IF Ven./Col. war exist, will you be up for international bridage?

[Bright Banana Beard]

I would, on Venezuela side.

[RedAnarchist]

I doubt any IB would coming into being. The IB of the Spanish Civil War came about beacuse at the time there was a fear of fascism and as fascism seemed to be creeping into every country, a lot of people wanted to fight against fascism.

As for the current tensions in South America, I don't think they will lead to full scale war.

[Marukusu]

I would probably not be able to afford the plane ticket to Venezuela, but if I got there somehow would probably get myself killed pretty fast since my spanish sucks, I have zero surviving skills (especially not any jungle survival skills...) and I don't know much about modern warfare.

But as Zapata said: "I would rather die standing than live on my knees"...

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

I doubt any IB would coming into being. The IB of the Spanish Civil War came about beacuse at the time there was a fear of fascism and as fascism seemed to be creeping into every country, a lot of people wanted to fight against fascism.

As for the current tensions in South America, I don't think they will lead to full scale war.

Revleft should form an International Brigade! there are a lot of us, and we are all leftists, we all support the Venezuelans against the fascists in Columbia, we could all help each other out to get there and fight for something we believe in. You never know the Venezuelan govt might even fly us there if we tell them.

So yeah, if I could fight i would

[chegitz guevara]

I doubt Venezuela needs a bunch of skinny kids or old overweight men, none of whom have any military training or can speak Spanish to fight for them. If you're so key on getting yourself killed, you might consider joining the FARC-EP or the ELN. Both groups, though, would probably shoot you as being a CIA spy.

[Herman]

If you're so key on getting yourself killed, you might consider joining the FARC-EP or the ELN. Both groups, though, would probably shoot you as being a CIA spy.

Not if you have the proper contacts.

[Faux Real]

No, stay in school. It would not be a war of revolution but of social-imperialism so I don't understand why there are war enthusiasts wanking to the prospect of it.

[spartan]

I dont want to start an arguement or anything but i dont see why people have a problem with other people talking about wanting to go and help a progressive state (Venezuela) defend itself from the hostility of a neighbouring state (Colombia) who are a puppet state of our current biggest enemy (America)?

Then there are the typical put downs such as "Skinny white middle class teenagers", "Overweight men", "Military enthusiasts", etc, why?

I think that it is good that there are still people in the left movement who are prepared to fight for their Socialist ideals.

Alot of people on the left look like they have forgot about the "revolutionary" part in our ideology.

[Wanted Man]

Yes, let's organize a militia on a public forum. I'll import guns, I have contacts in Iran and North Korea. :rolleyes:

[R_P_A_S]

this thread is garbage. No i would not join. first of all there will be no war and second of all what will this war do for working class people and the movement??????????

on the contrary, it will cast a BIGGER and DARKER shadow on Socialism since the average working class person will associate Chavez with FARC= Bad guys and terrorism.. so no.. stop dreaming.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Yes, let's organize a militia on a public forum. I'll import guns, I have contacts in Iran and North Korea. :rolleyes:

Oh sorry? we were going to meet up in my garage BUT WE LIVE ALL ACROSS THE FUCKING WORLD.

[Wanted Man]

Oh sorry? we were going to meet up in my garage BUT WE LIVE ALL ACROSS THE FUCKING WORLD.
Oh, wait, you're taking this thread seriously?

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Oh, wait, you're taking this thread seriously?

I have the number for broken sarcasm detectors, do you want it?

[spartan]

Yes, let's organize a militia on a public forum. I'll import guns, I have contacts in Iran and North Korea. :rolleyes:

Obviously i agree that discussing the actual formation of a paramilitary organization is stupid and dangerous on a public forum, but it is the principle of fighting for your ideals that i was defending.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Spartan, how can we trust anything you say, when you have sexual intercourse with livestock?

In reality I'm advocating fighting for your ideals rather than just shouting at people who don't agree with your ideas of communism

[Holden Caulfield]

in theory yes, in reality obviously not like any of us have the means

[RNK]

Just get on a plane to Colombia, head out into the forests, and keep walking until you see people with guns.

50/50 you'll either be kidnapped for ransom or forced into labour.

Nah, I'm kidding. If Chavez called for the development of an International Brigade, that'd be pretty sweet.

[Bright Banana Beard]

but if there war that tore those two country apart, there could be many faction against many faction

[Holden Caulfield]

probably would be, i would be all for unity for the time being, i would put minor differances aside,

dunno bout you kids

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

i'm all for unity and comradeship, after all, we all want the same end result, just by different means and methods.

[spartan]

Spartan, how can we trust anything you say, when you have sexual intercourse with livestock?

WTF?


In reality I'm advocating fighting for your ideals rather than just shouting at people who don't agree with your ideas of communism

Needless to say i am confused, where exactly did i critiscise you Comrade Wolfie?

[R_P_A_S]

Just get on a plane to Colombia, head out into the forests, and keep walking until you see people with guns.

50/50 you'll either be kidnapped for ransom or forced into labour.

Nah, I'm kidding. If Chavez called for the development of an International Brigade, that'd be pretty sweet.

I think all of you here talking about an 'international brigade' are dreaming.
for what cause?
for whose fight?

for Colombia murdering rebels inside Ecuador??? trust me, I understand the grievance on how this was carried out. I am against it and Uribe all the way against him. Yes! BUT how is this progressive for working class people? A war between 3 states pretty much over a guerrilla that has very little popular support? I don't think it will unite the people in the region. specially with the reputation the FARC has with them. Maybe to you guys it sounds cool and like "the revolution is finally here" or this situation can start one? I have no idea. but people here are excited for the wrong reasons. I think.

[Devrim]

I doubt Venezuela needs a bunch of skinny kids or old overweight men,

I didn't volunteer. I think that was the kids.

Devrim

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

WTF?

Needless to say i am confused, where exactly did i critiscise you Comrade Wolfie?

mwhahaahaahhah none understand the comrade Wolfie!

I was agreeing with you, the criticism was directed at Infaam & Abject.

Devrim is mean,

[RedAnarchist]

WTF?

I think he's referring to you being Welsh.

[spartan]

I was agreeing with you, the criticism was directed at Infaam & Abject.

Ah i see no worries then:)


I think he's referring to you being Welsh.

Since when have we shagged sheep?:D

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

I think he's referring to you being Welsh.

correct fellow Lancastrian, you win several of my toe nail clippings, don't go cloning me now,

EDIT:
Since when have we shagged sheep? :)

no smoke without fire, and its what all the people say, well those at my college anyway.

[Orange Revolution]

Funny as fuck! form an International Brigade to intervene in a Cocaine war? FARC are heavily involved in the control of the coke trade, a fact I'm sure Chavez is well aware of, and there will be no War.

Soon as I got enough posts under my belt i'll post a link, but here's a taster...

"The FARC, with some 17,500 members, is active throughout Colombia and headquartered in the south of the country, where it largely governed a region about the size of Switzerland for over 40 years. Its primary mission is to overthrow the state and establish a communist-agrarian state.The FARC is governed by a seven-member secretariat, chaired by its 71-year old original founder, Manuel Marulanda. Some 30 percent of the FARC is female and most are younger than 19.
The FARC finances its operations through kidnapping and ransom, extortion, and narcotics trafficking. It also targets anyone suspected of conspiring with the military and paramilitaries.
According to military analysts, the FARC earns between $250 and $300 million through criminal acts, of which 65 percent comes from the drug trade."


I quite fancy a couple of weeks in the Jungle on the gear though, do you think Hugo would throw in some beers and brasses?

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Funny as fuck! form an International Brigade to intervene in a Cocaine war? FARC are heavily involved in the control of the coke trade, a fact I'm sure Chavez is well aware of, and there will be no War.

According to military analysts, the FARC earns between $250 and $300 million through criminal acts, of which 65 percent comes from the drug trade."

The myth of FARC as drug lords has been debunked in several other threads about this current incident, most notably by a certain Comrade Yonkers.

[Zurdito]

I doubt Venezuela needs a bunch of skinny kids or old overweight men, none of whom have any military training or can speak Spanish to fight for them. If you're so key on getting yourself killed, you might consider joining the FARC-EP or the ELN. Both groups, though, would probably shoot you as being a CIA spy.

stop it please, your romantic idealism is killing me.

[Orange Revolution]

Wolfie, I stand to be corrected, any chance of repeating the links here? or directing me to one?

[metalero]

This is ridiculous. There won't be any war between colombia and venezuela, this would only mean more suffering for workers and peasants, another reason to fuck Venezuela and its progressive movement that might be disenchanted by war, especially over a stagnant guerrilla as FARC. What people in colombia needs is solidarity to raise conscious awareness from first world countries (especially U.S. who is fueling the war and dictating the orders) to stop military aid to Colombia, and pressure to support a coherent peace process with social reforms to end the armed conflict.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

For the threads on FARC-EP (in which the 'drug lords' bullshit is debunked) look in the 'frequent topics of discussion' link pinned here in the politics forum.

[Orange Revolution]

Thanks, I stand corrected and can now go to bed with the comfort that I've learned something... it's 3.15 in the morning where I am!!!

[Raúl Duke]

There are some people here who can speak Spanish...like myself.

But I highly doubt I'll join some international brigade for this.

[The Douche]

There are some people here who can speak Spanish...like myself.

But I highly doubt I'll join some international brigade for this.

There are also some people here with military experience.

I don't think I would be interested in and international brigade in this instance though. Maybe a US invasion, I could see that.

[Faux Real]

There are also some people here with military experience.

I don't think I would be interested in and international brigade in this instance though. Maybe a US invasion, I could see that.
May be the odd wording, but did you mean you would be interested in joining the US forces for an invasion?

Or is it that you'd join an international brigade on the prospect of the US invading? (not that I think this war will happen)

Why aren't there "international brigades" in Iraq? (of the left kind, there are undoubtedly people from around the Arab world going to Iraq to fight the occupying forces but not specifically for revolutionary internationalism)

[Wanted Man]

I have the number for broken sarcasm detectors, do you want it?
Well, I'm not sure how you feel about it, because your opinion seems to change with every other post. Half of the time, it's not even clear what you're saying. Pay more attention in English class, I don't have time to decypher your inane posts.

[Random Precision]

There won't be any International Brigades for this. Very few countries have structures left (namely the Communist Parties and the Comintern) that allowed them to be created for Spain, even if they were called for, which I highly doubt Chavez would do. And Columbia comes nowhere close to being a threat like fascism was in the late thirties.

[spartan]

I dont think that International Brigade type organisations will be set up if war breaks out between Venezuela and Colombia, but perhaps individual leftists will make their way to Venezuela and maybe band together with other leftists once there?

Only if the situation was dire enough for Venezuela though.

[Comerade Ted Grant]

I would love to join! Although I haven't the foggiest idea how to get to Venezuela given the VISA restrictions in times of war.

[BIG BROTHER]

Maybe I would go, but I'm pretty sure there won't be any war.

[chegitz guevara]

You'll be more needed here trying to stop the U.S. war machine from getting involved.

[bayano]

firstly, i bet that if it became bad, venezuela and ecuador might welcome the assistance. but i also bet that leftist militants in other parts of latin america would also rush to the cause.

[BIG BROTHER]

You'll be more needed here trying to stop the U.S. war machine from getting involved.

That would also be true.

[Forward Union]

I know it's lame to keep using this image but it's justso appropriate

http://stuff.orly.ch/img/blog/dont_worry_sir_i_m_from_the_internet.jpg

[Forward Union]

Here's a question. How many of you genuinely, seriously think you will join a revleft international brigade to fight the US...

And if you did think that, why the fuck would you post it publicly? and... oh I don't know where to start. Nevermind, keep going.

[Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures]

Here's a question. How many of you genuinely, seriously think you will join a revleft international brigade to fight the US...

And if you did think that, why the fuck would you post it publicly? and... oh I don't know where to start. Nevermind, keep going.

12232.5 of us

[BIG BROTHER]

I know it's lame to keep using this image but it's justso appropriate

http://stuff.orly.ch/img/blog/dont_worry_sir_i_m_from_the_internet.jpg

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[manic expression]

I know it's lame to keep using this image but it's justso appropriate

http://stuff.orly.ch/img/blog/dont_worry_sir_i_m_from_the_internet.jpg

Says the Zapatista wannabe. :rolleyes: Are you trying to be a hypocrite or are you just being dull?

[BIG BROTHER]

Says the Zapatista wannabe. :rolleyes: Are you trying to be a hypocrite or are you just being dull?

another:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Guerrilla22]

I honestly don't think Ecuador and Venezuela would want a bunch of untrained people from the US and Europe going down there, but you never know.

[jetpen]

I honestly don't think Ecuador and Venezuela would want a bunch of untrained people from the US and Europe going down there, but you never know.
We'd smile at confused Venezuelans from the moment we'd climbed off the plane. "Buenos dios senorita, which way to join your brigade?" It would make for great comedy. Weird Americans, Swedes, scattered anarchists, a motley force prepared to debate against Trotskyism at a moment's notice. The Columbian oligarchy would tremble.

[Forward Union]

Says the Zapatista wannabe. :rolleyes: Are you trying to be a hypocrite or are you just being dull?

Two things. I actually have patrolled (and am going to do so again in may) with zapatistas as opposed to talking about it on Revleft.

And secondly patroling with the zapatistas is very different to forming an international brigade and fighting the US army!

[manic expression]

Two things. I actually have patrolled (and am going to do so again in may) with zapatistas as opposed to talking about it on Revleft.

And secondly patroling with the zapatistas is very different to forming an international brigade and fighting the US army!

So, clearly, you're not against people ACTUALLY doing this, you're just berating people for talking about it. I see. So, if that was the case, where was all that patronizing indignation on this thread?

http://www.revleft.com/vb/volunteering-zaps-t72178/index.html

But no, it's completely consistent to criticize people on this thread and respectfully give information on the other. Completely consistent. :rolleyes:

Nevertheless, some Englishman playing jungle dress-up with Zapatistas is no different from what you're trying so desperately to discredit. Not only are you a hypocite, but you're in complete denial over it.

Let me know how revolutionary you feel while you're getting a sun-tan on your Chiapas holiday.

[Forward Union]

So, clearly, you're not against people ACTUALLY doing this, you're just berating people for talking about it. I see. So, if that was the case, where was all that patronizing indignation on this thread?

I think people talking about forming a revleft international brigade (:laugh:) about a fictional scenario in which they fight the US ARMY is nothing more than teenage mental masturbation, and is totally rediculous/hillarious. This is in the same league as the thread about talking to Fidel and re-invading cuba, because it is in my judgement that people here are clearly not serious about these plans.

Discussion about the practicalities of volontering for the Zapatistas is perfectly understandable and something I can help with as I have first hand experience.

The reality is that you feel that I am in some way claiming a 'speciality' over these matters and using my time with the Zapatistas as political credibility to boost this. I am not. I never mentioned the EZLN, the matter is completely irrelivent here, and the two things are not comparable. Volonteering for the Zapatistas is in no way as dangerous, demanding or as pure fantasy as fighting the US army (as revleft)

Can you grasp that distinction?

[manic expression]

I think people talking about forming a revleft international brigade (:laugh:) about a fictional scenario in which they fight the US ARMY is nothing more than teenage mental masturbation, and is totally rediculous/hillarious. This is in the same league as the thread about talking to Fidel and re-invading cuba, because it is in my judgement that people here are clearly not serious about these plans.

Discussion about the practicalities of volontering for the Zapatistas is perfectly understandable and something I can help with as I have first hand experience.

The reality is that you feel that I am in some way claiming a 'speciality' over these matters and using my time with the Zapatistas as political credibility to boost this. I am not. I never mentioned the EZLN, the matter is completely irrelivent here, and the two things are not comparable. Volonteering for the Zapatistas is in no way as dangerous, demanding or as pure fantasy as fighting the US army (as revleft)

Can you grasp that distinction?

You came in and started making immature insults and criticisms when people were talking about the possibility of volunteering in South America. You, however, have no problem when people are talking about volunteering in Mexico. That is fundamentally inconsistent (too bad I had to illustrate it for you when it was so obvious).

Personally, I don't think this was about fighting the US Army as revleft, at least that's not what I saw. I do think this is mostly meaningless as an idea, but that doesn't make your behavior any less ridiculous, particularly given how you treated the other thread (in my judgment, by the way, most people who talked about going on holiday in Chiapas like you weren't all that serious about it, either).

Can you grasp any of that or do I need to post a silly picture to satirize you?

[Zurdito]

Surely you can see that going to Chiapas is nothing like going to Venezuela to fight in a war against the Colombian army.

Also the comparison with the Spanish civil war is completely false, as that was a case of popular miltiias resisting their own bourgeois state as the result of a civil war which had come about through a working class revolution, whereas this would be a case of going to fight alongside a bourgeois army against another bourgeois army as part of a border dispute between two governments which the population of Venezuela never demanded. I don't even see how people can equate the situations.:confused:

[Forward Union]

You came in and started making immature insults and criticisms when people were talking about the possibility of volunteering in South America. You, however, have no problem when people are talking about volunteering in Mexico. That is fundamentally inconsistent (too bad I had to illustrate it for you when it was so obvious).

One is realistic, the other is fantasy. I don't mock people talking about going to do volonteer work in Cuba or Venezuela or anywhere. I do mock people who talk about forming interational brigades in fantasy scenarios of their own creation, maybe it's fairly de-constructive of me. But I dont think anything constructive could possibly come of this thread.


I do think this is mostly meaningless as an idea, but that doesn't make your behavior any less ridiculous, particularly given how you treated the other thread

So you're issue is my sarcastic reaction to this thread? Personally I thought it added umpf. :lol: