A pluralistic socialistic forum in Spanish?

[Stephen唐士明]

Hi!

Although I am courteous and try to base my arguments on logic, I have not been able to find a pluralistic socialist forum in Spanish. I have been banned from the Venezuelan forum aporrea for posting a link to a democratic Cuban forum; I was just banned from Rash Madrid for reposting what I have already posted in the Spanish section of Revleft.

Forums in Cuba are a joke - premoderation of all posts leads to the intellectual castration (no pun intended) of such sites.

If you know of a socialist forum in Spanish which for allows freedom of speech (I support bourgeois democracy), I would be thankful for this information. It would quite useful if this forum had vBulletin software so that I can ignore trolls.

Thanks,

Stephen

P.S. If you want to know why I am "restricted", please look for my post "Honesty is the best policy" in the Revleft member's forum.

[RedStarOverChina]

I'd love to debate with you in either English or Chinese, since I think you are quite "genuine"--If you are still interested, that is.

Maybe the mods should allow him to post in the Chinese forum--There aren't any discussions there right now anyway.


Otherwise, we can still debate privately via PM.

[Stephen唐士明]

I'd love to debate with you in either English or Chinese, since I think you are quite "genuine"--If you are still interested, that is.

Maybe the mods should allow him to post in the Chinese forum--There aren't any discussions there right now anyway.

Otherwise, we can still debate privately via PM.

I would be delighted to post with you in Chinese - I have spent so much time on my French that my Chinese is getting rusty. However, it is intellectually more productive to do this in public.

[Stephen唐士明]

To Bugsy:

(From the German section of revleft - where I am no longer allowed to post).


Ich beobachte schon seit geraumer Zeit diesen Faden, immer mit der Hoffnung, dass jemand auf deine Posting reagiert. Aber bis anhin hat sich nichts getan. Das liegt daran, glaube ich, dass du mit dieser überheblichen Art als ziemlich arrogant rüber kommst.

There is a logical error in what you have written here. You are using an unproven postulate (that I am arrogant) to "prove" that this is the reason why no one has previously answered me in the German section. If you had read the Spanish or Chinese sections, you would have noticed that a number of people have replied to me. (The Chinese thread was developing into a productive discussion before I was restricted to the section for "reactionaries".)

Finally, as I have stated to the Nazis in Thiazi, it is irrelevant whether you perceive me to arrogant or not - the point is whether I have good arguments. If I have poor arguments, please rip me a new asshole. This way I can learn new things at the maximum speed possible.


Außerdem, wenn du der Meinung bist, dass Sozialismus nicht die beste Möglichkeit ist, den meisten Menschen das zu bieten, was ihnen in einer Gesellschaft zustehen müsste, sondern die Ansicht vertrittst, dass Kapitalismus eben doch zur Lösung aller gesellschaftlichen Fragen eingesetzt werden kann, so hast du hier in diesem Forum glaube ich nichts verloren.

I am not 100% against socialism - just the despotic variations of this ideology.


Leg dich doch lieber mit den Nazis wieder an. Da bist du anscheinend gut aufgehoben.

Actually, I am quite frightened of the Nazis in Thiazi. However, I will keep this as a backup in case Mejliss is closed. Why? Despite the evilness of that forum (Thiazi, not Mejliss), they have a high level of pluralism. The only equivalent socialist forum I know of is leftwing.hk-dn , but they may have been closed down by the Leninists in Mainland China for having too much freedom in their discussions. Or maybe nobody in Hong Kong was interested in Marxism.

Best Wishes,

Stephen

P.S. From the Revleft member's forum :


Honesty is the best policy.

To the administrators:

I have a problem. According to the norms of this forum, I should be classified as a "reactionary" or a "counterrevolutionary". (Nothing serious: I am no fascist or such garbage - I am simply a supporter of bourgeois democracy.) Under normal circumstances, this would be no problem - I would simply start to post in your Opposing Ideologies forum.

However, I am quite interested in continuing in the International Language Discussion Forum. There are four subforums that I would like to participate in: German, French, Spanish and Chinese. If the moderators allow this AND I stay strictly out of all English language forums, would it be possible for me to continue broadening my intellectual horizons? For one sees different aspects of reality when reading and writing in a foreign language - and it is much more effective use of time.

Respectfully yours,

Stephen唐士明



I'm afraid that's totally out of the question -- the language forums are for revolutionary leftist discussion, just as the rest of the board is -- bar Opposing Ideologies and Religion. In fact, for some of our members they are the only avenue for that (due to weak English skills) and they can't be expected to put up with capitalism supporters.

So, I'm afraid you will have to settle for reading those forums after your restriction, which is underway.

Respectfully,

Sentinel

[Herman]

Hi!

Although I am courteous and try to base my arguments on logic, I have not been able to find a pluralistic socialist forum in Spanish. I have been banned from the Venezuelan forum aporrea for posting a link to a democratic Cuban forum; I was just banned from Rash Madrid for reposting what I have already posted in the Spanish section of Revleft.

Forums in Cuba are a joke - premoderation of all posts leads to the intellectual castration (no pun intended) of such sites.

If you know of a socialist forum in Spanish which for allows freedom of speech (I support bourgeois democracy), I would be thankful for this information. It would quite useful if this forum had vBulletin software so that I can ignore trolls.

Thanks,

Stephen

P.S. If you want to know why I am "restricted", please look for my post "Honesty is the best policy" in the Revleft member's forum.

Try here: http://www.redprogresista.net/foro/

[Stephen唐士明]

Try here: redprogresista

Looks good. But without vBulletin software, I can't ignore trolls and "illiterates".

I have two purposes in going to foreign language forums - intellectually interesting discussions (learn from one's ideological enemies) and linguistic improvement.

Thanks,

Stephen

P.S. If worse comes to worse and there are no Spanish language socialist forums with Jelsoft software, webislam will be reopening this spring. They have adopted the extremely pluralistic policies of Mejliss (and will adopt vBulletin software), so discussions should be interesting.


Normas del foro (webislam)


Los foros están moderados es decir que uno o varios moderadores se encargan de que los participantes respeten las siguientes reglas de comportamiento:
1. Están prohibidos los comentarios que no respeten la ley: incitación al odio racial, llamamiento a la violencia, difamación.
2. Están prohibidos los comentarios con tono agresivo o violento.
3. También están prohibidos los comentarios pornográficos, pedófilos, así como obscenidades y tono vulgar.
4. No se acepta la saturación ni el acoso mediante la repetición de mensajes idénticos o muy parecidos. Los representantes de partidos políticos o de asociaciones pueden enviar mensajes, pero con moderación. La función de los moderadores es evitar un control ideológico de los foros, especialmente en el caso de que un grupo mayoritario desviara el objetivo de los mismos con fines de adoctrinamiento.
5. No se toleran los insultos personales entre participantes. Se pueden criticar los argumentos pero no a las personas.
6. No se aceptan los "juicios" de uno o varios participantes contra otro.
7. No se aceptan las especulaciones o revelaciones sobre la identidad de los participantes.
8. Se debe respetar el tema de los debates que ya están empezados, sin interferir con mensajes que no tienen nada que ver.
9. No se publicarán mensajes con fines publicitarios.
Los moderadores pueden aplicar estas reglas suprimiendo todo un mensaje o una parte, y expulsando de los foros a aquellos participantes que no las respeten.
No se pueden discutir las decisiones de los moderadores. Al participar en los foros de WebIslam, se comprometen a respetar la autoridad de los moderadores y las reglas expuestas anteriormente.


However, since I already have an excellent Muslim forum in French (Mejliss), a good fascist forum in German (Thiazi), it would be nice to have a high quality socialist forum in Spanish to sharpen my wits on. (Please note: I am opposed to jihadism, fascism and socialism.)

[Stephen唐士明]

(Also from the German section)


Also von mir aus können wir auch mit Dir diskutieren. Aber bei deinem Geschreibsel kommt für mich nur raus, dass Du denkst Du seist ein toller Hecht und die Weisheit in Person. Aber ich seh da keine Argumente...

No, actually I consider myself to be rather stupid. In order to improve my cognitive abilities, I go to forums to debate with people with ideologies radically different than mine. Somewhat like participating in a philosophy seminar - the shock of having to confront new ideas is excellent for my intellectual development.

The first time this happened to me was when I went to the Republic of China. I suddenly started having the feeling that (in a sea of Chinese) I was completely abnormal. To a lesser extent, this has been true in the Muslim forum Mejliss. In Thiazi, I get the feeling that either I am crazy or all the Nazis there are blithering lunatics. Quite a frightening experience. I hope to get the same experience in debating with socialists/feminists.


Vielleicht fangen wir doch mal damit an was Dir bswse. am Sozialismus nicht gefällt? das kannste ja mal schreiben dann wird Dir auch jemadn antworten

Revolutionäre grüße

Unfortunately, I am no longer allowed to post in the foreign language section of Revleft. No hard feelings - I was aware of this possibility when I publicly admitted to supporting representative democracy in the Revleft member's forum.

However, my principle is treat even my ideological enemies honestly - and not try to infiltrate a forum under false pretences. Why? Besides ethical reasons, there is no intellectual gain for me should I start to tell lies.

Best Wishes,

Stephen

P.S. That said, if you know of a pluralistic socialist forum in German - which uses vBulletin software, I would be quite interested.

[Stephen唐士明]

(From the German section again)


Dein Deutsch läßt ein wenig zu wünschen übrig, Alter. Das kann ich dir nunmal verkünden. Vielleicht sollst du etwas dran arbeiten.

This is the advantage of Thiazi. Since these people are radical nationalists, they generally make great efforts to write in correct German. If I can exploit Nazis to improve my German, why not?


Ich habe den Eindruck, dass du ein Septic bist, der versucht, die ganze Welt gegen sich aufzuladen, um dann doch heldenhaft mit den eigenen feingeschliffenen Argumenten, das zu widersprechen und "die Gegner" ins Abseits zu befördern.

Septic or Sceptic?


Du verfehslt dein angepeiltes Ziel etwas bis weiträumig.

Again, you are assuming something about me that I have not confirmed. I take part in discussions in the hope of losing the arguments. Why? This way I can learn more.


Du bist sicherlich von deinen eigenen Argumenten überzeugt

Nope. Otherwise, I would not bother to debate with ideological enemies.


- und erst recht von deiner eigenen Großartigkeit.

Actually, no. I am a nobody - with no status at all.


Es mag sein, dass du argumentionsmäßig nie "besiegt" worden bist, aber ich glaube das hängt nicht so sehr mit deiner "überzeugendenen Argumentation" zusammen, sondern vielmehr damit zu tun hat, dass die entsprechenden Leute einfach keine Lust mehr hatten, sich die Zeit, mit einem derartigen Dumpfklumpen wie dir, sinnlos zu vergeuden.

Again, you misunderstand what I am trying to state. I am not primarily trying to win points in arguments but to learn from my enemies.


Also, leg deine Ansichten bloß, Herr Unbesiegbar! Tu das, was cherx vorschlägt. Dann sehen wir weiter.

As I mentioned to you in a private message yesterday, I am unable to post in the German forum.



ich darf euch drauf hinweisen, dass er restricted ist, daher wohl kaum dieser forum noch lesen und antworten wird ^^


I get the impression that Bugsy does not understand English. I gave him the link to this thread yesterday.

[Stephen唐士明]

From the Spanish section of Revleft:


A ver si viene diciendo sandeces después... échale el ojo que tecnicamente no debería estar aquí. A mi no me importa, pero mejor prevenir que curar.

A temporary solution to this problem is the Venezuelan forum propagando.org. The people there know me from the forum of aporrea - I survived the hacking attack but was purged after the civil war of 2007.

The software there is lousy - no possibility to ignore trolls and one cannot even write Chinese characters. However, the members - and more importantly the moderators - are friendly. Thus, I should be able to learn a great deal about socialism. As a pro-Chavez forum, propagando should be at the cutting edge of the revolución...

If you want to debate with me, the pinyin of my Chinese name is tangshiming.

P.S. I just discovered that there is a section for bourgeois democrats like me in the forum revolucionaldia.org.



Al Día con lo que opina la Oposición Venezolana
Si eres opositor -u opositora- al Gobierno Bolivariano; Tú también puedes Expresarte manifestando tu "ideología política", exponiendo críticas a las medidas gubernamentales, en fin... ¡Proponiendo temas que desees debatir con Revolucionarios Al Día!
Thus, my "existential" problem (finding a pluralistic socialistic forum in Spanish) is solved!

[bugsy]

(From the German section again)
Septic or Sceptic?
I meant it as I wrote it: Septic - as in "Septic tank" = Yank (it's the Brit word for You-Ess-Anians in Cockney rhyming slang).

Nope. Otherwise, I would not bother to debate with ideological enemies.Why do you consider "Andersdenkende" your "enemies"? I'm not quite clear on that point.

Actually, no. I am a nobody - with no status at all.You're telling a bit of a porky there, mucker! If ever anybody thought he was the dog's bollocks, it's you. I mean, it's buckshee to me anyway, it just provides a little more insight with regard to your motivation, that's all.

As I mentioned to you in a private message yesterday, I am unable to post in the German forum.Yes, and I didn't see your PM. So I apologise for that.

I get the impression that Bugsy does not understand English. I gave him the link to this thread yesterday.See? This is where your innate arrogance starts to shine through. Why should I not understand English? I'm a Mick (that means I'm from the ROI).

So now I know where to find you, what don't you like about real Socialism?

MsG

[Stephen唐士明]

I meant it as I wrote it: Septic - as in "Septic tank" = Yank (it's the Brit word for You-Ess-Anians in Cockney rhyming slang)...

:(

Ah, you are a troll: gifted in insulting your discussion partners. However, I am interested in intellectual exchange, not in pointless net wars. Therefore, you are now on my ignore list.

P.S. My thanks to the administrators of this forum for offering this option - this helps to raise the intellectual level of discussions.