Organized Global Protest

[STOP]

a protest on a massive scale. everyone who is willing to show their cause could join. something where everyone can be apart of a struggle. like a official day where everyone's views here would show where they are that they are not few, but many. show that everyone can do their own thing. it would have to be planned out and set some ideas up but it would be cool.

we can take back what's ours.

[Bright Banana Beard]

Dude, stop sticking with your ideal brain. Get into study and found out that the world will never live on the ideal mind. You can't control what outside you but you can control yourself.

[RedAnarchist]

It sounds like a nice idea, STOP, but to be honest, thats all it can ever be.

[An archist]

1st of may?

[Kropotesta]

at least he's putting ideas forward and I think it's a bloody good one.

[Orange Revolution]

why not start 15th march 2008, all over the world, the 'Global Protest' against the war. you could bring all your other issues with you, I'm sure they wouldn't mind.

from the stopthewar.org website:

Join the global protest - demonstrate 15th march
Assemble 12 noon, Trafalgar Square, London
Assemble 11.30, Blythswood Square, Glasgow.

[STOP]

It sounds like a nice idea, STOP, but to be honest, thats all it can ever be.

That's not how we go about it, that's never how shit gets done. That's just putting it off, if you truly had enough heart it would be easy.

[An archist]

Seriously though, this kind of day already exists, it's the first of may every year.

Also, this year: http://www.wombles.org.uk/article2007121421.php

[RaiseYourVoice]

That's not how we go about it, that's never how shit gets done. That's just putting it off, if you truly had enough heart it would be easy.
no no and no. How about you go join an organisation? I mean there is some days out there as mentioned above. The problem is not lack of dates of ideas, its lack of people, lack of organisation.

About how "easy" it is... did you ever try to organise a demonstration? locally in your town i mean? that is already alot of work... finding the topic, preparing a route, producing what ever you need for it, getting a stage / speaker car, inviting/convincing other organisations, gathering money and most importantly mobilation (incl. flyers, posters, maybe tagging, contacting newspaper, radios etc.)

I have somewhat experience in that (something you are obviously lacking) but i would never say i could organise a statewide, let alone national/international protest.

Apart from organisational questions, your idea seems vague. what is "everyone who wants to show their cause" ? do you just want a diverce mass mobilation protest? there is enough of those around were everyone carries there own flags / ideas. And what do you mean by "everyone can do their own thing" ?

For a protest to be usefull you need a good concept of what you want to achieve, for example do you just want to show that there is many people? do you want to pressure politicians to something? do you want to block ade something? Just to give you an example, the Anti-G8 proetests in germany, including massive demonstraions and blockades took more then 2 years to organise.

most important of all, this is the wrong place. this forum might be nice to exchange ideas, but its the totally wrong place to organise something.

[STOP]

[quote=RaiseYourVoice;1090251]no no and no. How about you go join an organisation? I mean there is some days out there as mentioned above. The problem is not lack of dates of ideas, its lack of people, lack of organisation.

About how "easy" it is... did you ever try to organise a demonstration? locally in your town i mean? that is already alot of work... finding the topic, preparing a route, producing what ever you need for it, getting a stage / speaker car, inviting/convincing other organisations, gathering money and most importantly mobilation (incl. flyers, posters, maybe tagging, contacting newspaper, radios etc.)

I have somewhat experience in that (something you are obviously lacking) but i would never say i could organise a statewide, let alone national/international protest.

Apart from organisational questions, your idea seems vague. what is "everyone who wants to show their cause" ? do you just want a diverce mass mobilation protest? there is enough of those around were everyone carries there own flags / ideas. And what do you mean by "everyone can do their own thing" ?

For a protest to be usefull you need a good concept of what you want to achieve, for example do you just want to show that there is many people? do you want to pressure politicians to something? do you want to block ade something? Just to give you an example, the Anti-G8 proetests in germany, including massive demonstraions and blockades took more then 2 years to organise.
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I understand what you're getting at. but this is this. It's not a single person. It's a group, a group in which they will all discuss and come up with a final idea. That final idea then will be sent to the streets, the words, posters, propaganda. We set a certain date for example, and from now til then- our groups will break down and spread the word as much needed. Internet, email, blogs, chat rooms, everything, do things in your hometown, local, spread the word, and until the day comes it will be everywhere. But we need to start with a group.

The Founding "Fathers" so be it is what we need. The grounds for all to come. In this discussion we'd need people to start saying they would truly be willing to try this, and contacting others and setting up a new thread, where the ideas will take shape.

I for 1 am in.

[RaiseYourVoice]

Uhm... There are already enough groups out there that are set on certain ideas. depending on where you live i am sure someone on this forum can tell you one.
If you really want to do something, then organize. there is really no need for more organisations out there. then when you have some experience in propaganda, organisation, alliance work etc. you can of course push for better inernational contacts, those are good and needed. but setting up an organisation with people from an internet forum who have totally different short- and mid-term goals will lead to nothing

[STOP]

Uhm... There are already enough groups out there that are set on certain ideas. depending on where you live i am sure someone on this forum can tell you one.
If you really want to do something, then organize. there is really no need for more organisations out there. then when you have some experience in propaganda, organisation, alliance work etc. you can of course push for better inernational contacts, those are good and needed. but setting up an organisation with people from an internet forum who have totally different short- and mid-term goals will lead to nothing

yea, if no one is willing to go straight for the gold then why are people even discussing on this forum, if no one plans on actually doing anything this might as well be a video game, because it seems no one is truly wanting to stand and defend a cause, this is all bullshit. No one has ever gotten anywhere by saying it's impossible or there already groups, they obviously aren't doing anything like this. and no one is willing. everyone is bullshit here.

[RaiseYourVoice]

yea, if no one is willing to go straight for the gold then why are people even discussing on this forum, if no one plans on actually doing anything this might as well be a video game, because it seems no one is truly wanting to stand and defend a cause, this is all bullshit. No one has ever gotten anywhere by saying it's impossible or there already groups, they obviously aren't doing anything like this. and no one is willing. everyone is bullshit here.

I dont know about the others here, but i am active, i organize protests, i wake up before work just to be able to distribute flyers. As do many people i know. And what the hell is "straight for the gold" do you really think one massive protest would change the world? wake up dude. we had HUGE anti-war demonstrations around the world just a few years ago. its about coninues work in workplaces, schools, your neighbouthood etc. that changes things. And if you are doing more then what you accuse people here of, tell me what organisation are you active in? what are you doing to change?

If you arent willing to accept reality and organise, STOP trolling around please, people who are really active have more important things to do, then trying to explain something to an idealistic kid who doesnt even try to listen

[AGITprop]

yea, if no one is willing to go straight for the gold then why are people even discussing on this forum, if no one plans on actually doing anything this might as well be a video game, because it seems no one is truly wanting to stand and defend a cause, this is all bullshit. No one has ever gotten anywhere by saying it's impossible or there already groups, they obviously aren't doing anything like this. and no one is willing. everyone is bullshit here.


Starting a protest does not accomplish anything. There are ways of attaining goals. We have to attack where it hurts. There are people ot there slowly but surely building movements. It takes years. It would be impossible to convince the world to go to an anti-capitalist protest. If we could accomplish that, might as well ask them to start he revolution. Building a movement is painstakingly slow and involve many steps. Yu cant just throw yourself out there.

My best advice to you is to continue earning. Join a leftist group in your city if there are any. If not, heres a small project; start your own leftist activist group. Idealizing over a worldwide protest is not the way to go.

[A_Ciarra]

RaiseYourVoice, sorry dude but you are focusing to much on YOUR ideals, YOUR views, YOUR being right... What about some co-operation, democracy and/or letting others form their opinions and ideals without this nonsense? A touch more solidarity?

This thread could have been good.:bored:
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[RaiseYourVoice]

RaiseYourVoice, sorry dude but you are focusing to much on YOUR ideals, YOUR views, YOUR being right... What about some co-operation, democracy and/or letting others form their opinions and ideals without this nonsense? A touch more solidarity?

This thread could have been good.:bored:
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No, i respect other ways of active politics. Like anarchist groups, antifa groups etc. sure people can find own ways to contribute to struggle, but this has nothing to do with that. This person obviously doesnt know how real political work works. Solidarity is something i have for people who fight by my side, not for people who spam internet forums simply cuz they call themselves leftist. For example TAT, i bet we dont agree much on goals and organisation, but my impression is he is actively doing something and not just an internet warrior.

If your read my posts, you could have seen that first i just gave him advice what to do, he was the one who accused everyone of not doing something, because they didnt agree with his idea.

And no this thread could not have been good. why not? because

a) You dont start movements in internet forums
b) This person is vague, cannot explain how exactly to do things, because he never did organise any protest and doesnt know how to
c) STOP is idealist about how a big protest alone would achieve anything.

Thats just not how the world works, and everybody who is active in the revolutionary left knows that. Thats why i gave him the best advice there is: join a local organisation.
If i had wanted to be dogmatic i could have told him about how only a revolutionary communist party is the solution and why i dont just want a struggle with "everyone" but a struggle by and mainly for the working class. but dogmatism is boring

[A_Ciarra]

Again you are VERY good at knowing ALL - having a monopoly on all that is correct, sound, right and true. It doesn't seem you want to make room for any other thought but your own, or those that will follow.

WHERE have I seen these problems before and in what forms do they surface?

I'll leave it at that since I don't much like humiliation. I just can't stand tyranny either. Dude you NEED to let others speak their mind, allow for difference, forget about being right, validate and co-operate - OR perish from a lack of democracy and mutual aid.

We live in a society, we (A) are trying to do away with dictatorships, not trying to form new ones.

Sorry I've been a pain in the ass here --- but I figure some pain now is better than where that attitude is taking ya. Peace

[RaiseYourVoice]

Again you are VERY good at knowing ALL - having a monopoly on all that is correct, sound, right and true. It doesn't seem you want to make room for any other thought but your own, or those that will follow.I very well accept different forms of protest, as long as its realistic. I have experience in organising and i try to pass that on to people, if they want to keep living in their own world though its np.


Dude you NEED to let others speak their mind, allow for difference, forget about being right, validate and co-operate - OR perish from a lack of democracy and mutual aid.How did i not let him speak his mind? Democracy means critisism, means conflict, means discussion. If he cant refute my points, how is that my problem? You tell me too that i HAVE to accept his view, i HAVE to co-operate else i will perish. Thereby you are voicing your opinion just as i voiced mine when STOP was being totally unrealistic.


We live in a society, we (A) are trying to do away with dictatorships, not trying to form new ones. Dictatorships? let me laugh a bit. i didnt censor him, i didnt even tell him to shut up. If your democracy means letting someone talk shit without critising him, its not my democracy.


Sorry I've been a pain in the ass here --- but I figure some pain now is better than where that attitude is taking yaYou should for once think about where STOP's attitude was taking him.

1) He made up unrealistic ideas of protest in his mind
2) He accused others of doing nothing when they didnt want to follow his idea
3) He seems to be only active on an internet forum

So we have someone that is probably rather young to politics, wants to do something, has no idea how things work, but believes he knows THE SOLUTION. Either i leave him that illusion and let him loose interesst in politics or end up in OI. Or i can tell him to STOP and join a local organisation. He doesnt even have to listen to me, but as long as he realizes that its not the internet that starts revolutions but real life work, its a succes