World Peace

[PaulDavidHewson]

Since I found myself hanging more and more around here I decided to register.

I used to be:
Guest 62.131.85.202 not to be confused with other guests please.

And somehow I am Communist and not Capitilist. I tend to take the best of each of them.

(Edited by PaulDavidHewson at 9:27 pm on April 16, 2002)


(Edited by PaulDavidHewson at 9:28 pm on April 16, 2002)

[liderDeFARC]

what does this have to do with your post title message?

[sabre]

sweet avatar Paul

[PaulDavidHewson]

thanks,

Paul David Hewson is the real name of Bono btw:)

[Hayduke]

Quote: from liderDeFARC on 9:06 am on April 17, 2002
what does this have to do with your post title message?



I agree youhave some explaining to do bout you saing

World peace : Castro surrenders

[poncho]

Yes explain that Castro thing....

[PaulDavidHewson]

Oh yes I forgot, there are people here who don't think Castro is a dictator and didn't violate every human right in existance.

OH yeah and pelase read beyond the first line, unless you don't want to read it, but in that case you should not comment.

alright here we go:
You can find these facts in "The Cuban Economy" a publication by the United Nations and the Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean (CEPAL) of 1997.

Cuba owes $18.3 billion dollars to Russia,(The Miami Herald 5/26/1998)
The province of Habana has 21% of the population and people from other provinces of Cuba are not allowed to cross into Havana.
The availability of public transportation decreased 70% between 1990 and 1996 .
Construction activity decreased 400% during the same period of 1990 and 1996.
Telecommunications is outdated and dates back to the 1930's and 1940's .
It is estimated that $8 billion dollars will be needed for the reconstruction of power in Cuba.
Sewer system is outdated and dates back to 1930 and 1950.
In 1959 there were 11 prisons. Today there are more than 300.
In the 1950's Cuba had 58 daily newspapers. Presently only one exists.
In the 1950's -Cuba ranked eighth in the world in number of private radio stations. Presently privatly owned radio stations are forbidden.
Cuba's infant mortality rate of 32 per 1,000 live births in 1957 was the lowest in Latin America and the 13th lowest in the world, according to UN data. Cuba ranked ahead of France, Belgium, west Germany, Israel, Japan, Austria, Italy, Spain, and Portugal, all of which would eventually pass Cuba in this indicator during the following decades.
Presently Cuba has one of the largest abortion rates in the entire world
Within Latin America, Cuba ranked second only to Venezuela in 1958 in number of automobiles per capita at 24 per 1,000. Today its transportation system is a complete disaster.
During the late 1950's, Cuba ranked second only to Uruguay in Latin America, with 169 radios per 1,000 people. (Worldwide, this put Cuba just ahead of Japan.)
In terms of television sets per capita, 1950's Cuba was far ahead of the rest of Latin America and was among the world's leaders. Cuba had 45 television sets per 1,000 inhabitants in 1957, by far the most in Latin America and fifth in the world, behind only Monaco, the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom.
During the 1950's, the Cuban people were among the most informed in the world, living in an uncharacteristically large media market for such a small country.
In 1957, Cuba had more television stations (23) than any other country in Latin America, easily outdistancing larger countries such as Mexico (12 television stations) and Venezuela (10). It also led Latin America and ranked eighth in the world in number of radio stations (160), ahead of such countries as Austria (83 radio stations), United Kingdom (62), and France (50), according to the UN statistical yearbook.

more to come, keep tuned in radio rebelda2

[PaulDavidHewson]

Why communism is bad
By James Freeman

I remember very few occasions when I was ashamed of my country. One time happened recently while I was watching a documentary about the fall of Saigon in 1975. The last of the U.S. personnel in Vietnam were ordered to abandon their allies. So our guys had to lie to the South Vietnamese in the U.S. embassy compound, tell them that more planes were on the way to save them, and then quietly slip through a hedge to board the last flight to freedom. As the plane turned while making its ascent, one U.S. soldier recalled looking down into the compound and seeing all the faces – men, women and children – looking up into the sky for the next flight that never came.

When the United States abandoned its allies in Southeast Asia, the communists created the killing fields that led even anti-war activists like Joan Baez to recoil in horror. Tragically, the millions murdered in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos were just one chapter in the bloody history of 20th century communism. In the Soviet Union, more than 20 million people were murdered in Stalin’s purges.

Millions more died during China’s Cultural Revolution. For much of the world, the history of the last 100 years is the history of communist oppression. And for us, of course, much of the 20th century was a struggle to defend the free world. From Harry Truman to John F. Kennedy to Ronald Reagan, supporting democratic governments against communist attack was the major foreign policy challenge.

But things are so good now. We feel so secure. There doesn’t seem to be anyone who could really threaten us. Communism seems pretty harmless. I think that’s why most people see the Elian Gonzalez case as a simple custody issue. Cuban dictator Fidel Castro certainly doesn’t threaten us, and he’s fairly benign compared to a Stalin or a Pol Pot. From what we can tell, Castro’s not murdering lots of his own people.

Still, it’s worth considering what kind of life Elian can expect under Castro’s regime. Many reporters treat the anti-Castro sentiment in south Florida as some kind of strange obsession among Cuban Americans. And when Elian’s relatives fight so hard to keep him here, they’re ridiculed and called unreasonable. Are they right to be unreasonable?

Let’s look at the facts. Fidel Castro has ruled Cuba since 1959, after taking power by military force. According to the State Department, "Within months of taking power, Castro moved to consolidate his power by imprisoning or executing opponents. Hundreds of thousands of Cubans fled the island. Castro declared Cuba a socialist state on April 16, 1961." In the four decades since then, Castro has not allowed a free election.

Last week, the United Nations Human Rights Commission again condemned Cuba’s human rights violations and called on the regime to allow basic freedoms. Three weeks ago, Amnesty International released a new report on Cuba’s harassment of political dissidents. According to Article 53 of the Cuban constitution, there is no freedom of speech. So, by definition, Elian’s father does not speak for himself. According to Article 62 of the Cuban constitution, there is no freedom of assembly and no freedom of association.

There is no independent judiciary. There are now people rotting in Cuban jails for the crime of "disrespect." In a recent case cited by Amnesty International, Lázaro Constantín Durán was detained for attending a political demonstration, beaten and then sentenced to three years of imprisonment for the crime of "dangerousness."

Amnesty also reported on another member of the opposition. "Milagros Cruz Cano, who is blind, was re-detained by State Security officials whilst waiting for a bus. She was initially held at the Maria Luisa police station in Havana where she was reportedly beaten by police officers which resulted in a swollen cheek and a bruise and scab below her eye. She was then transferred to Mazorra psychiatric hospital…"

Democracy activist Cecilio Monteagudo Sánchez was detained in 1997 and then sentenced in 1999 to four years in prison for writing an anti-Castro leaflet which was never printed. A journalist also drew a prison term because he knew about the draft leaflet but did not report it to authorities.

In October 1998, when Manuel Antonio González Castellanos, a reporter for the independent Cuba Press, was arrested, his family wrote anti-government slogans on the walls of their house. Amnesty explained what happened next: "Their home was reportedly surrounded by several hundred people, reportedly led by State Security agents and members of the Rapid Response Brigades, who chanted threats and abuse. Government agents then forced open the door and beat two members of the family, Yoani and Leonardo Varona, as well as a visitor at the house, Roberto Rodríguez Rodríguez."

What about regular day-to-day living? According to the State Department, per capita income in Cuba is equivalent to US$1,540 per year.

Moreover, it’s a crime to try to escape.

So Elian will have no freedom of speech or assembly, no right to a fair trial, no right to vote and no right to return to the United States.

How will the boy adjust to his return to the island nation? Cuban officials have announced that Elian and his father will be taken to live in a government compound where Elian will be re-educated.

There’s a famous picture of a teen-age Bill Clinton shaking hands with President Kennedy and it shows Clinton’s obvious admiration for JFK. I wonder what Kennedy would have done about Elian or another young escapee from communist oppression. Would Kennedy have sent Elian back to Cuba after a demand from Castro or Khruschev? If a boy’s mother had been killed during an escape from East Germany, would President Kennedy have tossed the kid back over the Berlin Wall? I think we know the answer.

More to come on radio rebelda2..

(Edited by PaulDavidHewson at 9:48 pm on April 17, 2002)

[PaulDavidHewson]

ok as A sign of my objectiveness I herby post some alleged facts relating to american warfare history.
It shows they agressively defend their interests etc etc, but also it shows instances were military intervention was productive.

Facts & Figures
For those of you who want facts and figures and have the intellect to judge 'good' from 'evil' and the courage to know and say out the truth ....

Ever since the United States Army massacred 300 Lakotas in 1890, American forces have intervened elsewhere around the globe 100 times. Indeed the United States has sent troops abroad or militarily struck other countries' territory 216 times since independence from Britain. Since 1945 the United States has intervened in more than 20 countries throughout the world.

Since World War II, the United States actually dropped bombs on 23 countries. These include: China 1945-46, Korea 1950-53, China 1950-53, Guatemala 1954, Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960, Congo 1964, Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73, Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala 1967-69, Grenada 1983, Lebanon 1984, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s, Nicaragua 1980s, Panama 1989, Iraq 1991-1999, Sudan 1998, Afghanistan 1998, and Yugoslavia 1999.

Post World War II, the United States has also assisted in over 20 different coups throughout the world, and the CIA was responsible for half a dozen assassinations of political heads of state.

The following is a comprehensive summary of the imperialist strategy of the United States over the span of the past century:

Argentina - 1890 - Troops sent to Buenos Aires to protect business interests.
Chile - 1891 - Marines sent to Chile and clashed with nationalist rebels.
Haiti - 1891 - American troops suppress a revolt by Black workers on United States-claimed Navassa Island.
Hawaii - 1893 - Navy sent to Hawaii to overthrow the independent kingdom - Hawaii annexed by the United States.
Nicaragua - 1894 - Troops occupied Bluefields, a city on the Caribbean Sea, for a month.
China - 1894-95 - Navy, Army, and Marines landed during the Sino-Japanese War.
Korea - 1894-96 - Troops kept in Seoul during the war.
Panama - 1895 - Army, Navy, and Marines landed in the port city of Corinto.
China - 1894-1900 - Troops occupied China during the Boxer Rebellion.
Philippines - 1898-1910 - Navy and Army troops landed after the Philippines fell during the Spanish-American War; 600,000 Filipinos were killed.
Cuba - 1898-1902 - Troops seized Cuba in the Spanish-American War; the United States still maintains troops at Guantanamo Bay today.
Puerto Rico - 1898 - present - Troops seized Puerto Rico in the Spanish-American War and still occupy Puerto Rico today.
Nicaragua - 1898 - Marines landed at the port of San Juan del Sur.
Samoa - 1899 - Troops landed as a result over the battle for succession to the throne.
Panama - 1901-14 - Navy supported the revolution when Panama claimed independence from Colombia. American troops have occupied the Canal Zone since 1901 when construction for the canal began.
Honduras - 1903 - Marines landed to intervene during a revolution.
Dominican Rep 1903-04 - Troops landed to protect American interests during a revolution.
Korea - 1904-05 - Marines landed during the Russo-Japanese War.
Cuba - 1906-09 - Troops landed during an election.
Nicaragua - 1907 - Troops landed and a protectorate was set up.
Honduras - 1907 - Marines landed during Honduras' war with Nicaragua.
Panama - 1908 - Marines sent in during Panama's election.
Nicaragua - 1910 - Marines landed for a second time in Bluefields and Corinto.
Honduras - 1911 - Troops sent in to protect American interests during Honduras' civil war.
China - 1911-41 - Navy and troops sent to China during continuous flare-ups.
Cuba - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests in Havana.
Panama - 1912 - Marines landed during Panama's election.
Honduras - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests.
Nicaragua - 1912-33 - Troops occupied Nicaragua and fought guerrillas during its 20-year civil war.
Mexico - 1913 - Navy evacuated Americans during revolution.
Dominican Rep 1914 - Navy fought with rebels over Santo Domingo.
Mexico - 1914-18 - Navy and troops sent in to intervene against nationalists.
Haiti - 1914-34 - Troops occupied Haiti after a revolution and occupied Haiti for 19 years.
Dominican Rep 1916-24 - Marines occupied the Dominican Republic for eight years.
Cuba - 1917-33 - Troops landed and occupied Cuba for 16 years; Cuba became an economic protectorate.
World War I - 1917-18 - Navy and Army sent to Europe to fight the Axis powers.
Russia - 1918-22 - Navy and troops sent to eastern Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution; Army made five landings.
Honduras - 1919 - Marines sent during Honduras' national elections.
Guatemala - 1920 - Troops occupied Guatemala for two weeks during a union strike.
Turkey - 1922 - Troops fought nationalists in Smyrna.
China - 1922-27 - Navy and Army troops deployed during a nationalist revolt.
Honduras - 1924-25 - Troops landed twice during a national election.
Panama - 1925 - Troops sent in to put down a general strike.
China - 1927-34 - Marines sent in and stationed for seven years throughout China.
El Salvador - 1932 - Naval warships deployed during the FMLN revolt under Marti.
World War II - 1941-45 - Military fought the Axis powers: Japan, Germany, and Italy.
Yugoslavia - 1946 - Navy deployed off the coast of Yugoslavia in response to the downing of an American plane.
Uruguay - 1947 - Bombers deployed as a show of military force.
Greece - 1947-49 - United States operations insured a victory for the far right in national "elections."
Germany - 1948 - Military deployed in response to the Berlin blockade; the Berlin airlift lasts 444 days.
Philippines - 1948-54 - The CIA directed a civil war
against the Filipino Huk revolt.
Puerto Rico - 1950 - Military helped crush an independence rebellion in Ponce.
Korean War - 1951-53 - Military sent in during the war.
Iran - 1953 - The CIA orchestrated the overthrow of democratically elected Mossadegh and restored the Shah to power.
Vietnam - 1954 - The United States offered weapons to the French in the battle against Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh.
Guatemala - 1954 - The CIA overthrew the democratically elected Arbenz and placed Colonel Armas in power.
Egypt - 1956 - Marines deployed to evacuate foreigners after Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal.
Lebanon - 1958 - Navy supported an Army occupation of Lebanon during its civil war.
Panama - 1958 - Troops landed after Panamanians demonstrations threatened the Canal Zone.
Vietnam - 1950s-75 - Vietnam War.
Cuba - 1961 - The CIA-directed Bay of Pigs invasions failed to overthrow the Castro government.
Cuba - 1962 - The Navy quarantines Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Laos - 1962 - Military occupied Laos during its civil war against the Pathet Lao guerrillas.
Panama - 1964 - Troops sent in and Panamanians shot while protesting the United States presence in the Canal Zone.
Indonesia - 1965 - The CIA orchestrated a military coup.
Dominican Rep- 1965-66 - Troops deployed during a national election.
Guatemala - 1966-67 - Green Berets sent in.
Cambodia - 1969-75 - Military sent in after the Vietnam War expanded into Cambodia.
Oman - 1970 - Marines landed to direct a possible invasion into Iran.
Laos - 1971-75 - Americans carpet-bomb the countryside during Laos' civil war.
Chile - 1973 - The CIA orchestrated a coup, killing President Allende who had been popularly elected. The CIA helped to establish a military regime under General Pinochet.
Cambodia - 1975 - Twenty-eight Americans killed in an effort to retrieve the crew of the Mayaquez, which had been seized.
Angola - 1976-92 - The CIA backed South African rebels fighting against Marxist Angola.
Iran - 1980 - Americans aborted a rescue attempt to liberate 52 hostages seized in the Teheran embassy.
Libya - 1981 - American fighters shoot down two Libyan fighters.
El Salvador - 1981-92 - The CIA, troops, and advisers aid in El Salvador's war against the FMLN.
Nicaragua - 1981-90 - The CIA and NSC directed the Contra War against the Sandinistas.
Lebanon - 1982-84 - Marines occupied Beirut during Lebanon's civil war; 241 were killed in the American barracks and Reagan "redeployed" the troops to the Mediterranean.
Honduras - 1983-89 - Troops sent in to build bases near the Honduran border.
Grenada - 1983-84 - American invasion overthrew the Maurice Bishop government.
Iran - 1984 - American fighters shot down two Iranian planes over the Persian Gulf.
Libya - 1986 - American fighters hit targets in and around the capital city of Tripoli.
Bolivia - 1986 - The Army assisted government troops on raids of cocaine areas.
Iran - 1987-88 - The United States intervened on the side of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War.
Libya - 1989 - Navy shot down two more Libyan jets.
Virgin Islands - 1989 - Troops landed during unrest among Virgin Island peoples.
Philippines - 1989 - Air Force provided air cover for government during coup.
Panama - 1989-90 - 27,000 Americans landed in overthrow of President Noriega; over 2,000 Panama civilians were killed.
Liberia - 1990 - Troops entered Liberia to evacuate foreigners during civil war.
Saudi Arabia - 1990-91 - American troops sent to Saudi Arabia, which was a staging area in the war against Iraq.
Kuwait - 1991 - Troops sent into Kuwait to turn back Saddam Hussein.
Somalia - 1992-94 - Troops occupied Somalia during civil war.
Bosnia - 1993-95 - Air Force jets bombed "no-fly zone"
during civil war in Yugoslavia.
Haiti - 1994-96 - American troops and Navy provided a blockade against Haiti's military government. The CIA restored Aristide to power.
Zaire - 1996-97 - Marines sent into Rwanda Hutus' refugee camps in the area where the Congo revolution began.
Albania - 1997 - Troops deployed during evacuation of foreigners.
Sudan - 1998 - American missiles destroyed a pharmaceutical complex where alleged nerve gas components were manufactured.
Afghanistan - 1998 - Missiles launched towards alleged Afghan terrorist training camps.
Yugoslavia - 1999 - Bombings and missile attacks carried out by the United States in conjunction with NATO in the 11 week war against Milosevic.
Iraq - 1998-2001 - Missiles launched into Baghdad and other large Iraq cities for four days. American jets enforced "no-fly zone" and continued to hit Iraqi targets since December 1998.

These **100** instances of American military intervention did not include times when the United States:
(1) deployed military police overseas;
(2) mobilized the National Guard;
(3) sent Navy ships off the coast of numerous countries as a show of strength;
(4) sent additional troops to areas where Americans were already stationed;
(5) carried out covert actions where American forces were not under the direct rule of an American command;
(6) used small hostage rescue units;
(7) used American pilots to fly foreign planes;
(8) carried out military training and advisory programs which did not involve direct combat.



U. S. Government Assassination Plots
Following is a list of prominent foreign leaders whose assassination (or planning for same) the United States has been involved in since the end of Second World War. The list does not include several assassinations in various parts of the world carried out by anti-Castro Cubans employed by CIA and headquartered in the United States:

LIST A: NON MUSLIMS
1949 - KIm Koo, Korean opposition leader
1950's - CIA/Neo-Nazi hit list of numerous political figures in West Germany
1955 - Jose' Antonio Remon, President of Panama
950's Chou En-lai, Prime Minister of China, several attempts on his life
1951 - Kim Il Sung, Premiere of North Korea
1950s (mid) - Claro M. Recto, Philippines opposition leader
1955 - Jawar Lal Nehru, Prime Minister of India
1959 and 1963 - Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia
1950s-70s - Jose Figueres, President of Costa Rica, two attempts on his life
1961 - Francois "Papa Doc"Duvalier, leader of Haiti
1961 - Patrice Lumumba , Prime Minister of Congo (Zaire)
1961 - Gen. Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic
1963 - Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam
1960s - Fidel Castro, President of Cuba, more than 15 attempts on his life
1960s - Raul Castro, high official in government of Cuba
1965 - Francisco Caamanao, Dominican Republic opposition leader
1965 - Pierre Ngendandumwe, Prime Minister of Burundi
1965-6 - Charles de Gaulle, President of France
1967 - Che Guevara, Cuban leader
1970 - Salvadore Allende, President of Chile
1970 - General Rene Schneider, Commander-in-Chief of Army, Chile
1970s and 1981 - Gen. Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama
1972 - General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Panama Intelligence
1975 - Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire
1976 - Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica
1983 - Miguel d'Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua
1984 - The nine commandantes of the Sandanista National Directorate
1980's - Dr. Gerald Bull, Canadian Ballistics Scientist assassinated by Mossad in Belgium.

LIST B: Muslim Leaders Assassinated or Attempted Assassinations
1950's Sukarno, President of Indonesia
1957 Gamal Abdul Nasser, President of Egypt
1960 Brigadier General, Abdul Karim Kassem, Leader of Iraq
1980-86 Muammar Qaddafi, Leader of Libya, several plots and attempts upon his life
1982 Ayatullah Khomeini, Leader of Iran
1983 General Ahmed Dlimi, Moroccan army Commander
1985 Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadllallah, Lebanese Shiite Leader (80 people killed in that attempt)
1991 Saddam Hussein, Leader of Iraq
Reference: Blum, William, "KILLING HOPE - U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II," Appendix III U.S. Government Assassination Plots, page 453, Common Courage Press, Monroe, Maine 1995. ISBN 1-56751-052-3

Very likely Victims :
April 4, 1979 - Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Leader of Pakistan, for pursuing making of nuclear Bomb.
August, 1988. General Ziaul Haq, Military Leader of Pakistan.
1995 - Murtaza Bhutto, Son of ZUlfiqar Ali Bhutto, Anti-American would-be Leader - Pakistan.
March 25, 1975 - King Faisal of Saudi Arabia through his Nephew, Saudi Arabia for imposing 1973 Oil Embargo.
August 24, 1999. Mullah Mohammad Omar, in Kandhar, Afghanistan.
"À"List of Known Assassination Plots 1950's Sukarno, President of Indonesia
1957 Gamal Abdul Nasser, President
2001 Since early this year more than 40 Palestinian leaders assassinated through surrogate Israel.
Law of Nature: Newton's Third Law in Physics: "For every Action, there is an equal and opposite Reaction."
Reaction: Tuesday, September 11, 2001, World Trade Center struck by two planes, and Pentagon, commandeered by 19 hi-jackers of Arab origin, killing more than 5 thousand people.

Remember not everything here is proven, but still it's not unlikely.

Stay tuned to radio rebelda2....

(Edited by PaulDavidHewson at 10:01 pm on April 17, 2002)

[PaulDavidHewson]

Please go to this URL, it's excellent:)

http://www.123cuba.com/Marx.html

[PaulDavidHewson]

Fidel Castro's own daughter calls for her father's arrest: "I'm very aware there have been thousands of victims at the hands of my father,'' Alina Fernandez Revuelta was quoted as saying in an interview published today by the daily Le Parisien

July 6, 1980. Canimar River, Matanzas.
A river boat carrying about 60 passengers was attacked by the Cuban navy. On Fidel Castro's orders, the boat was sunk. This resulted in the deaths of 45 innocent children, women, and men. As always, the Cuban communist government and its supporters try to put the blame on those trying to flee. We think the world knows better than to believe Fidel Castro and his tract record as an incredible liar.

"On July 6, 1980, Fidel Castro ordered the sinking of a riverboat that had been commandeered by a group of youngsters trying to escape. The orders were carried out with loss of dozens of
innocent lives.

The massacre of at least 45 innocent children, women and men on the "XX Aniversario" river
boat was dismissed by the Castro regime as a "thwarted illegal exit from the country." The
government's version was that the Cuban Navy's Patrol Boats had "accidentally destroyed the
`XX Aniversario' when waves forced the vessels to collide." The same version would be
repeated 14 years later after the sinking of the tugboat "13 de marzo" in which 42 children,
women and men were killed trying to escape Castro's Cuba.

This is the story of Castro's trail of crimes committed against Cubans trying to escape his tyranny.

On August 5, 1994, in a three-hour monologue graciously televised by CNN, Fidel Castro declared: "The Revolution has never told a lie." As we will demonstrate in the following pages, nothing could be further from the truth, although in Castro's big island prison, to quote
Robert Louis Stevenson: "Often the cruelest lies are told in silence."


The mass execution, without trials, of about 40 anti-Castro guerrillas captured in Cuba's Escambray Mountains in the 1960s.

The 1959 executions of 32 air force personnel who had served the former Batista regime. A judge had found them innocent, but Castro personally ordered a new trial
and acted as prosecutor.

and the list goes on.

Soon more from radio rebelda2, but for now, happy reading and hope you'll be spared during the next purge.

[PaulDavidHewson]

Oh And I'm eagerly waiting for comments by those who have posted earlier on the board questioning me about why Castro is so bad.

And don't come up with BS about the states, because I also posted that.

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I want to see things that defend Castro from all of these accusations!!!!!
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[poncho]

Quote: from PaulDavidHewson on 8:27 pm on April 17, 2002
Oh yes I forgot, there are people here who don't think Castro is a dictator and didn't violate every human right in existance.

OH yeah and pelase read beyond the first line, unless you don't want to read it, but in that case you should not comment.

alright here we go:
"You can find these facts in "The Cuban Economy" a publication by the United Nations and the Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean (CEPAL) of 1997."

Heavily biased considering it was prepared by an American. Why has only one other voted in favor of the Embargo other than the U.S.

"Cuba owes $18.3 billion dollars to Russia,(The Miami Herald 5/26/1998)"

First consider the source a heavily anti-Castro paper. Anyway even if they owed money is that a crime to borrow money;plus Russia did receive some benifit for that investment in goods and services.

"The province of Habana has 21% of the population and people from other provinces of Cuba are not allowed to cross into Havana."

This is simply not true I've know Cubans that live on the island and travelled around with them.


The availability of public transportation decreased 70% between 1990 and 1996 .
Construction activity decreased 400% during the same period of 1990 and 1996.

Yes the number of new buses and the repair of older has decreased, mainly because the worlds engine manufactuers do business in the U.S. and are scared of helms burton the Embargo etc etc To counter this all government vehicles are required to pick-up civillian passengers, plus unlike most places decent people give rides to those without cars.

Early juring the pull-out of Russia the economy has slowed but with the tourism etc etc construction is know positive and unemployemnt low.

Telecommunications is outdated and dates back to the 1930's and 1940's .

Considering most phone companies are government owned most small country's are threatned with sanctions because to provide telecommunications breaks major U.S. laws with regards to trading with the enemy. Never the less in rural areas where sophisticated phones are not really needed phone service is bad, but in cities very modern.

It is estimated that $8 billion dollars will be needed for the reconstruction of power in Cuba.

Canada is helping in this regard even to the point of providing a Nuclear Reactor America twisted and threatned Canada so we reconsidered that idea but we are still helping. Plus is California any better? Not really considering the power shortage all summer there not really an issue.

Sewer system is outdated and dates back to 1930 and 1950.

Little bit of a myth although you cannot flush toilet paper, hate putting it in the garbage pale but I know this because I've been inside Cuba. But look what happens to Canadian business people charged for trading in water purification equipment despite the fact he was in Canada and a citizen of the country, can you blame most companies for not wanting to risk helping Cuba with these needs.


"In 1959 there were 11 prisons. Today there are more than 300."

Not true yes prisons do excist but that figure is highly out of wack.

"In the 1950's Cuba had 58 daily newspapers. Presently only one exists."

Not true about only one existing. Plus in the west multiple papers are only in name, most are owned by one or two companies.

"In the 1950's -Cuba ranked eighth in the world in number of private radio stations. Presently privatly owned radio stations are forbidden."

Most country's have licensing requierment's that are very strict and regulated.

"Cuba's infant mortality rate of 32 per 1,000 live births in 1957 was the lowest in Latin America and the 13th lowest in the world, according to UN data. Cuba ranked ahead of France, Belgium, west Germany, Israel, Japan, Austria, Italy, Spain, and Portugal, all of which would eventually pass Cuba in this indicator during the following decades."

Its currently at par with America Canada and most of the free world higher than all of Latin America including Puerto Rico wich is still a common wealth of the U.S.

"Presently Cuba has one of the largest abortion rates in the entire world"

Simply a lie to get the religious right into a uproar.

"Within Latin America, Cuba ranked second only to Venezuela in 1958 in number of automobiles per capita at 24 per 1,000. Today its transportation system is a complete disaster."

Gone over this already!

"During the late 1950's, Cuba ranked second only to Uruguay in Latin America, with 169 radios per 1,000 people. (Worldwide, this put Cuba just ahead of Japan.)
In terms of television sets per capita, 1950's Cuba was far ahead of the rest of Latin America and was among the world's leaders. Cuba had 45 television sets per 1,000 inhabitants in 1957, by far the most in Latin America and fifth in the world, behind only Monaco, the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom.
During the 1950's, the Cuban people were among the most informed in the world, living in an uncharacteristically large media market for such a small country. "

In 1957, Cuba had more television stations (23) than any other country in Latin America, easily outdistancing larger countries such as Mexico (12 television stations) and Venezuela (10). It also led Latin America and ranked eighth in the world in number of radio stations (160), ahead of such countries as Austria (83 radio stations), United Kingdom (62), and France (50), according to the UN statistical yearbook.

Ever here of the Emargo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

more to come, keep tuned in radio rebelda2



Keep it coming but please less of the same issue worded differant, thanks.

[PaulDavidHewson]

I see that you keep going back to the embargo thing.
But keep in mind that all european countries are allowed to to trade freely with Cuba.

So in fact cuba could import products from Sony, Philips, etc.

Anyway, Cuba wanted to be totally independent from the USA and preferred to do business to Russia.
Why would any cuban want american products??
Che was anti America and anti USSR, so that doesn't work. Castro had to make concessions and therefor needed to USSR, but now that the USSR is gone they suddenly start to whine about the embargo???

I wouldn't give Cuba a nuclear plant either, safety reasons. Cuba is far from stable.


Anyway on to your comments:

"First consider the source a heavily anti-Castro paper. Anyway even if they owed money is that a crime to borrow money;plus Russia did receive some benifit for that investment in goods and services. "

What investments, provide proof.


"You can find these facts in "The Cuban Economy" a publication by the United Nations and the Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean (CEPAL) of 1997."

Heavily biased considering it was prepared by an American. Why has only one other voted in favor of the Embargo other than the U.S. "

Read carefully, United Nations, not USA!


"The province of Habana has 21% of the population and people from other provinces of Cuba are not allowed to cross into Havana."

This is simply not true I've know Cubans that live on the island and travelled around with them. "

Read carefully again, it doesn't say that you are not allowed to travel the island, it says that it's not allowed to travel inside the province if you are not from the province .


"Early juring the pull-out of Russia the economy has slowed but with the tourism etc etc construction is know positive and unemployemnt low. "

Quite the Capitalists aren't we?


"Canada is helping in this regard even to the point of providing a Nuclear Reactor America twisted and threatned Canada so we reconsidered that idea but we are still helping. Plus is California any better? Not really considering the power shortage all summer there not really an issue. "

Again it's quite clear, you don't give Castro a nuclear power plant like that.
Calafornia may have a power shortage, but America can fix that so that it will never happen again, can Cuba say the same?


"Sewer system is outdated and dates back to 1930 and 1950.

Little bit of a myth although you cannot flush toilet paper"

How can you claim this is a myth??? You just said it yourself that you had to put toilet paper in the garbage else the everything will get stuck.


"In 1959 there were 11 prisons. Today there are more than 300."

Not true yes prisons do excist but that figure is highly out of wack. "

That figure is pretty accurate, you think America doesn't have satelite photo's of cuba?? They know the capicities of their prisons and all.


"In the 1950's Cuba had 58 daily newspapers. Presently only one exists."

Not true about only one existing"

How many daily newspapers does Cuba have? not the world outside of Cuba, but the daily newspapers cuba has itself.


"In the 1950's -Cuba ranked eighth in the world in number of private radio stations. Presently privatly owned radio stations are forbidden."

Most country's have licensing requierment's that are very strict and regulated. "

This is beyond strict my friend, Radio stations are forbidden not just very strictly regulated.


"Presently Cuba has one of the largest abortion rates in the entire world"

Simply a lie to get the religious right into a uproar. "

Can you please deny this figure with some more convincing material?

[poncho]

Go to Cuba do your own research and not some Miami dissident websites. Ever here there are two sides to every story.

99% of your last couple of posts are complete bull-shit designed to get the American people in an uproar, wich is easy because they hate it when things sound un-American=Evil that must be destroyed.

The mere fact that you dissregaurd the revelance of the embargo and its strangling impact on Cuba and its relations socially and economicaly with the rest of the world, shows you know nothing of the subject.

Castro's daughter is either not really or has a chip up her ass and has discovered she can be paid really well by Miami traitor criminals terrorist to spread lie's.

The boat was stolen or again twisted to make it look bad for both Castro and the government. Again get the support of the american people at any cost.

Recently released under the Freedom of Information act CIA documents stated one plan: They where going to fake a commercial airliner crash off the coast of Cuba and say Castro shot it down. The reason the plan was not implemented was that the victims would have to have family's at home the operation therefore was to risky in terms of getting caught; too many conspirators etc etc. This would piss off Americans and they would demand an invasion of Cuba!!!!

I kinda have to wonder about the incidents you speak of.

Your friend, what does having rich parents have to do with it? He has rich parents so his opinion has more weight; over someone like me who must be poor to defend a communist nation......



(Edited by poncho at 11:16 pm on April 17, 2002)

[PaulDavidHewson]

I tried to point out that his parents are wealty and therefor he could afford the trip to Cuba, it had nothing to do with opinion. It was merely something to sketch to context, he wasn't there for social reasons.

You are so full of bullshit.
You claim that everything anyone writes about cuba is immediatelt designed to undermine the hierachy in Cuba.
You have become paranoid and your objectiveness is gone. You would make a wonderful CDR or KGB member.

"recently released under the Freedom of Information act CIA documents stated one plan: They where going to fake a commercial airliner crash off the coast of Cuba and say Castro shot it down. "

Where is your proof!!!! DO you honestly believe anyone is gonna swallow your castro propoganda???
Not even your commrades on this site are defending you on this.

You constantly claim that every document released about cuba is anti-castro designed. Cuba faces extreme poverty, people can just make ends meet and you claim they are doing wonderful. But still you need the Embargo lifted?
Please, I only ask one thing, one thing only.
I will say it again so that you cannot accidently read over this, I ask one thing from you:

If Cuba is doing so great, why do they need the Embargo lifted??????????

And since when are political refugees criminals and terrorists????

[PaulDavidHewson]

I agree with you that the embargo should be lifted, after all the people of Cuba are suffering.
While Castro is in his palace eating the finest food and being served to his wishes his people are decaying into nothingness.

But if the embargo is to be lifted Castro will have to do some heavy concessions like allowing an independent institute to investigate various matters.

What confuses me though is why there aren't free elections?
If the people in Cuba love him so much, surely he would be re-elected?

I must tell you that I admire Castro for his ideas he had when he was younger. He was completely right to have a revolution and free Cuba from big international cooperations.
However, when he finally got to power he started messing up, all of his promises and ideas went straight out the window after he realised it's a bit difficult to realise them.
Free-elections would have made him immortal, second Jose Marti instead of a Tiran.

If you think i'm mistaken on this matter please let me know.

[poncho]

Quote: from PaulDavidHewson on 11:55 pm on April 17, 2002
"I tried to point out that his parents are wealty and therefor he could afford the trip to Cuba, it had nothing to do with opinion. It was merely something to sketch to context, he wasn't there for social reasons."

Oh to make it more believable because only wealthy people can travel

"You are so full of bullshit.
You claim that everything anyone writes about cuba is immediatelt designed to undermine the hierachy in Cuba.
You have become paranoid and your objectiveness is gone. You would make a wonderful CDR or KGB member."

Nope, just most of it from Miami.



"recently released under the Freedom of Information act CIA documents stated one plan: They where going to fake a commercial airliner crash off the coast of Cuba and say Castro shot it down. "

Where is your proof!!!! DO you honestly believe anyone is gonna swallow your castro propoganda???
Not even your commrades on this site are defending you on this."

Assissanation and terrorist acts and CIA plots have been admitted and well documented by both the U.S. government and the Miami criminals. What closet did you just crawl out of.


You constantly claim that every document released about cuba is anti-castro designed. Cuba faces extreme poverty, people can just make ends meet and you claim they are doing wonderful. But still you need the Embargo lifted?
Please, I only ask one thing, one thing only.
I will say it again so that you cannot accidently read over this, I ask one thing from you:

If Cuba is doing so great, why do they need the Embargo lifted??????????

If you do not realize the full scope of the embargo and laws such as the Torcelli Act, Helms Burton and the negative effects than you do not have enough information to make a solid opinion on this.

The Cuban people are suffering and its largely due to the embargo. But the suffering is not as bad as the American media, anti-Castro groups make out.


And since when are political refugees criminals and terrorists????

The political refugee's anti-Castro crowd has committed so many terrorist acts and assassination attempts on Castro, that even the U.S. mainstream media has reported it.

Search:Orlando Bosch

[poncho]

Interesting that you choose Bono's real name, considering his close ties to Senator Jesse Helms. Know that a conspiracy theory!

[PaulDavidHewson]

"Oh to make it more believable because only wealthy people can travel "

I never denied this, yes wealthy people can travel more easily than less wealthier people. They worked for it and probably earned it. They specilise in a hard profession. After 10 years of university and then building up a career it's not strange that they earn a little more than a garbage collector.

"Assissanation and terrorist acts and CIA plots have been admitted and well documented by both the U.S. government and the Miami criminals. What closet did you just crawl out of. "

I never denied this, yes it's true they attempted assasinations. But you provide no proof for your claim that they where going to fake a commercial airliner crash off the coast of Cuba and say Castro shot it down


I do realise the embargo is/has ruined Cuba, but it's not completely starnge they got that embargo.
Also Cuba having nuclear missile silo's donated from the russians back then ddin't help either did it?

You should realy start to provide some proof that sustain your claims, How can we debate if you constantly say:" no that's anti-propoganda fascist bullshit"

Direct me to a link or a book or whatever where I can read up about what you are saying.
I'm not as gullible as you might think, I don't believe everything the media says, but I do believe united nations documents and so should you.

[PaulDavidHewson]

oh, and now you think it's wrong that Bono and Helms are trying their best to tackle the African Aids problem??


"U2's Bono has made some unusual new friends in his ongoing quest to secure debt relief for Third World nations.

Chief among them, perhaps, is Senator Jesse Helms of North Carolina, who attended U2's concert Thursday night in Washington, D.C., at Bono's invitation, according to Helms' scheduler, Anne Chitwood. It was Helms' first rock concert, and the Republican senator told Raleigh, North Carolina's The News & Observer that he enjoyed it, more or less.

"It was the noisiest thing I ever heard," Helms told the newspaper. "I turned my hearing aids all the way down and kept my hands over my ears much of the time." But Helms rhapsodized over how the crowd moved "back and forth like corn in the breeze," and praised Bono for his endurance.

On the day of the concert, the U.S. Senate passed a Helms-sponsored amendment that pulls federal funding from schools that don't allow Boy Scouts activities on their property in protest of the Scouts' ban on gay members.

A spokesperson at U2's label did not return a call requesting comment from Bono on the Boy Scouts amendment and on Helms' history of opposing gay rights.

In September, though, Bono told The News & Observer, "I couldn't disagree more with Senator Helms on some issues. But I know he's a tough guy on a lot of things, and I don't need softies for friends on [the Third World debt issue]." Bono also discussed debt relief Wednesday with Helms and several other senators at a lunch meeting (see "Bono Says Debt-Relief Campaign's Victories Not Enough"), and had a private dinner with Helms and his wife Wednesday night, according to Helms' scheduler."