The State in Capitalist Society

[Imperial Power]

I am currently reading this book and it seems Ralph Miliband is correct. Capitalism no longer exists in the form we think of. The mixed economy of government regulation has taken over all modern advanced capitalist society. Since WW2 government regulation, and subsidies have controlled the market. Therefore the hands off economy does not really exist. The scale and pervasivness of states intervention in contempory capitalism is now immeasurable greater than ever before, and will undoubtedly continue to grow. The situation is so complicated and I now feel all western society is post capitalist. Although it is to early to sign the obituary, capitalism definitely morphing into a new system of free enterprise. But one thing will always remain and that is social class. At least this post capitalism economy allows for upward movement on the social scale.

[Capitalist]

I agree

BIG TAXES = RESTRICTION on FREEDOM of ENTERPRISE

The rich can afford big taxes, the middle class can not afford big taxes.

Tax should be flat and based on a set percentage of what you purchase - not what you earn.

This country was founded by men trying to limit big government - not make it bigger.

[libereco]

wait.....you just noticed that?

Hardcore Capitalism ended the moment when Labour Unions managed to form and when things like social security were introduced.

Capitalism in it's purest form was back when you'd have children and women work 14 hours a day for a shit pay.

Everything after that had at least a few Socialist components.

I can see how someone named Imperial Power would want this state to return though...

[pce]

i was listening to ralph nader on the radio the other day. he was talking about the influence of third parties throughout history. he said he once asked the socialist party leader (i forgot who he was) what he thought his party has accomplished seeing as to how there aren't any socialists in office. and he said their biggest accomplishment was seeing the democrats taking up some of the socialist platform.

OH-YEAH!

[Nateddi]

edit nm, did you say Ralph talked to him? It must be David McReynolds, but I doubt it.

(Edited by Nateddi at 4:21 am on April 6, 2002)

[Imperial Power]

Libreo how sad, you think I supoort sweat shops. Your 180 degrees from the truth. I've shown in other threads that every communist nation that has ever existed surpressed it own people. The content of my previous thread must have gone completly over your head.

[Moskitto]

The rich can afford big taxes, the middle class can not afford big taxes.

Yes, that would be why there are different tax bands allowing people to pay based on what they earn.

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from Imperial Power on 1:37 pm on April 6, 2002
I've shown in other threads that every communist nation that has ever existed surpressed it own people.
I hate to break it to you, but Gap products aren't sold much in North Korea. $200 Nikes aren't as common in China as they are in the United States. And, at last count, Old Navy didn't have its best sales in Cuba. Through globalization, which is supported by the right and not the left, American companies have gotten off even easier and use more sweatshop labor than ever. Are you anti-globalization? Which, if any, restrictions on globalization do you support? It's time for a reality check.

[Guest]

Globolisation is just the modern term for imperialism that attempts to mask its ambitions for cultural, political and economic hegemony around the world.

[ID2002]

"I Will Deny You "....very good point!
....agree strongly!

[Imperial Power]

I will deny you,

China allows sweat shops to operate that make make the Gap and Niike products. They don't care about their citizens.

North Korea has the worst human rights violations in the world.

[Markxs]

greed still exist in the world cause the leaders of contries like us and china still dont give a shit about there ppl. why on earth would you support there causes. the money addicted ppl make this word such an ugly place. peace to the opressed, imperial power i respect your opionion but please reconsider it for the good for us all not for just 1%. in death we are all equal so why do we have to fight for money when we are here doesnt make sense.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Imperial Power on 1:22 am on April 8, 2002
I will deny you,

China allows sweat shops to operate that make make the Gap and Niike products. They don't care about their citizens.

North Korea has the worst human rights violations in the world.





And you think the US cares about its people? Look at all the ghettos. You think Bush cares about all the babies born into poverty? Where are their charity drives? I don't see Bush doing a commercial for a boy whos mom did crack so now he can't walk. The US doesn't give a fuck about anyone either. It allows children to live in those conditions.

[James]

Lardlad95
HEY HEY HEY What do you expect, old Bushy has got LOADS on his plate... Hes got TERROISM to fight remember...hes a Knight in Shinning Armour to all of us!!! The PERFECT roll model (i AM being sarcastic in case that isn't obvious...)

[Lardlad95]

my fault were was my head. Bush, when your out there protecting my freedom and stealing it from some child, remember Those little kids bombed our WTC buildings. Kill all the 4 year olds. THey may look like children playing in the streets, but when they are playing they are training to come and take away my freedom to bomb them

(I was being sarcastic just incase some didn't notice that)

[Guest]

why are you projecting. If you don't like bush fault him for things he's done, not for what you're caricature of him would do. ass.

[Lardlad95]

your right, bush didn't bomb the children, the troops did

[guerrillaradio]

There's a similar situation in the UK. The NHS (public health service), trains and Post Office are collapsing and virtually unusable. Meanwhile, Blair's in the US telling us how utterly despicable Saddam fucking Hussein is. I'm sick of Blair being Bush's puppet, sort out the fucking UK first you idiot...this War on Terrorism is so self-righteous it's sick.

[Communist Dominion]

Do you think privitisation is good? well tell that to the thousands of unemployed britons who were postal workers.
And those sweat shops are Us owned so its not really China abusing those people its you. And can you imagine China saying "No" to US globel companies? well a new war or terror will start, "help those poor sweat shop employees, they have been terrorised by to much freedom".-G.W.Bush