After the Revolution..

[Anarcho]

Alright, everthing I've read on here has stated that true Communism is about helping your fellow man, and free speech, and free press, etc.

What I'd like to know, is if/when the revolution comes, what will happen to those that didn't want it, that would be opposed to a Communist/Socialist state? Not rebels, not people picking up guns and shooting the local Commisar, I mean the ones who want to run for office on the "Bring back the old skool" platform, or the one who wants to run a newspaper calling for the replacment of the government?

This one may get tossed into some other areas as well.. haven't decided yet..

[reagan lives]

What a silly question. Who wouldn't want to be Communist? The only people who don't want to be Communist are the brainwashed sheep. Nobody who was informed could possibly disagree with the Communist ethos. Stop being silly, silly.

[STALINSOLDIERS]

fuck you reagen the capitalist are brain washed...i mean check this out havent you notice that most capitalist looks like gremlins.yeah its ture all capitalist are ugly like look at the sandino guy hes young but loosing hair.must be capitalist stress...yeah most capitalist are fat people.why cause they cant move as much cause of thier weight so they end up being capitalist to miss everyone up and the world...dam capitalist people you are ugly ass phuck..

[munkey soup]

Wow SS, that sure is a powerful argument you have there, "All cappies are ugly and look like gremlins."

And to RL, thats the spirit, you're finally catching on.

[STALINSOLDIERS]

hahaha ive been catching on i got more to say but im trying to make it short.....and for that sign you got....did anyone said marxism ...

[poncho]

The revolution is going to happen but its going to be a peacefull revalation and its not going to be socialism or communism. Mark my words Canadians are going to get so fed up with the government we will seek to join the United States. The U.S will welcome this because of Alberta's vast oil and gas resources, British Columbia's water and lumber..... but the greatest damage will be that they will say Canada was once the greatest country to live in the World but its social programs dragged it down so far that out of survival necessity it had to join the United states.

Think I'm crazy talk of this has already started by 2003 with no parties to counter the evils of the ruling liberal party and it Dictator Chretien at the helm juring the next election the conservative right will seek out alternatives wich will be joining the U.S.A. by 2004 the U.S. will start warming to the idea and discussing publicly how to intergrate Canada as part of the U.S.A. In 2005 it will happen.

I'm moving to Cuba!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[honest intellectual]

Cubans are all gorrrrrrrrrrrrrjuuussssssss

Edit: and me too. i'm gourgeous. I'm a beautiful, beautiful communist

(Edited by honest intellectual at 9:03 pm on April 10, 2002)

[Guest]

your revolution will never happen... keep dreaming... long live self government and my right to greed.

[Michael De Panama]

The revolution will only come when the majority revolt. Unlike movements of the past, the communist movements are in favor of the majority of the world's population, the proletariat. The most important thing to do is to educate the proletarian majority about the theory. Revolution will come once the fall of America comes, because with it the power of the bourgeoisie will also fall.

I am in favor of democracy. If the majority rules in favor of class antagonism by the ruling minority, then we should yield the system to capitalism. But that just seems a little silly.

[Anarcho]

It may be silly, but at least to this point, that's what the American people have wanted. And personally, I don't think it's going to change anytime soon.

Thanks to the brainwashing of MacArthurism, and other sources, the vast vast majority of the American proletariat have no wish to have anything to do with socialism/communism. Even the labor unions are anti- socialism.

But what I asked is, what will happen to the minority when it happens? Currently, the minority is mocked, yes, but otherwise allowed to live their lives unchallenged.

Will Capitalists be given the same rights in a socialist state?

[reagan lives]

I was being sarcastic, in case you couldn't tell. I have pointed out before on this board that the underlying flaw in Communism is its inability to deal with dissent. Supporters of Communism selectively ignore this fact, when it's brought up they say that the only reason why people DON'T support their cause is that they're brainwashed. Or, my personal favorite, that they're only supportive of capitalism because of the luxuries it affords them. The Communist ethos is built around the assumption that they know what's good for everyone...what everyone's ability is, what everyone's need is, and how the two should relate to each other. It's inconcievable for a Communist that an informed person would not agree with them. That's why nobody on this thread (aside from me) has even tried to deal with your question.

"Thanks to the brainwashing of MacArthurism"
I think you mean "McCarthyism."

"Even the labor unions are anti- socialism."
Of course they are. I don't know where the idea that labor unions are "socialist" came from, but there's no good reason why they should support la revolucion. Labor unions are a uniquely capitalist insitution...have you ever bothered to think about what the function of a labor union would be in a Communist system? I'll save you the trouble: it has none. "Of course not, because why would any workers be dissatisfied with Communism? Impossible situation!!" What could a Communist system possibly do about a strike?? Labor unions are put into action when terms of ability and need are disagreed on by the workers and employers. There is no room for such disagreement in Communism.

[munkey soup]

I was being sarcastic as well mi amigo, was it that hard to tell? Or do you believe socialists are incapable of sarcasm?

[reagan lives]

I realize that, I was talking to Anarcho.

[RedCeltic]

RL... you ever hear of the IWW?

http://iww.org/

[reagan lives]

The IWW is a union in name alone. It's a socialist movement that has nothing to do with representing workers in collective bargaining agreements.

[Capitalist]

After the Revolution what will happen???

Well Let's See......................

Fidel Castro and other foreign communists like the Imperialistic Soviet Union & Argentine Che Guevara will steal the revolution from the Democratic Cuban People.

They will create an evil empire that denies the Cuban people freedom.

Infact the new Fidel regime will be much worst then the Batista regime.

No free media

No free elections

No free assembly (including unions)

No free enterprise or capitalism

No right to bear arms

Governement Brainwashing (They will call it education)

CDRs on every corner to enforce the new regimes will upon the people.

etc.

Come on guys this is old news.

What will happen after the revolution?

The revolution ended over 40 years ago

And it failed! It has been dead for years now.

[Angie]

The revolution only dies after there are no more Socialists left. Considering our numbers, right across the planet, I think it's far from being over, non?

The Majority (Third) World is primarily based upon poor people who are bent on helping each other through their suffering, without the need to have money (which, of course, is logical - since they physically have none to start with.) That is a Socialist viewpoint. And it is supported by the bulk of the planet's population. So, what do you propose you do, Capitalist? Murder two thirds of the world's population because it believes in helping save the people themselves, not their finances?

Thus on the contrary, the Revolution is far from dead, it is merely preparing to rise up once more into it's new prime.

The Revolution is unbreakable, it can be injured, but it cannot be destroyed, and it's wounds always heal.

[Communist Dominion]

A world revolution at this time would be impractical, what needs to happen is the liberation of the third world countries of the capitalist yoke.(or is this what your saying?)
Well anyway, once the m,ajority of the world becomes communist again we will strike back at you for the pain and misery you have placed every single other humen being under, and you will proberbly strike first (capitalists are aggresive imbeciles) like the bay of pigs invasion and veitnam involvement.

The problem with south america is that they think that capitalism is the only way, they need to be educated about the basics and tought self-sufficiency.

And when the "final revolution starts" you should realy realise that you actually deserve it, if you dont know what for, then your even more guilty, your guilty of your own ignorance.

[Guest]

A person with a union-busting slime ball like Reagan for an avatar has no room talking about labor unions! Your fucking hero hurt all of us union workers don't you even forget for one moment about what he did to the air traffic controlers nor how much of a anti-union slime he was!

Eugene V. Debs.. a socialist started the American Federation of Railroad workers...

The Communist Party USA is has pro union material all over their website...

The Socialist Party USA rallies to repeal anti Union laws..

laws instituded by your republican heros...

[Zippy]

Quote: from STALINSOLDIERS on 6:01 pm on April 10, 2002
fuck you reagen
Such a clever reply.

*sighs*

Zippy.

[Capitalist]

If anyone is guilty of union busting it would be the communists.

China, Cuba, North Korea, etc. - none of these governments allow the workers to create unions free of government intervention.

In fact, It was a Polish Worker's Union that killed communism in Poland and freed the Polish people from the Imperialistic Soviet Union.

If you are Pro-Union than I would think that freedom of assembly would be high on your list of freedoms.

Communists ALWAYS deny the right to Free Assembly.

[RedCeltic]

Capitalist: I didn't hear Guest mention any of those countries... only the United States and organisations in the United States.

The only ones union busting in America are the conservitive republicans. And that's not pumped up propaganda like your rehashing... that's a fact. Who passed repressive labor legislation such as the Hatch Act, the Taft-Hartley Act, the Landrum-Griffin Act, and all the so-called "right-to-work" laws ? Conservitives.

Who else would agree with this? Liberal Democrats.



(Edited by RedCeltic at 9:35 pm on April 12, 2002)

[Communist Dominion]

in Communist countries there are no unions maybe, but in the US you dont even respond or care about them, they are mearly a hinderence to your oppression and exploitation.

[Communist Dominion]

Can you please stop calling the soviet union imperialistic you imperialistic bum.

[Solzhenitsyn]

They'll be shot by the Peoples Commissariat of Social Extermination (a name reluctantly rejected by Lenin for the 'justice' organs of the SU) or the Chekists.

[Anarcho]

Quote: from Communist Dominion on 4:21 am on April 13, 2002
Can you please stop calling the soviet union imperialistic you imperialistic bum.


Regardless of what you feel about the Sov Union, it's actions in Yugoslavia, Hungary, and Afghanistan point out it's Imperialistic tendency.

And how, exactly, does the US ignore it's unions? When the AFL-CIO is a major poliitical mover and shaker? When even big businesses must bow to pressure from the Unions? When State workers, at least in California, have a Union that can override the wishes of the State government?

[kingbee]

Quote: from Communist Dominion on 4:21 am on April 13, 2002
Can you please stop calling the soviet union imperialistic you imperialistic bum.


i dont like to admit either, but it was imperialist. see east europe, mongolia, afghanistan. it was a helper of third world countries though, and the u$ was just as bad. oops-IS, is just as bad

[honest intellectual]

Communism is pro-trade union (at least in the early stages) whatever about the actions of communist countries in the past

[RedRevolutionary87]

there wouldnt be a need for union because the government is the union, it would be owned by the people, and therefore will do everything for the benifit of the worker

think about it!