How can you hate me?

[BatistaNationalista]

I cannot believe that all of you communist bastards hate me, and love your corrupt tyrant Castro. Tell me one thing that the evil bastard did, which Batista did not do. Batista was a great ruler of Cuba, and its unbelievable that you are all here being proud of your own terrorist hero "Che".

Seek the truth guys, you won't like your guerrilla terrorist Che. Batista was better than anything else after him.

[RedCeltic]

http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/markburton/democ.htm

[PaulDavidHewson]

"Since the revolution in 1959, Cuba has travelled a long way, from the oppressed, suffering nation that it was, and has since established its own unique form of democracy. "

hmmm, indeed unique.

"Are there elections in Cuba?

Yes. There are direct elections to the Municipal, Provincial, and National Assemblies. The Cuban parliament is represented by the National Assembly. "

Castro would shoot anyone doubting him on the ground of being anti-revolutionary.

[BatistaNationalista]

Exactly my point, Paul!

Castro is the Tyrant, not me. Castro would never allow any sort of democracy or free-market movement no matter what.

[PaulDavidHewson]

Batista isn't any better, they basically commit the same crimes.

The one was funded by America the other by the sovjets.

[BatistaNationalista]

The soviet union was a corrupt tyrant regime dedicated to helping other communist regimes.

The US saw me as a great trade partner, and a good leader of an allied nation. Batista would never even think about launching nukes on any nation. Democratic, Communist, Fascist, Capitalist, etc.

[PaulDavidHewson]

You didn't take care of your people Batista, you have to think of them and help them develop and help your country develop. Cuba is a country, not a factory.

Profits aren't everything Batisita.

[Guest]

Batista was one of the leaders that were blessed from USA, because he supported enslavement of Cuban people for service of capitalism and American imperialism. People in times of Batista were not free at all and they did not have any free schools and health care services. He was another pro-american fascist and tyrant who oppresed people and worked only for his own money which he recieved from USA for peoples´ enslavement.


TITOMAn

[BatistaNationalista]

Oh please guys,

Nobody supports sweat shops. Trade with America was good for both nations, and therfore if sweatshops were needed, they were made. Batista did not control the economy like Communist Castro, I allowed American companies to do as they wished. Our country was efficient, and the US was secure.

Everythign was gone when the communists seized power.

[PaulDavidHewson]

You should not export most food the country produces and let your people starve on the streets Batista.

[Guest]

Oh please guys,

Nobody supports sweat shops. Trade with America was good for both nations, and therfore if sweatshops were needed, they were made. Batista did not control the economy like Communist Castro, I allowed American companies to do as they wished. Our country was efficient, and the US was secure.

Everythign was gone when the communists seized power

So it was good that people were not educated? Of course it was, for Batista at least. He was Batista nationalista, he had thoughts like Hitler:

What luck for rulers, that men do not think. - Adolf Hitler

That man has tried sultify people with his stupid American policy which enslaved people and gave misery and little salaries to them. He abandoned schools and health service. Now he must be sorry that people sometimes DO think.


TITOMAn

[RedCeltic]

Stop talking like your Batista yourself... that isn't funny...

Batista occasionally allowed professional politicians to replace him, but took over, by military coup, whenever it suited him, on the grounds that they were corrupt, which they were. In 1952 he removed Dr Carlos Prio Socarras, who was busily bringing charges of corruption against his predecessor of the same Autentioa party, while allegedly feathering his own nest. Batista having made himself President immediately showed himself more corrupt than either of them.

[poncho]

"Just as serious or even worse is the housing problem. There are two hundred thousand huts and hovels in Cuba; four hundred thousand families in the countryside and in the cities live cramped in huts and tenements without even the minimum sanitary requirements; two million two hundred thousand of our urban population pay rents which absorb between one fifth and one third of their incomes; and two million eight hundred thousand of our rural and suburban population lack electricity. We have the same situation here: if the State proposes the lowering of rents, landlords threaten to freeze all construction; if the State does not interfere, construction goes on so long as landlords get high rents; otherwise they would not lay a single brick even though the rest of the population had to live totally exposed to the elements. The utilities monopoly is no better; they extend lines as far as it is profitable and beyond that point they don't care if people have to live in darkness for the rest of their lives. The State sits back with its arms crossed and the people have neither homes nor electricity."--Fidel Castro History Will Absolve Me

What are the FACTS:Fidel Castro and his goverment are without the slightest doubt the most popular government Cuba has ever enjoyed! Just the vast improvement in the above was worth the price of the revolution!

Try the Bay of Pigs again; High I'm a criminal from Miami representing United Fruit, we want our land back.

The Cuban will again tell you again "go home"

[PunkRawker677]

FYI:
Batista's men opened fire on many protests and killed many women and children.. these were all peaceful protests.. In Havana Unviersity, in the early 50's, Batista opened fire on the university as school got out, killing hundred of students. in his words:

"The revolution is coming from the Universities"

what a great leader.. kill the peaceful protestsers, kill the students, and make cuba the #1 prostitute capital of the world..

[Hayduke]

Quote: from RedCeltic on 8:09 am on April 18, 2002
Stop talking like your Batista yourself... that isn't funny...


I agree, you must be one sick man to compare yourself to a dictator......
But he if you get your kick from that.

I think Castro and his communism was what the people wanted, cause if not they wouldnt have helped Castro and Che in the revolution, in so many ways.

The people from Cuba were tired of being Americas ***** under the control of a army boy. Heres your result.

Welcome to the real world Batista boy.

D-Day

[PaulDavidHewson]

"I think Castro and his communism was what the people wanted, cause if not they wouldnt have helped Castro and Che in the revolution, in so many ways. "

The people of Cuba were mislead, Castro promised free elections amongst others and what happened to that?

If you want I can provide a list of facts, but I have already posted that list on another thread.

[vox]

Batista's death squads, anyone? It got so bad even Dulles had to withdraw support. There, that's a start.

vox

[BatistaNationalista]

Prove it, Commie.

Batista had absolutely no death squads, you must be thinking of Castro when you wrote that.

[TITOMAn]

Prove it, Commie.

Batista had absolutely no death squads, you must be thinking of Castro when you wrote that.


We have proven a lot of things to you. It would be really cool if you would prove anything nazi, you just talk shit and shit.

[TITOMAn]

Nationalista, read my signature.


Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - Albert Einstein


You are the plague.

[BatistaNationalista]

Tito,

Everyone knows that a strong central government is needed for a society to operate. With the exception of a few anarchists, even you should agree with this. Look realistically instead of having an anarchist paradise. Lenin himself even turned back on that word. He killed more people in his short reign than Batista in his 25+ years of Cuban leadership.

[vox]

By late 1955 student riots and anti-Batista demonstration had become frequent. These were dealt with in the violent manner his military police had come to represent. Students attempting to march from the University of Havana were stopped and beaten by the police, and student leader José A. Echeverría had to be hospitalized. Another popular student leader was killed on December 10, leading to a funeral that became a gigantic political protest with a five-minute nationwide work stoppage.

Instead of loosening his grip, Batista suspended constitutional guarantees and established tighter censorship of the media. His military police would patrol the streets and pick up anyone suspected of insurrection. By the end of 1955 they had grown more prone to violent acts of brutality and torture, with no fear of legal repercussions.

In March of 1956 Batista refused to consider a proposal calling for elections by the end of the year. He was confident that he could defeat any revolutionary attempt from the many factions who opposed him.

Even after the landing of the Granma in December of 1956 (which brought the Castro brothers back to Cuba along with Che Guevara and marked the beginning of the armed conflict) Batista continued to rule with his usually confident iron fist.

Due to continued opposition, the University of Havana was temporarily closed on November 30, 1956. (It would not re-open until early 1959, after a revolutionary victory.) But that did not end the flow of student blood, including Echeverría’s, who was killed by police after a radio broadcast on March 13, 1957.

http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/batista.htm



I was skeptical, as my friends had known I would be. They had brought pictures to prove it. These photographs had been taken by a doctor of a woman who had come to him for treatment. She was a schoolteacher and had been arrested with one of her male students on suspicion of plotting against the government. They were taken by the police to a prison where they had been tortured. She had been severely beaten and he had been pounded into unconsciousness. They had been released because the teacher's sister fortunately had friends in high enough positions in the government to open the prison doors. The doctor who treated the woman said he had never seen a human body more mistreated. He had taken the pictures, with her permission, because there were still some who did not believe or realize what was going on. The horrible wounds on the woman's body were convincing, as were the reports of case after case of the sons of prominent Cuban families who had joined either the students' organization or the July 26 movement and had been arrested and killed.

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~delacova/cuban...kirkpatrick.htm (http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~delacova/cuban-rebels/kirkpatrick.htm)

vox

[BatistaNationalista]

Castro propaganda, nothing but propaganda.

Everything Castro did is twice as worse as Batista. Atleast he cared, Castro is just a tyrant.

[Nateddi]

Damn you batista, are you still here?

Go home damnit, we don't need your shit here.

[TITOMAn]

Bastita never held elections, nationalista.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/cubabrains/bat...atista1933.html (http://www.angelfire.com/fl/cubabrains/batista1933.html)

[petey the punk]

nateddi-dont be so narrow minded

batista bastard-you can sit in you happy quiet home and rest spewing out your fucking fascist propaganda. while the U.S. goes and bombs other countries until they put some whore in power who might as well take the title viceroy. but just know that were fucking the workingclass like slaves. and you can say "oh, he's fifteen he knows nothing" but Ive been to cubaand what type of tyrany has no smoking or drinking age. what kind of tyrany has no curfew for kids no raids on parties. what kind of tyrany leaves no one starving to death gives all people the necesities of life. okay it aint perfect but it sure as hell is better then the sysem here In the U.$. so its not like the "dictatorship" Uncle $am calls it. SO FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Punk Rock Petey

[poncho]

Quote: from BatistaNationalista on 11:17 pm on April 18, 2002
Prove it, Commie.

Batista had absolutely no death squads, you must be thinking of Castro when you wrote that.


So Ernest Hemmingway lied in his letters when he pointed out that the police under Batista would hang teenage thieves and leave there bodies hanging on street corners; so all the other would be thieves in the neighborhood would be warned.....

[sabre]

Batista answer me this?

If batista was so awesome, then why did the entire population of cuba revolt against him?


and why arent they against castro?

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from TITOMAn on 12:30 am on April 19, 2002
Bastita never held elections, nationalista.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/cubabrains/bat...atista1933.html (http://www.angelfire.com/fl/cubabrains/batista1933.html)




Actualy I'm pretty sure he allowed them for a while but when he returned to power he got rid of them as well as newspapers...I think though I lost the research i did on him.

And by the way Batista Nationalist, what the hell is up with you having Batista in your name? THe guy was an opressive asshole

[RedRevolutionary87]

ok listen i said it once and ill say it again, capitalist freedom is fake freedom, freedom needs to be justified, capitalist freedom isnt because once your freedom prevents someone elses freedom it is not just. castro provided the country with plenty of freedom, elections never happend because he knew the cia wouuld set them up, i mean it is completely obvious, the usa even tryed framing them with a terrorrist attack(read opperation northwoods). the people of cuba have free education all through university, and free healthcare, these two freedoms arent even enjoyed by the people of the usa, even elections are ify, i mean bush did lose the popular vote. cuba also has a high avarage life span and a high litaracy rate, its people are poor, but that is because the countries economy was shattered by the usa, the embargo may officialy only prevent trade with the usa, but the usa has flexed every muscle it has to prevent other countries from trading with cuba.

[poncho]

Title 31 part 515 U.S. Code of Federal Regulations:Cuban asset control act, has provision that make it hard and expensive to trade with Europe and the rest of the world.

U.S. provisions dissallow third country shippers from delivering supplies to Cuba by barring ships from loading and unloading cargo in U.S. ports for 180 days after delivering cargo to Cuba. This includes U.S controled ports in other countries managed by a U.S. company. Many shipping company's cannot afford to wait this long so they will not send ships to Cuba unless its at a extreme price. Biggest reason for shortages in Cuba.

U.S. law prohibits third country manufacturers from re-exporting to Cuba any goods made up of 20% U.S. manufactured components.

Third country exports of goods containing as little as 10% U.S. manufactured components must receive a license from the U.S. Treasury. So much legal red tape that it is not profitable to bother for most company's.

Most of the worlds medicines and other supplies fall into the last two catagories.

[vox]

Oh, okay. It's all propaganda, huh? Okay. If you say it, it must be true, just like when Reagan Lives dismissed Blum as being a "crackpot," based upon nothing.

You right-wingers crack me up.

vox

[reagan lives]

It wasn't based on nothing.

It was based on the fact that Blum is a crackpot.

[vox]

And all of the documents he cited are the work of crackpots, too? A conspiracy of crackpots?

You tickle me. Reagan. Fact is, you did nothing to disprove a single thing Blum wrote. Nothing at all. One would think, if he's a crackpot, then it would be easy to do, but it is, apparently, beyond your ability.

The facts are on my side. On your side, well, there's dismissive name-calling. Typical of right-wingers.

vox

[poncho]

Quote: from PaulDavidHewson on 2:40 am on April 18, 2002
"Since the revolution in 1959, Cuba has travelled a long way, from the oppressed, suffering nation that it was, and has since established its own unique form of democracy. "

hmmm, indeed unique.

"Are there elections in Cuba?

Yes. There are direct elections to the Municipal, Provincial, and National Assemblies. The Cuban parliament is represented by the National Assembly. "

Castro would shoot anyone doubting him on the ground of being anti-revolutionary.



So are there elections in the Netherlands?

elections: none; the monarch is hereditary; following Second Chamber elections, the leader of the majority party or leader of a majority coalition is usually appointed prime minister by the monarch; vice prime ministers appointed by the monarch


And you criticise Cuba

[Hayduke]

Quote: from BatistaNationalista on 4:57 am on April 19, 2002
Castro propaganda, nothing but propaganda.

Everything Castro did is twice as worse as Batista. Atleast he cared, Castro is just a tyrant.


We give you facts, and you say its propaganda.
Sounds like somone who doesnt know what to say

[Hayduke]

Quote: from poncho on 12:06 pm on April 19, 2002

Quote: from PaulDavidHewson on 2:40 am on April 18, 2002
"Since the revolution in 1959, Cuba has travelled a long way, from the oppressed, suffering nation that it was, and has since established its own unique form of democracy. "

hmmm, indeed unique.

"Are there elections in Cuba?

Yes. There are direct elections to the Municipal, Provincial, and National Assemblies. The Cuban parliament is represented by the National Assembly. "

Castro would shoot anyone doubting him on the ground of being anti-revolutionary.



So are there elections in the Netherlands?

elections: none; the monarch is hereditary; following Second Chamber elections, the leader of the majority party or leader of a majority coalition is usually appointed prime minister by the monarch; vice prime ministers appointed by the monarch


And you criticise Cuba


The monarchy has nothing to say here in Holland.
The are just part of the royal family but have no power.

Yet everything is a mess right now.
The second Chamber has fallen into pieces.
And no we have this nazi Pim Fortuyn saying
Holland needs him.
This guy is a pure racist and called the Islam bullshit.

http://anarchronicon.dse.nl/nederlands/pim1klein.jpg

LET HOLLAND BE FREE AGAIN

[poncho]

Quote: from D DAY on 11:27 am on April 19, 2002

Quote: from poncho on 12:06 pm on April 19, 2002

Quote: from PaulDavidHewson on 2:40 am on April 18, 2002
"Since the revolution in 1959, Cuba has travelled a long way, from the oppressed, suffering nation that it was, and has since established its own unique form of democracy. "

hmmm, indeed unique.

"Are there elections in Cuba?

Yes. There are direct elections to the Municipal, Provincial, and National Assemblies. The Cuban parliament is represented by the National Assembly. "

Castro would shoot anyone doubting him on the ground of being anti-revolutionary.



So are there elections in the Netherlands?

elections: none; the monarch is hereditary; following Second Chamber elections, the leader of the majority party or leader of a majority coalition is usually appointed prime minister by the monarch; vice prime ministers appointed by the monarch


And you criticise Cuba


The monarchy has nothing to say here in Holland.
The are just part of the royal family but have no power.

Yet everything is a mess right now.
The second Chamber has fallen into pieces.
And no we have this nazi Pim Fortuyn saying
Holland needs him.
This guy is a pure racist and called the Islam bullshit.

http://anarchronicon.dse.nl/nederlands/pim1klein.jpg

LET HOLLAND BE FREE AGAIN

My source was the CIA fact book on the Netherlands, cross refferanced with U.N. info wich you should always trust according to someone. :)

[oconner]

how can you think that these people are terrorists? they never murdered innocent people

[PaulDavidHewson]

yes the dutch has a monarch.

The monarch has no power, one of the few powers the monarch has is it's Veto right against a law.

If the Veto is used by the monarch the law proposal goes back to the chamber to check on it and possibly alter.
Then the law-proposal goes back to the monarch again for approval. If the monarch doesn't agree again the monarch can be removed.

In reality there could just as well not be a monarch.
The monarch is a puppet. Everything the monarch says and does is orchestrated by the prime-minister and the other ministers choosen directly by the people in elections held every 4 years.

The people can vote from a dozen different parties:
(almost litterly translated):
SP (socialist party)
Groen-links(green-left)
PVDA (labourers party)
CDA(Christen democratic party)
D66(democrats 66)
VVD(people's party for freedom and democracy)
LN(livable netherlands)
SGP(state reformed party)
CU(christen union)
LPF(List Pim Fortuyn, the guy displayed above)
There are some more other parties, which are not really worth mentioning right now.

The picture displayed earlier by DDay should bnot be taken seriously and was made by anti-Fortuyn people.

It's true that he has pretty right-winged ideas, but also he is against privatising health-care and others.

The second chamber is made up of 150 people which are direct representatives from the above mentioned party. The more votes a party has the more people it has representing his party in the second chamber.
The more representatives the more power you're party has.

Currently the right-winged Pim Fortuyn will get many votes, because people feel theya ren't safe walking the streets anymore. 40% of the major cities in the netherlands are amde up from north-african immigrants.
Most of the youth of those immigrants follow a path of crime.

currently 80% of the jail capicity here in the Netherlands conists of North-African immigrants.
People feel that The Netherlands is full and not much more refugees(political and economical) should eb allowed. Pim Fortuyn is so popular because he represents directly what the people feel on the streets.

The queen/king also appoints a special person to investigate the possible parties which are willing to work togheter and thus rule the netherlands.

If people want I can try to translate the socialists party election program.

[PaulDavidHewson]

so in other words:

Ethnic groups: Dutch 91%, Moroccans, Turks, and other 9% (1999 est.)

less than 9% of the total population occupies 80% of the current jail capicity in the Netherlands.

[PaulDavidHewson]

source:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbo...ok/geos/nl.html (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html)

Netherlands Government Top of Page
Country name: conventional long form: Kingdom of the Netherlands

conventional short form: Netherlands

local long form: Koninkrijk der Nederlanden

local short form: Nederland
Government type: constitutional monarchy
Capital: Amsterdam; The Hague is the seat of government
Administrative divisions: 12 provinces (provincien, singular - provincie); Drenthe, Flevoland, Friesland, Gelderland, Groningen, Limburg, Noord-Brabant, Noord-Holland, Overijssel, Utrecht, Zeeland, Zuid-Holland
Dependent areas: Aruba, Netherlands Antilles
Independence: 1579 (from Spain)
National holiday: Queen's Day (Birthday of Queen-Mother JULIANA in 1909 and accession to the throne of her oldest daughter BEATRIX in 1980), 30 April
Constitution: adopted 1814; amended many times, last time 17 February 1983
Legal system: civil law system incorporating French penal theory; constitution does not permit judicial review of acts of the States General; accepts compulsory ICJ jurisdiction, with reservations
Suffrage: 18 years of age; universal
Executive branch: chief of state: Queen BEATRIX (since 30 April 1980); Heir Apparent WILLEM-ALEXANDER (born 27 April 1967), son of the monarch

head of government: Prime Minister Wim KOK (since 22 August 1994) and Vice Prime Ministers Annemarie JORRITSMA (since 3 August 1998) and Els BORST-EILERS (since 3 August 1998)

cabinet: Council of Ministers appointed by the monarch

elections: none; the monarch is hereditary; following Second Chamber elections, the leader of the majority party or leader of a majority coalition is usually appointed prime minister by the monarch; vice prime ministers appointed by the monarch

note: government coalition - PvdA, VVD, and D'66; there is also a Council of State composed of the monarch, heir apparent, and councilors consulted by the executive on legislative and administrative policy
Legislative branch: bicameral States General or Staten Generaal consists of the First Chamber or Eerste Kamer (75 seats; members indirectly elected by the country's 12 provincial councils for four-year terms) and the Second Chamber or Tweede Kamer (150 seats; members directly elected by popular vote to serve four-year terms)

elections: First Chamber - last held 25 May 1999 (next to be held NA May 2003); Second Chamber - last held 6 May 1998 (next to be held May 2002)

election results: First Chamber - percent of vote by party - NA%; seats by party - CDA 20, VVD 19, PvdA 15, D'66 4, other 17; Second Chamber - percent of vote by party - PvdA 30.0%, VVD 25.3%, CDA 19.3%, D'66 9.3%, other 16.1%; seats by party - PvdA 45, VVD 38, CDA 29, D'66 14, other 24
Judicial branch: Supreme Court or Hoge Raad (justices are nominated for life by the monarch)
Political parties and leaders: Christian Democratic Appeal or CDA [Jaap de Hoop SCHEFFER]; Democrats '66 or D'66 [Tom DE GRAAF]; Labor Party or PvdA [Wim KOK]; People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (Liberal) or VVD [Hans F. DIJKSTAL]; a host of minor parties
Political pressure groups and leaders: Federation of Netherlands Trade Union Movement (comprising Socialist and Catholic trade unions) and a Protestant trade union; Federation of Catholic and Protestant Employers Associations; Interchurch Peace Council or IKV; large multinational firms; the nondenominational Federation of Netherlands Enterprises
International organization participation: AfDB, AsDB, Australia Group, Benelux, BIS, CCC, CE, CERN, EAPC, EBRD, ECE, ECLAC, EIB, EMU, ESA, ESCAP, EU, FAO, G-10, IADB, IAEA, IBRD, ICAO, ICC, ICFTU, ICRM, IDA, IEA, IFAD, IFC, IFRCS, IHO, ILO, IMF, IMO, Inmarsat, Intelsat, Interpol, IOC, IOM, ISO, ITU, NAM (guest), NATO, NEA, NSG, OAS (observer), OECD, OPCW, OSCE, PCA, UN, UNCTAD, UNESCO, UNFICYP, UNHCR, UNIDO, UNITAR, UNMEE, UNMIBH, UNMIK, UNTSO, UNU, UPU, WCL, WEU, WHO, WIPO, WMO, WToO, WTrO, ZC


(Edited by PaulDavidHewson at 6:51 pm on April 19, 2002)

[Hayduke]

So mr.Bono says hes a bit right winged ?
Sicne your so good in translating translate this.......

Pim Fortuyn wil onder andere geen enkele asielzoeker meer toelaten in Nederland.
Hoewel het congres van LN heeft besloten dat er geen maximum aantal asielzoekers zal worden nagestreefd, heeft Fortuyn daarop geantwoord: "U heeft mij verkozen. U heeft echter niet gezegd dat ik daarbij mijn hersens in moet leveren." Hij houdt dus gewoon vast aan zijn eigen agenda.
Wat het congres daarvan vind, is blijkbaar niet interessant, hoewel het congres de enige is die daar over mag beslissen. En dat binnen een partij die op zegt te komen voor democratie, en tegen achterkamertjespolitiek.
*Veder wil professor Pim "een wereldwijde koude oorlog tegen de Islam als cultuur en godsdienst". (uitspraken onder andere gedaan in uitzending van Het Laatste Oor van 9-9-2001)
(Overigens: Voor degenen die hem serieus als professor zien: Dat is hij sinds 1995 al niet meer.)
*Een verslag van Diana Ozon van een feestje na een boekpresentatie, uit het tijdschrift Ravage nr.14 (2-11-2001):
(...) en voegde mij bij de nieuwe lijsttrekker van Leefbaar Nederland. Hij wilde onmiddelijk met mij naar bed: "iedereen zou dankbaar in de rij moeten staan om door mij genomen te worden."
Op mijn weigering stelde hij voor een jongere man voor mij te regelen en hij wist precies wat voor type het moest zijn: "Vrouwen willen geen lieve mannen, ze willen een bruut die ze keihard neukt." Ik probeerde hem duidelijk te maken dat vrouwen normale medemensen zijn in de maatschappij. "Onzin", zei hij, "Vrouwen kunnen geen leiding geven." (...)
Fortuyn (...) begon over zijn eigen honden. Ze zaten in de auto bij zijn chauffeur. Hij liet zijn "lakei" de hondjes halen. De chauffeur zat inmiddels al zes uur in de auto te wachten. Ik vroeg hem waarom de man niet bij ons aan tafel zat. "Vermenging en positieverwisseling zijn uit den boze. De slaven moeten ons dienen. Zo was het al in het oude Rome. Slaven mogen nooit bazen worden", legde hij uit. Dit leek mij absurd in deze tijd. "De rijken zullen altijd bazen zijn en de armen altijd slaven. De slaven mogen blij zijn dat de bazen hun leiding geven", verklaarde hij.
Ik vergeleek hem met een despoot. Pim aaide zijn hondjes en prees Adolf Hitler: "Wist je dat Hitler net als ik heel goed met honden kon omgaan?" Ik vroeg waarom hij zichzelf ineens met Hitler vergeleek.
"Hitler was geniaal, hij had alleen de foute adviseurs."
Zal hij dit soort uitspraken ook tijdens zijn verkiezingstournee gaan doen, vroeg ik. "Nee natuurlijk niet. Ik wil minister-president worden." Waarom? "Omdat ik de beste ben. Nederland heeft mij nodig."
De feestgangers (...) besloten unaniem niet op deze man te gaan stemmen. Fortuyn: "Ik zal het gemis van die paar stemmen van jullie niet eens merken. Ik hoef ze niet eens. Ik wil de stemmen van goedgelovige domme Nederlanders."
Op www.epibreren.com/rs kunt u een korter verslag lezen van een tweede ooggetuige. Klik hier voor een directe link naar dit verslag onder de kop "Suite 61".
*Naast Fortuyn is steeds duidelijker waar de partij Leefbaar Nederland voor staat. Lees bijvoorbeeld wat aanhangers van Leefbaar Naziland tot nu toe aan Anarchronicon stuurden, door hier te klikken.
*Of lees deze artikelen uit het Groninger Dagblad over één van de kandidaten van LN voor een zetel in de Tweede Kamer, de 63-jarige Arie van der Sluijs uit Onstwedde.
Van der Sluijs schreef kort geleden nog dat hij voor een "nationaal-socialistisch modern Europa" is. Verder komt hij op voor pedofilie en Bin laden. Bovendien worden 10 andere kandidaten van LN eveneens met extreem-rechts in verband gebracht. Klik hier voor het volledige artikel.
*Dan hebben we zijn uitspraken nog die hem de breuk met LN opleverde: "De Islam is een achterlijke cultuur" en zijn oproep tot afschaffen van Artikel 1 van de Grondwet (Discriminatieverbod).
Overigens is het maar de vraag of het scheiden van LN en Fortuyn niet afgesproken werk was, over achterkamertjespolitiek gesproken.
Filip de Winter, voorman van de Belgische racistische partij Vlaams Blok, feliciteerde Fortuyn met zijn uitspraken, en zei dat Fortuyn hem "rechts heeft ingehaald."



Wie nu nog durft te beweren dat Fortuyn geen racist is, moet eens ergens nieuwe hersenen gaan kopen.

http://anarchronicon.dse.nl/nederlands/2665.jpg

[PaulDavidHewson]

Ok, I shall express myself more concrete.

P. Fortuyn is right winged, I don't like him though he does adress some issues that I agree upon.
On foreign pilocy he is a racist.
I will not vote for him

In the locale elections for The Hague I voted for the Socialist party.
4 years ago in the national elections I voted PVDA(centre-left party)
And this year I will most likely choose for CDA or PVDA.

[Hayduke]

Quote: from PaulDavidHewson on 11:36 pm on April 19, 2002

P. Fortuyn is right winged, I don't like him though he does adress some issues that I agree upon.
On foreign pilocy he is a racist.
I will not vote for him


That was all I wanted to hear......

[PunkRawker677]

PaulDavidHewson is right when he says that Castro mislead the people. He did promise free elections and he did not provide..

yet..

no one can honestly believe that castro is worse than Batista - that is just ignorant..

[Hayduke]

Quote: from PunkRawker677 on 11:12 am on April 20, 2002
PaulDavidHewson is right when he says that Castro mislead the people. He did promise free elections and he did not provide..

yet..

no one can honestly believe that castro is worse than Batista - that is just ignorant..

He was better

[Zippy]

D66(democrats 66)
I'd never vote for any party that had 6's in their name.

Zippy.

[Hayduke]

http://www.sp.nl/nieuws/nwsoverz/div/d14demo.jpg

SP for me

[new democracy]

castro is little better than batista. bn, you cant deny the facts!!!