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Devrim
4th March 2008, 12:35
Comment on the Situation in Kosovo from Gece Notları:

Kosovo ‘Liberated’

So NATO has succeeded, on the 17th of February, just under nine years after a war in which NATO themselves admit that they murdered 1,500 civilians (with other sources putting the number nearly four times higher) Kosovo has declared unilaterally declared its independence.

A new state has been set up with a Prime Minister, Hashim Thaçi, who is the ex-leader of the terrorist murder gang the Kosovo Liberation Army, and a well known drug dealer and gangster.

Since NATO forces arrived to stop ethnic cleansing the Serb population of Kosovo has decreased by between 45,000 and 75,000, and this is quite apart from the nearly 250,000 Serbs that fled Kosovo at the end of the war.

International human right agencies have changed from reporting violence against ethnic Albanians to reporting violence by ethnic Albanians against Serbs. This violence wasn’t only directed against Serbs though. The KLA was democratic in its ethnic violence, and was quite prepared to murder and drive out Gypsies as well as Serbs. In fact in the two years following the war as many as 1,000 Serbs and Gypsies are know to have been murdered or ’disappeared’ by the KLA. This of course does not include the 847 reported to have been killed and 1,154 kidnapped during NATO’s war.

The war itself, which actually began on the ground in Kosovo in 1996, three years before NATO intervened, saw barbarous attacks upon Albanians by Serb military, and paramilitary forces. It is estimated that 10,000 ethnic Albanians were murdered, and up to 1,000,000 became refugees.

And here lies NATO’s victory. In just under nine years we have gone from a situation where members of an ethnic minority were being attacked, murdered and driven out of their homes in a province of Serbia to a situation where members of an ethnic minority are being attacked, murdered and driven out of their homes in Kosovo. It is the victory of the grave yard.

Added to that we have the increase in international tension in the region with Russia and Serbia resolutely refusing to recognise the new state of Kosovo, and the US, and most of the EU in addition to Turkey recognising it, and giving it their backing. All of which points to the possibility of further regional wars in the Balkans.

This is the real face of nationalism today. All that it has to offer the working class is an ever deepening cycle of war, and Barbarism.


Devrim

Bandito
4th March 2008, 20:13
Kosovo is liberated from serbian nationalism.
The next real fight for liberation will be against the "liberators".
Serbia is also a burgeoius country,so the other option falls too.

Red_or_Dead
4th March 2008, 21:50
Liberated, only to be enslaved. Actualy, there is no way that they can be liberated in this circumstances. With Serbia or without, they are going to the EU. Screw it, Im moving 40 years back in time.

Bandito
4th March 2008, 22:59
Neither Kosovo or Serbia will be a part of the EU.
You must look at the influences going on in those two. Serbia-Russia&USA,joined forces(like it was in Egypt),Kosovo-USA mostly,partly EU.
Liberated,YES.
They no longer have a threat on their lives.

Red_or_Dead
5th March 2008, 22:21
I dunno about Serbia, but Im guessing that sooner or later Kosovo will join EU. Maybe not tho, but its still a capitalist state, just as Serbia is. We will see.



Liberated,YES.
They no longer have a threat on their lives.

Theres a lot more to liberation, than just removing the threat on their lives.

Devrim
6th March 2008, 08:31
Liberated,YES.
They no longer have a threat on their lives.

Do you think that the threat to their lives was fundamentally lessened by the declaration of independence?

Do you think that there is a possibility of a threat to Serb lives again?

Devrim

Andy Bowden
6th March 2008, 12:06
I suppose its true that there would be little chance of the Serbs invading the region while it was under UN control.

But would you attack Kosovan independence as being irrelevant, and or reactionary when they faced the full brunt of Serb chauvinism? ie from 1990 - 1999.

Devrim
6th March 2008, 12:29
Yes, the KLA were a cross between gangsters, and a ethnic murder gang.

Devrim

Bandito
6th March 2008, 19:20
Do you think that the threat to their lives was fundamentally lessened by the declaration of independence?

Yes. There is less than 5% Serbians in Kosovo today. Serbia as a country can't do nothing,because Serbia has no jurisdiction on that area. So serbian police and army can't do nothing.

Do you think that there is a possibility of a threat to Serb lives again?

Yes. But Kosovans now have what they asked. Independance. So,there certainly won't be organized threats or actions,because there is no need to do that. There will be uncomfortable situations,but nothing more than one-man issues. It's the same situation in province of Vojvodina. There,ethnic Hungarians sometimes face unwelcomness or attacks,and that is harshly judged. But they don't suffer a threat from serbian army or ethnic cleansing,if you get my point,comrade.

Yes, the KLA were a cross between gangsters, and a ethnic murder gang.

In deed.
But you have to look at the basic foundations in that organization. I am not talking about '99,i am talking about '90-'91. Than the fight was organized on,i'll dare to say-revolutionary matters. Few villagers managed to organize themselves in a people's uprising against the terror. After those few years,KLA was taken over by war criminals and mobsters such is Ramush Haradinay,and the whole concept of people's struggle fell.