For the Reds: News Flash!

[Falange]

Che is DEAD.

Shot dead by Bolivian soldiers, trained, equipped and guided by U.S. Green Beret and CIA operatives.

But you can still pick up a Che T-shirt at the Che Lives! store. Talk about capitalism!

[Guest]

hmm yeah, how come T-shirts are being sold at these prices anyway??

Let's be fair, if we look at the manufacturing costs, etc, etc I really think the price would be lower.

[liderDeFARC]

Look Falange (aka fagget. ) this is a world where everything, EVERYTHING costs money! Havent you noticed by now? Maybe if the world was different we wouldnt have to pay and Malte wouldnt need to pay, and we could get free shirts!!!!

Do you think he shits money and so has so much and can give all his comrades free shirts????

Thought so... better keep quite

[Guest]

ohhh, but still I have a short question:

1. What is that Paypall icon doing on the welcomming page???????????????????
2. check out the link page and tell me what is wrong with the hosts being displayed there in some of the Che fansites.

[Guest]

linDEFARC are you homophobic? calling a member a faggot gee that is really intelligent.
In response to the thread topic do you guys honeslty think Che Guevara would approve of having his name sold on cheap merchandise for money?? Come on that is besmirching and exploiting his name.

[Angie]

Must be getting desperate if this is the best the Cappies can do. Three of them all at once, it's like an ambush, only it's on the most pathetic topic. Quite funny, actually, it's certainly made me laugh. :)

[Guest]

Sorry Angie maybe we, (cappies??) will take your lead which is to not respond to the topic and simply brush it aside most probably because you have no rebuttal for it. Slapping Che's face on mugs and t-shirts and selling them for individual profit is not something i condone. I don't also appreciate your pathetic post which was a bad attempt to ridicule this thread because you with such brain capacity and intelligence do not feel the ned to stoop so low and answer it.
Already in this thread we have come across somebody who is homophobic and somebody else who is super-cilious.

[RedCeltic]

The money goes to pay for the expence of this board. It's a way to get more people to contribute and take the burden of paying for the lot off Malte. It was put up in order to get the adverts off this site.

(Edited by RedCeltic at 1:27 am on April 14, 2002)

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from Falange on 3:34 am on April 14, 2002
Che is DEAD.

Shot dead by Bolivian soldiers, trained, equipped and guided by U.S. Green Beret and CIA operatives.

But you can still pick up a Che T-shirt at the Che Lives! store. Talk about capitalism!

I completely agree with what you are saying. It is so hypocritical and all around disgusting the way Che has been marketed since his death.

If there is a Hell, it would surely be Che's Hell to see all this happening.

[antitrot]

Anyone who calls themselves "Falange" is two things.

1) 12
2) Not worth my time.

[Angie]

Quote: from Guest on 5:21 pm on April 14, 2002
Sorry Angie maybe we, (cappies??) will take your lead which is to not respond to the topic and simply brush it aside most probably because you have no rebuttal for it. Slapping Che's face on mugs and t-shirts and selling them for individual profit is not something i condone. I don't also appreciate your pathetic post which was a bad attempt to ridicule this thread because you with such brain capacity and intelligence do not feel the ned to stoop so low and answer it.
Already in this thread we have come across somebody who is homophobic and somebody else who is super-cilious.Oh sorry, darling. I didn't realise that threads were made so that people could only respond to exactly what the initial post was about, and nothing else. Please excuse my below-average intelligence, I'm blonde by nature you see.

You don't "appreciate" my post that was made to lower a pathetic thread more than it already is? Poor dear, what else did you expect? An applause and a bunch of roses? Frankly, I don't care whether you appreciate it or not, and from the prim-and-proper response of your post to me, I don't care much for you in general. This is a forum of socialists, remember. You're the outsider, not me. The moment you have a problem with that, you can kiss my lily-white arse.

For the record, I don't feel that Che's image on a t-shirt or anywhere else for that matter, is a decent idea, either. I didn't bother giving a decent response to the thread, not because I'm supposedly housing a below-average intelligence which most certainly is not the case, but rather because I don't feel that it deserves one. I think this thread quickely became a lowly excuse to pick a fight with a group of people who those like yourself do not agree with, and therefore is a thread that was to go down the minute it was made. I merely helped it down by showing it up. Considerate, aren't I?

You're not off to a good start, so by your own example of superciliousness, hop on your bike and leave us.

[oconner]

che is not dead and this site is proof of that.

[honest intellectual]

Che lives in on all of us.
As for the, T-shirts, it's a way of spreading the spirit of Che

[liderDeFARC]

Quote: from Guest on 11:12 am on April 14, 2002
linDEFARC are you homophobic? calling a member a faggot gee that is really intelligent.


And you must be illiterate. liderDeFARC is not LindeFARC. Well im not good with comebacks, the only time i use that word the most is in this site, guess in which part? im not homophobic that is wrong. but falange and faggot, close enough for me. thanks for defending falange im sure they appreciate it! and che on the shirt ive heard this fight before..... lets not start it.
Again

[RedRevolutionary87]

first off all you do whatever is needed to suport the movement! che would be honoured that his face alone can suport our move ment, dont you dare comment on what che would think, im shure the first thing he would do is put a bullet between your eyes! you are a trator to the people ! we are forced to exploit because of the society we live in, maybe you cappie shits could let us change something and you will see just how qiuckly thees shirts could be free, your system forces us to exploit the face of our hero so our children wont have to

think before you speak!

untill victory!

[liderDeFARC]

RedRevolutionary87 who were you directing that to?

[Guest]

"your system forces us to exploit the face of our hero," boo hoo, it's called personal responsibility, take it up.

augusto sandino

[liderDeFARC]

why didnt you just go on your member name? Yea im talking to you..

[Guest]

>che would be honoured that his face alone can suport
>our move ment, dont you dare comment on what che
>would think, im shure the first thing he would do is put
>a bullet between your eyes!

You are truly pathethic, Why the fuck would Che shoot all the people that don't agree with him????

If you think that is the spirit of Che than you are sooo mistaken and a disgrace to everything socialisme holds dearly.

Che has become a worldwide symbol of freedom from oppresion and not only Cappie oppresion, but all sorts of oppresion.

[Moskitto]

"Faggot" doesn't mean homosexual anyway, It's a meat snack and calling someone a meat snack is not homophobic.

[Nateddi]

In the US, faggot is a very homophobic slang.

[liderDeFARC]

Quote: from Moskitto on 1:19 am on April 16, 2002
"Faggot" doesn't mean homosexual anyway, It's a meat snack and calling someone a meat snack is not homophobic.


Yes that is true Moskitto :) Thanks.

well as you can see earlier i wrote fagget ( which isnt even spelled write) according to what you are talking about and it looked close enough to me like falange, have i not said that before, (i apologize i never meant it to offend anybody, if anybody took it offensively) if the name was *shermancappie*(i have picked a random name not directed to anybody named sherman) id say shithead..... this is how i express myself when im in a bad mood and i read things of people who arent analysing situations correctly.

[RedRevolutionary87]

listen che was a devoted communist, and we communists believe in "the digging the graves of our masters" as marx said and che would have done the same, as a capitalist you are claiming to be a master over the people and hence you are our enemy, and enemys are not to be given mercy!

[Guest]

Quote: from liderDeFARC on 10:37 pm on April 15, 2002

Quote: from Moskitto on 1:19 am on April 16, 2002
"Faggot" doesn't mean homosexual anyway, It's a meat snack and calling someone a meat snack is not homophobic.


So because his name sounded like faggot(?????) you called him that? Are you saying you are not implying he is homosexual in a contemptuous tone? Come on why lie, this happened before with irishguevara32 when he abused FC and called him a faggot yet you communists who claim freedom of expression and people's liberties etc and defending people who are abusing others for their sexual preference. Hypocritical. If you call someone a faggot why not own up to it instead of beating around the bush. It is very childish, and calling someone that is inane, discriminatory and wrong. It is cowardly to deny it and make up silly stories attempting to absolve you.
Yes that is true Moskitto :) Thanks.

well as you can see earlier i wrote fagget ( which isnt even spelled write) according to what you are talking about and it looked close enough to me like falange, have i not said that before, (i apologize i never meant it to offend anybody, if anybody took it offensively) if the name was *shermancappie*(i have picked a random name not directed to anybody named sherman) id say shithead..... this is how i express myself when im in a bad mood and i read things of people who arent analysing situations correctly.

[RedCeltic]

"Faggot" is a bundle of sticks... however, used in the context of a personal insult it always takes on the meaning of homosexual and not anything else.

[Guest]

RedRevolutionary87, you are really pathetic.

You mean to say it's Marx his way to destroy all those who "may" oppose???

I think you are mistaken and ar referring to Stallinisme, Maoisme and "castroisme".

I agree that Che is a symbol of freedom movements everywhere, but if people truly knew that he would destroy everyone who would even think of opposing the cause then people would think twice.

Be glad that Che didn't turn out to be a second Arafat, because that would have surely happened if he still lived.

[RedRevolutionary87]

ok no it is you who is pathetic clearly you dont kno a single thing about marxism! we believe that it is ok to kill the one who is oppressing you simple because he would do the same if you opposed, stalinism is overkilling simply on acount of suspision, however if you are the owner of a company with workers, there is only one way to make profit and that is by exploiting those workers, that makes you my enemy, there is no uncertanty wether or not you exploit those workers, if you didnt exploit them you wouldnt be able have a working company in this system...

please dont try and tell me what marxism is before you understand it yourself!

[RedRevolutionary87]

and there is no such thing as castroism castro is a mix between a maoist and a leninist, castro didnt do anything new so therefore being a mix duznt give you your own ism

[Moskitto]

So because his name sounded like faggot(?????) you called him that? Are you saying you are not implying he is homosexual in a contemptuous tone? Come on why lie, this happened before with irishguevara32 when he abused FC and called him a faggot yet you communists who claim freedom of expression and people's liberties etc and defending people who are abusing others for their sexual preference. Hypocritical. If you call someone a faggot why not own up to it instead of beating around the bush. It is very childish, and calling someone that is inane, discriminatory and wrong. It is cowardly to deny it and make up silly stories attempting to absolve you.

I didn't call him/her a "faggot", That was LiderDeFARC. I said that a faggot doesn't actually mean homosexual because it's a meat snack not anything else.

[PaulDavidHewson]

Cuba = Stallisme, stop fooling yourself. It's as simple as that.

Anyway, how can you agree with murdering son of a *****es like that???
Your views are very twisted if you find it acceptable for a govermental institute to execute everyone who doesn't agree.

Ok, let's say that person1 is living in Cuba .
-person 1 is pro-castro.
-person2 is the father of person1 and they love each other very much.
-person 2 is anti-castro and gets executed(this happens/happened a lot in Cuba and USSR, Che was of course very pro-executions)
-Person1 doesn't want his father to get executed and is suddenly not so pro castro anymore.
-Person2 is executed
-person1 is angry and starts to protest
-person1 also gets executed
-person3 is angry about his comrade being executed along with person 4-1000.

Do you see the endless cycle of death here?
And ontop of that, complete socialisme is an utopia which can never be realised in the way marx, lenin and all those other lunnies wanted.

[PaulDavidHewson]

and how do I remove companero under my name????


(Edited by PaulDavidHewson at 12:09 am on April 17, 2002)

[liderDeFARC]

" guest" do you just want me to remove those words from the first post? whatever you think it meant, fine... why doesnt falange defend himself if he took it offensively, it seems its getting you more angry than him.

[Falange]

#1 "fagget!" nice retort! How long did it take you to come up with THAT one? You commies always reveal yourselves for the hypocritical swine you are.

#2 Anitrot took just enough time to respond that he would waste his time responding, love the irony.

#3 Che is in hell.

#4 keep pushing those T-shirts you state capitalists you!

[RedRevolutionary87]

ok listen, its not a government its the entire proletariat, you have old fashioned political views which are now obsolete think beond the everyday governmt...oh wait im sorry you cappies are incapable of that

[Angie]

and how do I remove companero under my name????It's the default title for anyone who's registered, but has less than 50 posts. Build your post count up to pass 50, and it'll change automatically to Guerrillero.

:)

[PaulDavidHewson]

I actually meant:

The user named Capitalist doesn't have that title under his name, obviously because he is capitalist.
How do you remove that title like he did.

[RedRevolutionary87]

you act like a dumb cappie, it would be alot better if you just left

[PaulDavidHewson]

alright I'll leave it, just in case I decide to become commie or get re-educated.

[RedRevolutionary87]

hmmm you have potential

[liderDeFARC]

Quote: from Falange on 8:13 am on April 17, 2002
#1 "fagget!" nice retort! How long did it take you to come up with THAT one? You commies always reveal yourselves for the hypocritical swine you are.

It took me a looooong time for your information! And i wouldnt be talking if i were you!!! calling US hypocritical swines..... Dont go off calling people things you are much worse.

[PaulDavidHewson]

it's a bit sad that this debate degraded to a state of name-calling and mud slinging.

[El Brujo]

Hmmmm. "Falange" eh? Nice name. Kind of like the FASCIST PRO-HITLER BASTARDS that fucked Spain over for 40 years and restored the stupid-ass, "Holier Than Thou", monarchy.

[PaulDavidHewson]

1. Falange Falangefälän´ha[Span.,phalanx], Spanish political party, founded in 1933 as Falange Española by José António Primo de Rivera, son of the former Spanish dictator. Professing generally the principles of fascism, the Falange distinguished itself from other fascist groups by its great emphasis on national tradition, parti...
(source: http://www.encyclopedia.com/searchpool.asp...ITLE%20Falange) (http://www.encyclopedia.com/[email protected]%20Falange))


I'm disgusted.

[Solzhenitsyn]

compromise,conformity, assimilation, submission, ignorance, hypocricy, brutality, the elite... All of which are American dreams.

If that's true, then you seem to be living the American dream quite nicely.

[El Brujo]

Quote: from Solzhenitsyn on 9:15 am on April 18, 2002
compromise,conformity, assimilation, submission, ignorance, hypocricy, brutality, the elite... All of which are American dreams.

If that's true, then you seem to be living the American dream quite nicely.

And how is that? You prove absolutely nothing.

[RedRevolutionary87]

a) communism is not an elite
B) communists arent ignorant, they are aware of their situation and suroundings.

also one thing you capitalists dont understand is that freedom is limmited by the amount of it you can have without imposing on someone elses freedom, communism is the highest amount of just freedom anyone can have.

[PaulDavidHewson]

"Under socialism a ruling class of intellectuals, bureaucrats and social planners decide what people want or what is good for society and then use the coercive power of the State to regulate, tax, and redistribute the wealth of those who work for a living."

Sounds pretty elite to me, wouldn't you say so?

[RedRevolutionary87]

whoever said that is dumb. the ruling class are the common people, they are dictated to by a government that they controll, all communism does is set boundries so one persons freedom doesnt become another persons misery

[RedCeltic]

PaulDavidHewson:

That's Vanguardism your thinking of.

(Edited by RedCeltic at 10:21 pm on April 17, 2002)

[RedRevolutionary87]

i vanguard is needed for the revolution tho, not the one he discribed bad a vanguard that will awaken the workers, yet do as the people wish

[PaulDavidHewson]

They are dictated by a goverment they control?

Maybe in Theory, but in reality this has never happened.

Anyway, a lot of the greatest (recent) achievenemts of man have been made because someone was looking for a hole in the market.
Under communisme this would not work, because there is no market.

[PaulDavidHewson]

I was quoting from a pretty decent paper wich Solzhenitsyn pointed out in a different thread.
However in my opinion the wrong conclusion is drawn and I don't agree with everything, especially about taxes being immoral amongst others.

http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/onprin/v1...3/thompson.html (http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/onprin/v1n3/thompson.html)

[RedRevolutionary87]

these achievements were made by the exploition of labour. it can work, its called free election, no apointed government officials, no standing army, no currency, but strict regulated law enforcement made up of a peoples militia. corruption is reduced to almost nothing by making a politician get the same amount of benifits as everyone else, all types of jobs require the same amount of education, the government cant force people through fear because of the lack of an army, nor can it bribe people because of the lack of currency. if in some way the government does corrupt, the people can vote out the head of the state and replace them, if they refuse to leave the armed popules can get rid of him/her.

the result is a government that does dictate to the people, but is also a puppet of the people.

please try and find a flaw in this theory.

[PaulDavidHewson]

I don't have the time right now, but I spotted a few, I'll come back at it tommorow.

[PaulDavidHewson]

"corruption is reduced to almost nothing by making a politician get the same amount of benifits as everyone else"

Everyone has their price, there is always someone out there who wants more than the other. I know I would and I could name a dozen others.

", all types of jobs require the same amount of education"

So, the time it takes to teach carpentry is the same amount of time it takes to teach someone how to be a surgeon. Not possible.

"nor can it bribe people because of the lack of currency"

If there is no currency you assume the country is self-sustaining. what if here is a bad harvest the comming 5 years? You have no currency so you cannot import grain from the international community and such. This goes for a lot of resources.

I agree with you that communisme could work if executed properly with a humane leader and such, But I refuse to believe that it can work on a large population.

[RedRevolutionary87]

ok first of all that wasnt the only means of reducing corruption, i listed more which all together almost eliminate corruption, there is no way to get more than someone else because one take every product produced and spilits it equaly amongst the population, and yes it is possible to have a surgent and a carpenter do the same amount of schooling, the carpenter would just have a different type of schooling, as a result you will have the damn best of every profession, one can still import/export this state might need oil, and the country that has oil might need a commodity you produce, currency isnt needed at all. also if any sort of corruption does occur the people have the means to easly correct it, there is nothing to stop them. also communism is suposed to work on a global level, so untill global communism is achieved it is simply a transitional phase, but the system i mentioned works perfectly both global and single state communism

[PaulDavidHewson]

How do you know if it works perfectly?

It has never been proven in reality, and that is what counts.

Cummunisme is true in theory, but flawed in reality
Capitalisme is flawed in theory, but true in reality.
Anyway, I don't agree with capitalisme, nor communisme.
they both represent extremes and a mixture of both is best IMHO.

[RedRevolutionary87]

lol ah yes the defete arghument, capitalism is flawed in practice too, if it wasnt there wouldnt be poor capitalist countries, yet some of the poorest nations in the world are capitalist. communism was never given a chance to to be tried in practice. ever hear of the paris commune? ya it was one of the most perfect societies in the world, guess what happend? right, the french conservatives murdered them in cold blood. the right has always been hunting communism down like witchs. they are afraid to loose their power thats it!