Marxism is spreading in the minds of teenagers [Archive]

Blackberry

2nd April 2002, 23:58

Quote: from Malvinas Argentinas on 12:39 am on April 3, 2002
I am a teenager, and i feel that communists ideas are spreading among as, at least in Argentina. I hope this happens all over the world.

A new revolution is comming?

It all depends where you live. I suppose because of Argentina's great debt, that communism is spreading.

Capitalist

3rd April 2002, 13:59

Be careful what you rebel for.

You may be a rebel without a cause.

You may be wasting your good energy for a bad cause.

Communistic systems sap the incentive out of work.

People work to better themselves and the people around them.

Communism robs hard working people of their rewards and contributions and gives it to the government.

In time everybody quits working because there is no incentive to work. Why work harder - when no matter how productive you are, the fruits of labor goes to the government?

Big Taxes and Controlled Wages prevents capitalism and free enterprise which in turn prevents productivity.

Understand what you are fighting for.

Is it the best system to fight for?

Or is their a better system?

I choose to fight for Democracy and Freedom

oconner

3rd April 2002, 14:33

I am a teenager living in Britain and a Marxist, so Marxism might be spreading in Britain, or I could just be weird :)

CheateN02

3rd April 2002, 15:03

well it is... i live here in Ireland and 3 of my friends are marxmists and not to mention my self :P

Malvinas Argentinas

3rd April 2002, 20:15

Capitalist:

Have you seen news of Argentina???

Why are you asking for a cause??

Capitalsm destroyed my country, it is time to rebel

sabre

3rd April 2002, 21:31

Capitalist go read das Kapital becuase you obviously know nothing

whe nthe workers give to society or the "government", the government gives back to them in free health care, free education, they spend all that money on their people. when the government tkaes it they give it right back, and the harder everyone works the more reqards they all get. so when the government "takes" the money they give it right back. so shut the hell up all of your arguments have been prven wrong time and time again its time to go lurk somewhere else

El Brujo

3rd April 2002, 21:39

Quote: from Capitalist on 10:59 pm on April 3, 2002
Be careful what you rebel for.

You may be a rebel without a cause.

What the fuck do you know about our country? Your source of information comes from your good, biased, right-wing buddy's from Fox news. For your information, MENEM (neo-libertatian scum that is 100% pro-U$A) caused the recession. Now tell me if capitalism works.

kingbee

3rd April 2002, 22:44

quite a few are in my school. maybe south wales could be the start of something new....nope- cant see that happening

Lardlad95

4th April 2002, 01:37

Excuse me Capitalist but....they are right stay out of the buisness of another country you obviously know nothing about, I'm not from Argentina so I'm not going to try and talk about it.

Anyway, I know for one that Milwaukee(where I live) is a very socialist city, lots of socialists, communist, and leftist.....mainly from all the rastafarians. I know milwaukee had a socialist mayor once

SasafrÃ¡s

4th April 2002, 05:01

Though I am not a capitalist, I agree with Capitalist to a certain degree. "You may be a rebel without a cause." I'm no Marxist or Communist or Socialist, but I can say that I am a 'leftist.' Just make sure that, as a young person, you're not rebelling just for rebellion's sake. Rebel for a real reason. Know why. In society, it is very typical for teens (and other young adults) to be rebellious simply because it makes them look 'cool.' Don't support Marxism because it'll scare your parents and teachers. Support Marxism because you really believe that it is the superior system.

As far as Argentina, I don't live there, so it really is difficult for me to get an in depth understanding of the issues that are important there. According to my Argentine (Mar del Plata) pen pal, politicians are the main cause of the [economic] problems. She said:

<< We still can't believe what we've turned into ourselves. Though it's pretty simple, one word actually: politicians. You know where all the money this country had is today? In their Swiss bank accounts. And that's why people can't get their money out of the banks, cause if they do, the economy collapses. The money they saved all their lives cause their parents had taught them that 'el ahorro es la base de la fortuna' (translates to: "Saving is the basis of fortune" )... but it seems like its not, at least not here. >>

And, Malvinas Argentinas, recuerda las palabras del Che. Es "la bestialidad imperialista... bestialidad que no tiene una frontera determinada." Las Islas Malvinas pertenecen a los Argentinos; no pertenecen a los piratas británicos. Ellos son ladrones. Estoy contigo.. I'm on your side, girl ;)

Guest

4th April 2002, 06:05

I dont see how these islands can be claimed by argentina, their population is almost exclusively of british descent. It's not like the argentinians have any ancient claims on the islands, as they too are a state created through "imperialism", just of the Spanish kind. In any case the islands were discovered by the british, initially settled by the french and then disputed between the british and spanish. The british gained control and populated the islands, they are the only ethnic group there.

Super Xero

4th April 2002, 09:01

Yes Marxism is spreading here in Australia too, although some countries may have it easy "spreading" due to the Un-Imperialistic Touch of the USA. Our country's foreign policy is "Follow the Invisable Dictatorship of the USA".

Blackberry

4th April 2002, 10:00

Quote: from Super Xero on 10:01 am on April 4, 2002
Yes Marxism is spreading here in Australia too, although some countries may have it easy "spreading" due to the Un-Imperialistic Touch of the USA. Our country's foreign policy is "Follow the Invisable Dictatorship of the USA".

Nope. Marxism is not spreading here. You may think this because you are living in a socialist area, but the reality is, many Australians like the security of the "land of freedom".

It is sad, but true.

FuckChina

4th April 2002, 15:16

Capitalism didn't destroy your country,people did.Don't blame a system that works everywhere else(except for whiny ungrateful little *****s like yourselves) for the stupidity of the people that run your damned shitty ass country

Guest1

4th April 2002, 15:40

Hmm... I see it the other way around, capitalism has been a plague to everyone but the rich and the caucasian middle class.

Nateddi

4th April 2002, 16:37

Quote: from FuckChina on 4:16 pm on April 4, 2002
Capitalism didn't destroy your country,people did.Don't blame a system that works everywhere else(except for whiny ungrateful little *****s like yourselves) for the stupidity of the people that run your damned shitty ass country

tisk tisk tisk.

Didn't your mom tell you not to swear.

Capitalism does destroy nations. Look at south-east asia and all of their sweatshops for American corporations, look at everyone being layed off and underpayed by companies like GM, at a time when they are makign multi-billion dollar profits. I don't think its the stupidity of the people which causes our country to be like shit (hmm, didn't you just say it works perfectly). Its the rationallity. The right wingers which cut funds to social programs, the oil execs which will overthrow dictators to put others in just to get cheaper oil. The ones who don't research solar power because oil is many times more profitable (after all, you cannot own the sun, you can own an oil well). Capitalism is leading rich people to rational decisions which cause harm to the rest of the world.

Please don't curse.

Lardlad95

4th April 2002, 19:17

honest intellectual

4th April 2002, 22:25

Ia agree with La Rainbeaux, sabre and, to an extent, Capitalist.

Rebel for socialism, not for rebellion ("At the risk of sounding ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love" - Che Guevara, Man and socialism in Cuba)*

Communism robs hard working people of their rewards and contributions and gives it to the government.

In time everybody quits working because there is no incentive to work. Why work harder - when no matter how productive you are, the fruits of labor goes to the government?
To the people, Capitalist, honey. The people. if you knew anything about communism, you'd realise that the state is the people. There is no government

*Hehehe, the cappies are gonna be after me for that one

Malvinas Argentinas

4th April 2002, 22:34

Quote: from Guest on 9:05 am on April 4, 2002
I dont see how these islands can be claimed by argentina, their population is almost exclusively of british descent. It's not like the argentinians have any ancient claims on the islands, as they too are a state created through "imperialism", just of the Spanish kind. In any case the islands were discovered by the british, initially settled by the french and then disputed between the british and spanish. The british gained control and populated the islands, they are the only ethnic group there.

La República Argentina fundamenta su soberanía sobre las Islas Malvinas en una Sucesión de Estados. Esa sucesión respecto de España se hace efectiva y se legitima en el derecho a la autodeterminación ejercido en 1810 por las Provincias Unidas del Río de la Plata.

El primer interrogante que plantea esta posición se centra en determinar que derechos tenía España sobre las Islas Malvinas que podía transmitir a las Provincias Unidas, a la fecha crítica de 1810 y a la luz del derecho contemporáneo al hecho que provocó la sucesión de Estados.

La Doctrina nacional ha tratado de responder este interrogante alegando que:

a) España ocupaba efectivamente a esa fecha las islas,
B) esa ocupación era la continuación de una primera ocupación francesa cedida a España en reconocimiento de sus derechos,
c) España había descubierto las islas y sus derechos de ocupación habían sido reconocidos convencionalmente por terceros Estados.

sorry it is in spanish.

Guest

4th April 2002, 22:50

esta bien yo entiendo castellano, pero no veo como esto cambia la realidad que todos los malvinos son ingleses, y su derecho es en la union britannica

Capitalist

5th April 2002, 22:58

Communism spreads like wild fire amongst the ignorant.

Not necessarily teenagers!

Unless they are ignorant teenagers.

I am not stupid enough to wear a Che Guevara T shirt. And I will be the first to stop you on the street and test your knowledge and support for Che Guevara if I see you wearing that shirt (which by the way - I feel you have every right to wear in a FREE SOCIETY)

Malvinas Argentinas

5th April 2002, 23:09

Guest,
son ingleses porque ellos usurparon las islas antes de que nosotros empesaramos a poblarlas. Los habitantes no tienen nada que ver, por ejemplo, 50 ingleses deciden habitar en un lugar despoblado de la provincia argentina de santa cruz, que esa gente habite el lgar, no significa que el territorio sea ingles

Malvinas Argentinas

5th April 2002, 23:18

Capitalist,.
What you are saying is al the way around. Marxism spreads among the people who are NOT ignorant. Ignorants would continue believing in the capitalist system.
Dont you hink their must be a reason that people uses che´s t-shirts and not bush´s???

red senator

5th April 2002, 23:54

I am a teen-ager in America and I am doing my part to educate my peers on marxism and socialist thinking. I have to take a speech class at my high-school and since the teacher never assigns topics, I always do mine on Communism, Socialism, and the evils of capitolism. I don't really think I am getting through to many of my peers, but I have gotten most of my close friends to pick up my ragged copy of the communist manifesto and read it. I have extra trouble getting through to my classmates though since I live in the south and they are all very religious and alot of them are richies.

honest intellectual

6th April 2002, 00:14

Quote: from Capitalist on 11:58 pm on April 5, 2002
Communism spreads like wild fire amongst the ignorant.
Capitalist, just beccause someone does not agree with you it does not automatically make them ignorant. Surely you can't be saying that Marx, Engels, Lenin etc. were all ignorant? I can accept that there are intelligent educated, capitalists. Don't be such a fucking narrow-minded shit

uth1984

1st July 2002, 18:06

Capitalist, there is nothing worse than a smararse who thinks everyone else who disgrees with him is stupid/ignorant. The fact is that we support socialism because wer believe it will be the best system, and because we dont like seeing people harmed. You like capitalism because you have a deep seated hatred for all human life. And probablyt because you have a very, very small penis

ID2002

1st July 2002, 18:46

"65%" of all people who live on the West Coast of canada are quite socially (left-wing) minded. They see what privitization of health care and interfereance of big corperate names in local buisness. People in B.C. want the BC liberal party out of power as they are destroying the provinces future and adding right wing policies. People are aware and PISSED OFF!

....its only a matter of time before socialism become the norm.

Power1

1st July 2002, 21:58

Well Marxism isn't spreading were i am. None of my friends are that intrested in politics.

Stormin Norman

1st July 2002, 22:10

The sign of the true moron, somebody who claims to have studied communism, yet still supports the underlying theory. History has shown the devastating results of such a system. For those of you that claim it was not true communism, wake up and smell the coffee. The reason communism results in totalitarianism is due to the fact that centralization of all means of production, and confisation of private property must be done by edict. Essentially, it takes a tyrant to impose the restrictions on freedom necessary for a communist state.
Marxism is not spreading anywhere near me, because I will ridicule anyone who professes the goodness of communism to me. Most people are intelligent enough to realize the sound argument that I have laid before them and make the right choice.

jimr

1st July 2002, 23:23

Arrogance is paramount in here.

Sound arguements indeed. I am 17, and i know near nothing of the world. However the small amount that i know haunts me. The millions that starve in developing nations while the rich capitalists countries do next to nothing except to give a country the bare minimum to still remain a market for their exports, or perhaps to buy up cheap raw materials. Exploitation goes hand in hand with Capitalism. The desire for material wealth is inherently flawed. Insentive to work should not be more wealth, it should be to contribute to society. Only the rich and priviliaged and selfish see Capitalism as a good system. It is cruel, biased and destructive.

Communism, or atleast the principles of communism, distribute the wealth equally and operate under the idea of giving everyone the same standard of living with no bias given to class or ethnic origin. I will not deny that this has hardly been seen to be true in the so called communist states that have been seen through recent history. However atleast they strive for this goal. The actual socialistic principle cannot be argued with. It is both humanitarian and morally right.
I believe that one day a leader will imerge that will not be corrupted by power and will deliver the communist dream for all of teh world to see. However this may or may not come after a violent revolution. I am still to decide whetehr i favour violent revolution and then the dictatorship period and then more democratic reforms, or going straight through democratic means. However i am in no doubt that socialism is what humankind needs and not exploitation. The means to that end can be argued all you want, the conclusion will always be the same.

Che Vive
Hasta la victoria siempre

Brian

1st July 2002, 23:24

Histroy has proven that Communism doesn't work well,and National socialism failed too.Capitalism has worked pretty good really but it is fucked up but Capitalism has a little more of freedom then Communsim,Socialism has worked very well in Cuba.If you ask me all Goverments are fucked up!

Stormin Norman

2nd July 2002, 12:22

Why don't you communists and socialists put your money where your mouth is. I hear you ponder the question of whether or not you should bring about violent revolution. Your's is an unjust cause and will lack the public support necessary to win a war. So bring it on, not only will you be anniliated by the likes of me, but all the innocent bystanders will refuse to offer you the support, which you need to succeed in your goal. Your rhetoric makes the average citizen sick and will not succeed in convincing anyone to support your cause. You need people who are more articulate and skilled in the art of persuation. Nobody that I have run across on this board could convince a three year old that communism is the way to save the world. Once your agenda is realized by the masses, it will be rejected. Your resistance will splinter, and the remnants of your movement will die slowly. Like fish out of water, your people will die a mindless death.

WolfieSmith

2nd July 2002, 14:37

To Stormin Norman,

I hardly think that guerilla warfare is going to kick off in middle America. Come on!

However, Americans will find that poor nations will begin to stand up for themselves against imperialism. They won't invade you, but they will demand better prices for their commodities and will resist American aggression.

Third world Capitalism = corruption, cronyism and kissing western ass. What will replace it? My hope is genuine socialism. My fear is totalitarianism.

To my Argentine comrades,

I need to learn spanish. One day, I hope to travel to Latin America as more than just a gringo tourist.

Hasta La Victoria Siempre.

Stormin Norman

2nd July 2002, 21:02

In response to:

'I hardly think that guerilla warfare is going to kick off in middle America. Come on!'

That is because after all the whining about how unjust and oppressive our system is, you communist/socialists kwno how good you trully have it. At the end of the day you realize that our system is the best in the world.
If that statement fails to be true then the real reason lies in the fact that most of you would be incapable of guerilla warfare. Demanding that America change, and crying for all of the nations which are oppressed, will fail to facilitate change. Fortunately, that is what commies do best and will never embark on the tough task of combating the 'evils' of capitalism. In essence, your movement is no real threat and only contributes to the random noise on the internet. All bark and no bite.

Mazdak

3rd July 2002, 03:04

I am alone amognst my peers who are all happy to bbe sheep, trying to argue pro capitalist saying "in communism there is only one kind of cereal" and other stupid arguments of that sort. However, alot of people get me annoying by calling themselves anarchists and then admitting they have no idea what it stands for but looks "cool"

Child of Revolution

4th July 2002, 13:43

In London, Engaland, half of my friends claim to be communists. :P
But, unfortunately, They dont sound very serious. Theyr'e just playing along with the story sos i dont call 'em Cappie or JFk or Rascist pig

Red Revolution

4th July 2002, 21:22

Most peole in my school don't have a political preference. The ones who do are all right wing extremists. I know a few socialists out of school though.

RGacky3

5th July 2002, 01:06

Quote: from ZaPaTiStA SoCiAlIsTa on 12:49 am on April 3, 2002
Los jovenes seran la fureza de la revolucion socialista!

VIVA LA REVOLUCION

Viste el gran discurso de marcos en el capital? comundante, or are you even mexican?

Radikkal Rebel

5th July 2002, 03:12

u obviously knownothing bout the way communism works, yes the money is given t the government buteveryone has a job,healthcare,education. u r provided with everything u need to survive, unlike capitalism where your thrown out into the world to fend for yourself un less of course if your a rich white male, then u get everything u fuckin need. u should rethink your capitalist ways u damn cappie

pseudo christ

8th July 2002, 11:13

well, i'm a 16yr old in australia and i;m seeing more and more leftys every day!

Stormin Norman

8th July 2002, 16:09

I too am seeing more and more lefties everyday. At first I thought I was going bonkers, but then a friend told me that he too was experiencing the same misfortune. That is when we realized that an alien invasion was quietly occuring. The robotic responses to political questions is what tipped us off to the fact that these lefties weren't actually human. On top of that it seemed like they were devoid of human feeling. One can only come to the conclusion that they are either cyborgs or aliens, who must be stopped at all costs. The real danger is how they are able to infiltrate our political system, turning it into a system that produces more clones. They create social programs, which have a crack-like effect on those exposed. After receiving aid for the new system, the humans seem to be addicted and begin offering the same brainwashed responses as the original lefties. Maybe they become pod people or walking zombies like on Night of the Living Dead. Whatever the explanation for such strange behavior, it must be supernatural. The is no other explanation for people who abdicate their responsibilty to think for themselves.

RedCeltic

8th July 2002, 17:19

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 10:09 am on July 8, 2002
I too am seeing more and more lefties everyday. At first I thought I was going bonkers, but then a friend told me that he too was experiencing the same misfortune. That is when we realized that an alien invasion was quietly occuring. The robotic responses to political questions is what tipped us off to the fact that these lefties weren't actually human. On top of that it seemed like they were devoid of human feeling. One can only come to the conclusion that they are either cyborgs or aliens, who must be stopped at all costs. The real danger is how they are able to infiltrate our political system, turning it into a system that produces more clones. They create social programs, which have a crack-like effect on those exposed. After receiving aid for the new system, the humans seem to be addicted and begin offering the same brainwashed responses as the original lefties. Maybe they become pod people or walking zombies like on Night of the Living Dead. Whatever the explanation for such strange behavior, it must be supernatural. The is no other explanation for people who abdicate their responsibilty to think for themselves.

Rather it is ****servitives like you that are devoid of any humanitarian feeling and rational thinking based on real life problems and concerns.