Finale

[Forever capitalism]

Well i am writing this to say that i will stop posting here as people have made it no longer pleasing or attractive for me to post in a forum that includes abuse, insults and threats. The fact that this forum and others in the site were started up in order for people of all ideologies and opinions to be able to debate contradicts the current stance of many. People who do not take difference of opinion lightly and respond with abuse are not people who i associate with. In the inception it was a good forum of debate however certain people have made sure that they present themselves as uneducated, arrogant and belligerent in order to defame another.
Capitalists friends thanks so much for contributing to what was a great debate and supporting me. Communists i will satisfied that you and the rest of the world will never see another revolution that oppresses and murders innocent people again. You are however free to read your marx for beginners books and try to grasp topics such as economics and political philosophy, even if you are 14 or learnt about communism through playing computer games.
Malte's inability to take charge against his fellow communists showed his feebleness and weakness. I found it amusing how he banned capitalists and confined us into a forum that saw 80 times the communits against us but did not want to pursue the curbing of swearing and abuse that i had requested because that would effect solely his friends.
Concluding i will anticipate all the "communists" who respond to this by abusing me, further buttressing my point. I doubt you can hold out.
This is the last thing i have to say on such a issue and on all issues that are addressed in this forum.
Goodbye

[Xvall]

People tend to disrespect and insult people who have mass murderurs as their avatars.

- Drake Dracoli

[Michael De Panama]

God damn it. I spent my own free time talking to you. And when you had no further arguments, because I had won, you went off and said that I was abusing you. How childish. Grow up.

[Fires of History]

If you think Amerikkka will last forever, you are a fool.

All empires fall.

Too bad you believe in the one about to fall.

Hope you enjoy working for minimum wage. If you do, then maybe you prove us wrong.

Burn The Fucking Useless Amerilkkkan Flag, BURN IT!
Trance

P.S. Unless of course you are priviledged rich kid without a need to work minimum wage, in which case, OF COURSE you're a capitali$t fucking pig. Fuck you.

[Nateddi]

FC,
You now have an excuse to completely leave the board. So go off in grace instead of mysteriously dissapearing.

As for computer games:
I don't say that I learned from a computer game, but people like Moskitto may. This is OK. In AmeriKKKa, communism or even socialism is not taught as a possible political opinion someone might have. It is supressed and it is supressed because of the need to keep us from falling. And you know that. Everyone on this board learned about communism indirectly. Although I don't say it, my re-growing interest in the Soviet empire led me to research communism. After that, I hated the soviet empire while becoming a marxist. Everyone has their way. You can thank the man in your avatar for that.

Thank you.

(Edited by Nateddi at 11:45 am on Mar. 25, 2002)

[Rommel]

A shame to see you leave, the loss of a great member. Maybe thanx to members like F o H, that don't think before they post. Bye man, hope to see you around ...

[guerrillaradio]

Rommel - you've been here all of two days and already you can tell us who are the great members?? Jesus...

I bet FC will read this so I'll reply: you sicken me. This is the kinda person capitalism makes you: arrogant, snobby, self-righteous, pretentious, smug and uncaring. I don't miss you one little bit and I really hope that you are going as all you do is make stupid claims and stamp your foot like a 5yrold girl whenever anyone replies, screaming "Mummy!!! He said a rude word!!" There's a real fucking world out there y'know, where people use nasty words. Get used to it...

[Nateddi]

FC was is infact the most annyoing cappie on the board. Moreso than IP, C, or RL. FC reminds me a lot of Bill O'Reilly from the way he makes his arguments. Rommel, you don't know anything about him, and you blame his leaving on a comment from a socialist. If a socialist left from a cappie or nazi board it would not be because of the home members, but because he is a "P*ssy".

[Imperial Power]

Fires of History what's gotten up your ass? You've taken on a pretty beligerent attitude these days. True empires do fall but lets think. Rome 3,000 years. Egypt 3,000 years. Ancient China 5,000 years. America just turned 225 years I say we have some time left. If you think socialism would suddenly change America take a look at 1980 French politics. Under Mitterand all he did was lead the country to inflation with socilist policies.

[Supermodel]

Hey leave us pussies out of it!!!

Nateddi I agree wholeheartedly with your comments about politics not being taught in schools. God forbid kids should even bring the subject up in class. I have learned so much from this site and it doesn't require chatting to read and take recommendations on what to read etc.

I've found cappies and lefties alike to have potty mouths, you should all wash your virtual mouths out with virtual soap this instant.......

[Moskitto]

I don't say that I learned from a computer game, but people like Moskitto may.

Hey. It's not my fault I first saw communism on a computer game. If I refused to agree with things i found out on computer games then I wouldn't like democracy, persians, slimey things, robots, gorillas, planes, helicopters, paratroopers, dogs, telephones, mice, brooms.

If i'm a nerd who reads manuals all the time then it isn't that much of an inpossibility that if there is a brief description of communism in a computer game manual then I would come across it and read it. And you know, I might just take interest in it.

[peaccenicked]

Forever capitalism goes away.
He might return another day.
He is not welcome this he knows.
No one cares whither he comes or goes.

Take the hint Imperial power.
It might take a whole long hour
how long does it take for capis to come and fade?
A month, a year, a whole decade.

"lillies that fester smell far worse than weeds''
William Shakespeare.
What chance does a capi weed have of becoming a lily?

[Imperial Power]

cute

[Rommel]

Pd, nice are you a poem writer for proffesion or what, and why do you want that I P leave, if he leaves with who will you discuss about soc vs cap?

[peaccenicked]

From Maltes sticky.
"This Community is open to all leftists. Right-wingers are not welcome,"
Now do you get the message!
Be polite go away .
There is nothing pleasant about this forum. You guys are nauseating. You teach us nothing but your own narrow mindedness. All I do is rip your inane arguments apart but that is not for you that is for us.
bye

[PunkRawker677]

5 cheers for peace!!

[Imperial Power]

Very impressive, it looks like Peace won. Are arguments can't be to insane though considering it is reality.

[Moskitto]

I'm afraid I would have to disagree with peace after reading Malte's sticky message. I will not however reveal why I disagree.

[Thich Quang Duc]

One Capitalist flees for his life, many more to go...

[Nateddi]

Welcome to the board.

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from Imperial Power on 7:00 pm on Mar. 25, 2002
Fires of History what's gotten up your ass? You've taken on a pretty beligerent attitude these days. True empires do fall but lets think. Rome 3,000 years. Egypt 3,000 years. Ancient China 5,000 years. America just turned 225 years I say we have some time left. If you think socialism would suddenly change America take a look at 1980 French politics. Under Mitterand all he did was lead the country to inflation with socilist policies.


Things move a lot faster nowadays than the fucking Roman age. Society is speeding up faster and faster as the years go by. Communication is a lot more easy. Technology grows more and more each year.

We will all see the fall of America, the great sequel to the Roman Empire, within our lifetimes. I promise you.

[Imperial Power]

I'll die fighting before I see the fall of America and so will about 200 million other Americans. Within our life times you will only see America get stronger and stronger. Our influence has grown more powerful in the middle east then it ever was. Russia is no longer a threat and China is collapsing in on itself. If you'll see anything gone in your lifetime it will be the remainder of the communist countries on this earth.

(Edited by Imperial Power at 3:32 pm on Mar. 26, 2002)

[PunkRawker677]

The peak of imperialistic Europe lasted only 200 years.. because of how fast technology and industrialization is going these days. So your claim about the Roman empire, etc. is just blatantly stupid. You cant compare a 21st century empire to one as old as the Roman Empire, or the Chinese and Mongolian empires. Its futile.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Imperial Power on 3:28 pm on Mar. 26, 2002
I'll die fighting before I see the fall of America and so will about 200 million other Americans. Within our life times you will only see America get stronger and stronger. Our influence has grown more powerful in the middle east then it ever was. Russia is no longer a threat and China is collapsing in on itself. If you'll see anything gone in your lifetime it will be the remainder of the communist countries on this earth.

(Edited by Imperial Power at 3:32 pm on Mar. 26, 2002)


my God, you have had so much patriotic bullshit shoved down your throat its coming out your ass.

>>>Our influence has grown more powerful in the middle east then it ever was. <<<<

You see no problem with America interfering in other countries buisness. What the hell is wrong with you? America isn't the savior of the world. Why do you think the WTC was destroyed? Because we try and influence to much in the middle east. Your right the US will getstronger and stronger until every nation gets fed up with our bullshit and bombs the hell out of this Blemish you call a country. I wihs, I wish I could see the day when the US just pushes the buttons of the world to far. Stop living in your American fantasy land. THis country is evil, and you know it. Why else would this country bomb children and civilians? Why else would we try and make our selves look good by playing the worlds savior to our own benifeit?

[Fires of History]

Quote: from Imperial Power on 7:00 pm on Mar. 25, 2002
Fires of History what's gotten up your ass? You've taken on a pretty beligerent attitude these days. True empires do fall but lets think. Rome 3,000 years. Egypt 3,000 years. Ancient China 5,000 years. America just turned 225 years I say we have some time left. If you think socialism would suddenly change America take a look at 1980 French politics. Under Mitterand all he did was lead the country to inflation with socilist policies.


Imperial *****,

Thanks to technology, things move a bit faster than they used to...

[Fires of History]

Quote: from Imperial Power on 3:28 pm on Mar. 26, 2002
I'll die fighting before I see the fall of America and so will about 200 million other Americans. Within our life times you will only see America get stronger and stronger. Our influence has grown more powerful in the middle east then it ever was. Russia is no longer a threat and China is collapsing in on itself. If you'll see anything gone in your lifetime it will be the remainder of the communist countries on this earth.

(Edited by Imperial Power at 3:32 pm on Mar. 26, 2002)


You would die for your pathetic country? Owned by elitists? You would die to defend McDonalds, Microsoft, and Nike? Why do you think Amerikka is anything more that that? You must live in quite some comfort then.

Also, wrong, wrong, wrong. Once China fully converts to more of a full market economy, bye bye Amerikkka. Might as well as start learning Mandarin now.

But the U$, because they are a bunch of war mongering fucks, will start a war with China well before that, using some other excuse.

Red China is rising. Get used to it. Soon, at least within the next 50-150 years, China will be the superpower, and Amerikkka will finally be the country full of people working in sweat shops. Then you'll know what it's like.

You'll see,
Trance

[Nateddi]

IP the rapid growth in science and technology which only becomes avaliable to the rich will only influence class war even stronger. If the world stays capitalist, the rich will disinigrate the poor. New weapons will also be developed, and the capitalist rage will infact have somebody, very likely within your lifetime, IP, destroy the whole world.

Amerika is an empire, and you know that. All evil empires fall, and so will this one.

[HardcoreCommie]

Quote: from Fires of History on 10:07 am on Mar. 27, 2002

Quote: from Imperial Power on 3:28 pm on Mar. 26, 2002
I'll die fighting before I see the fall of America and so will about 200 million other Americans. Within our life times you will only see America get stronger and stronger. Our influence has grown more powerful in the middle east then it ever was. Russia is no longer a threat and China is collapsing in on itself. If you'll see anything gone in your lifetime it will be the remainder of the communist countries on this earth.

(Edited by Imperial Power at 3:32 pm on Mar. 26, 2002)


You would die for your pathetic country? Owned by elitists? You would die to defend McDonalds, Microsoft, and Nike? Why do you think Amerikka is anything more that that? You must live in quite some comfort then.

Also, wrong, wrong, wrong. Once China fully converts to more of a full market economy, bye bye Amerikkka. Might as well as start learning Mandarin now.

But the U$, because they are a bunch of war mongering fucks, will start a war with China well before that, using some other excuse.

Red China is rising. Get used to it. Soon, at least within the next 50-150 years, China will be the superpower, and Amerikkka will finally be the country full of people working in sweat shops. Then you'll know what it's like.

You'll see,
Trance



So once "red china" becomes capitalist, then bye bye capitalists?

[Nateddi]

China is already fascist / capitalist. They are one of the biggest capitalist forces in the world, and I believe that they will put down the red flag and become a south-korean style republic.

And Hardcore Commie, every single post opposes your forum name, so re-register as something else.

[Imperial Power]

Fires of Bull Shit how pathetic you have become. Speculating like an upset child. It seems you conviently failed to respond to France's experiments with socialism in the modern world. Your main problem is you dont understand or see the big picture. What would their be without America? A dark age if history has taught us anything. Think of the power struggle. You are very selective in what facts you consider. Finally do you understand that it is not possible for America to fall? No country has the military capability to take on the US.

[Sasafrás]

Well, you know, I hate to say it.. No, in fact, I don't hate to say it. Although I am in no way pro-America and I'm no nationalist, I'd have to say that I also think it is nearly impossible for the United States of America to fall...

Fires of History, you KNOW I love you, honey, but you seem to have a lot of misplaced hatred & anger. I think you shouldn't be that way towards the entire nation (that is if you are), but just the government. If anything, you should hope to see a REVOLUTION in the U.S., not its fall. The only ones who 'deserve' to be 'punished' are those in power and those who condone the opression..

And, Imperial Power, you know I love you too, right? (I like you a lot more than the other right-wingers on here) Well, I don't think that there would be a 'dark age' without America... It's not that important...

[Sasafrás]

It's not like every other nation is dependent on the United States. Believe it or not, Imperial Power, many other nations are actually self-sufficient.

[PunkRawker677]

nearly impossible? almost definite.. when, no one can be sure... but it WILL fall.. how, no one can be sure.. but it WILL fall..

[Imperial Power]

I'm sick of you closet anti-Americans. Why don't you come over here instead of playing on the computer say your B.S. publically. If you really believe it leave the coffee house intellectual table and go into action. Try to start your revolution. You'll see some American spirit I gurantee you.

[reagan lives]

To be absolutely fair, IP, I think many of our comrades here were booted from the coffee house intellectual tables a long time ago.

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from Imperial Power on 1:40 am on Mar. 28, 2002
I'm sick of you closet anti-Americans. Why don't you come over here instead of playing on the computer say your B.S. publically. If you really believe it leave the coffee house intellectual table and go into action. Try to start your revolution. You'll see some American spirit I gurantee you.
Thank you, David Horowitz. Nice of you to remove your lips from Ann Coulter's ass long enough to say something to us lowly socialists.

While the American system is definitely flawed and corrupt in many, many ways, I have never called for the overthrow of the American government. Very few people on this board have. Actually, since I've worked for lots of local campaigns and I've voted every single time I got the chance to, I'm more American than most. You won't see me flying an American flag any time soon because of what that flag has come to represent, but I also don't hang one upside down. I was born and raised in America by one parent whose ancestors had been here for longer than most people's, and another whose parents were first-generation immigrants who ran to America to escape, repectively, America's worst enemy and America's greatest ally during World War II.

Being an American means being idealistic. It means never saying, "Well, it's better here than in most places, so I guess I should take what I can get." It means taking advantage of freedoms, not just sitting around making needlepoints with slogans that praise them. It means having opinions and telling everyone about them. For example, in keeping with the American tradition of acting on my political convictions instead of just sitting around and telling my friends about them, I absolutely refuse to buy anything made in a sweatshop. In keeping with the American principle handed down from the Founding Fathers of being adamantly anti-imperialism, I write letters to my elected representatives and attend protests to end expansion of political influence in the name of greed. I'm actually more American than most flag-wavers who can't wait for the Fourth of July.

[Sasafrás]

Quote: from Imperial Power on 6:40 am on Mar. 28, 2002
I'm sick of you closet anti-Americans. Why don't you come over here instead of playing on the computer say your B.S. publically. If you really believe it leave the coffee house intellectual table and go into action. Try to start your revolution. You'll see some American spirit I gurantee you.Wait.. Who are you talking about?

[Imperial Power]

The closet anti-Americans know who they are Rainbow. I will deny You I was not refering to you, but I still think you should fly the American flag.

[Sasafrás]

So, you weren't referring to me, then, IP?

All right.. Anyway, it's Rainbeaux (The 'French' way)

haha!

[Moskitto]

The closet anti-Americans know who they are Rainbow. I will deny You I was not refering to you, but I still think you should fly the American flag.

My really right-wing Brother bought a British flag and now he drapes it down one side of his bed (it's one of those you climb up into.)

I don't know about anyone other Brits here, but I hate the whole concept of Britishness, I mean what have we ever done? go around the world setting up whole countries as single-export countries to produce consumer goods and keep them so poor they can't change themselves. I consider myself English. And we've done a whole lot more (beat off the Spanish Armada, Made the Yew Tree longbow the most deadly weapon till the 17th century)

[I Will Deny You]

Imperial Power, I don't fly the flag and I doubt I ever will. I think it's better to actually do what the flag was meant to symbolize (speaking out, fighting for positive change, challenging forces of imperialism, participating in the democratic process and preserving democracy) than to simply fly the flag. So here's my question for you: Who's better--Someone who flies the flag and celebrates the Fourth of July but only votes in Presidential elections (if at all), never writes to their elected representatives, never joins protests, never gives money to political organizations and doesn't read any political publications or someone who doesn't fly the flag but keeps herself informed about what the government is actually doing and gives her input as a citizen, voter and soon-to-be employee of the government? I'd really like to know your preference.


Quote: from Moskitto on 4:17 pm on Mar. 28, 2002
I mean what have we ever done?Ever heard of The Beatles? For a country with so little diversity (compared to America, at least) it's very impressive that you produced the greatest rock band of all time.

[Moskitto]

hmmm, yeah, i suppose there's the Beatles.

[Imperial Power]

I will deny you, would you marry someone, be in love with them, and enjoy it but never wear a wedding ring? Why someone who would particiapte as you list and not fly the flag is strange. You are doing all things America has to be celebrated yet you still feel an anger towards the country.

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from Imperial Power on 4:21 pm on Mar. 29, 2002
I will deny you, would you marry someone, be in love with them, and enjoy it but never wear a wedding ring?
Well, I guess that all depends on whether or not this hypothetical wedding ring was made in a sweatshop by a child working fifteen hours a day for five cents in horrible conditions, in a country that had been taken over by the neo-liberals after an elected socialist leader was replaced by a vicious yet US-friendly dictator during the Cold War.

Quote: from Imperial Power on 4:21 pm on Mar. 29, 2002
Why someone who would particiapte as you list and not fly the flag is strange. You are doing all things America has to be celebrated yet you still feel an anger towards the country. I do not feel an anger toward the country itself. I do, however, feel an intense anger towards this country's corrupt government, which I am trying to reform, and this country's generally idiotic citizenry. The American flag does not just represent Lindsay voting each November, or Lindsay buying the latest issue of Mother Jones. It also represents the sale of weapons to Israel, bases in the dictator-run, oil-rich Saudi Arabia and sanctions against Iraq and Cuba. Not too long ago, it represented Pinochet, Hussein and HUAC. While I am happy about the positive things that this flag represents, I will not fly it until the negative things, while not completely curable by even the most idealistic standards, are at least addressed.

Imperial Power, the day I start supporting theocratic monarchies so that housewives can run SUVs, US troops in the Philippines and the clumping-togther of Iraq, its mortal enemy Iran and (the mini-China) North Korea is the day that I will wave the flag. Until then, I'll use it to patch my pants, if at all.

[deimos]

@IP: I think you should make a difference between empires like the chinese, the ancient rome and empires like the u.k. or the united states!AS others said it before the technology allows us to send messages within seconds all over the world.We need 10 ours to come from europe to india.The romans didn't come close to india.Only one time a roman came to sri lanka!Everything is faster this times.And why should china collapse?China had a very high economic growth(11%).(economic growht?) Also russia had 8%.And why is someone complaining the the uk had never done something?Look at austria!The famoust person who comes from this tiny state full of fascists is A. Hitler!

(Edited by deimos at 4:18 pm on Mar. 30, 2002)

[James]

I Will Deny You; thank you very much for your posts. I learnt more from you than i have all my life about the U$. IP, you should take notes. She is a true american, not an ameri****...

[PunkRawker677]

excellent post IWDY.. james is so right.. your amazing!