless,
this does need cleared up, but some one

i 'offically' (if such things exsist) havent taken part in any Antifa, but have contacted them about future group activity

[Awful Reality]

They can be annoying at times, but at least they are marxists who fight fascism. So therefore, I like them.

[Holden Caulfield]

Htey can be annoying at times, but at least ehey are marxists who fight fascism. So therefore, I like them.

they are mainly anarchists that i have spoken to, so sorry for that one, they said i could take part in the group as long as i didnt 'push my (trotskyist) politics through or into the group'

[F9]

Ofcourse good!Antifa is attacking fascism to its roots so to destroy them!You cant have nazis walk outside your house and let them go; you force them go!And if antifas groups or individuals wherent exist fascists would affect a lot of people from their "strikes" because their wouldnt be an enemy to clear what shitty things they are!

Fuserg9:star:

[Mujer Libre]

I don't see how antifa could be a bad thing?

If fascists are active in your area (which it seems like they are) I think it's important that they are confronted and hopefully deterred and that local people are involved in anti-fascist activities, or at the very least see that there are people opposing the fascists.

And I don't think anyone is going to just to the antifa thing, because that's single-issue stuff- still important though.

[Autonome-Antifa]

No Antifa???

What do i have to do with my saturedays than.

I love to hunt down nazis.:D

[pave_the_planet]

i agree but the fact is a group called Antifa exsist and this is the debate here,

welcome to the forum as well comrade, all posts are good posts

ahhh. ok i get it.


and thanks :D

[Bilan]

No offence, but the self righteous twat is your friend (With all due respect).
He is either a social-democrat who thinks that fascism can be tactially suppressed - you know, by electing the right people, etc - or just doesn't realize the realities of fascists organizing, in which case he is a total dolt.

People have to much of a tendency to just sit back and chatter while fascists organize, or carry out actions.

Antifa is a good thing: it's street level defense against fascism.

[EricTheRed]

I suppose it varies from place to place, but the Antifa around where I live are a valuable force and are certainly not 'middle-class'. They're all working class youth or even some old relics from the New Left.

The ARA are an asset and I support them in totality.

[thejambo1]

i think antifa are very important, in eastern europe they are a necessity to stop the rise of nazis. in britain we have to organize as they do in the east.

[OrientalHado]

They are important. Anything that stops the fash from organising is good. Be it throwing bricks disrupting the meetings, or mass marches..

Tbh I have much sympathy for Antifa and it has had some sucess.

[Tower of Bebel]

Classic antifa is only good for short term actions. Since fascism roots in capitalism the only thing that can stop it is the socialist alternative. Fascism is like fungus frowing on the rotten imperialist system.
It's also a bourgeois reaction (that's why a popular front doesn't work). The bourgeoisie will use it as the last opportunity to stop the working class from gaining power, though fascism is a reactionary ideologie supported by mainly the petit-bourgeoisie and lumpen-proletariat. Yet it suites the bourgeoisie better than socialism. Only the workers can stop it from gaining the upper hand.
Marginalized fascist elements can be hindered by antifa militants, but when the reaction settles itself amongst the petit-bourgeoisie and/or working class elements those militants will be crushed by repression.

[Colonello Buendia]

I'm entirely pro-antifa, in fact is there a Glasgow group?

[Awful Reality]

Shit! My local antifa site is down!

Glad to find out that there's a Pittsburgh ARA though, makes me happy. If I can access the site, I'm going to join soon.

[Autonome-Antifa]

I'm entirely pro-antifa, in fact is there a Glasgow group?


Maby you can ask this guys http://www.classwar.com

[Lector Malibu]

I support them and their efforts.